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Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

Mj saw the best in everyone.im sure he thought when it came to his kids his mother would do the right thing.sadly she didnt. nothings changed and nothing learned
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

MariAndMichael said:
It was her way of expressing. But he did not out of malice.
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I'm not talking about malice. I'm talking about education, and common sense. I'm talking about insulting the physical appearance of your dead son ON TV, when you KNOW, as his mother, he was a shy, private man, and extremely sensitive about what he looked like. When you KNOW how much he suffered about stupid jokes made about his face and color all his life.

I dont understand why ask fans to show respect, and find so many excuses for the family blatant lack of respect TO MICHAEL. Beats me.
 
MariAndMichael said:
It was her way of expressing. But he did not out of malice.
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Theres an excuse for everything lol dont tell me it was said with L.O.V.E shame she never had the same love for her dead beat wifebeating other sons.shhhh we dont mention that cause we are all so tight nit
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

MariAndMichael said:
And she wept while talking about all this ...

Katherine does not advocate the method of Joe. It just does not want to feed grievances.
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When it comes to KJ this is a very grey area for me, as a mother I feel her pain, but I do not respect many of her actions and choices. If she didn't want to advocate Joe then why say 'Oh Joe you might as well just say it', 'it's the way black people raise their children'.
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

Again, I never said she didnt suffer when Michael passed. I also never said she didnt love him.

However, talking about that kind of issue on TV (again), is totally inappropriate IMO, and the comparison WAS insulting. As a mother, I would have defended my kid.
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

MariAndMichael said:
Because Joe is a rustic man. It's no good you want to argue with him. And is old. Now even worse.
Over time we learn to accept, respect because they are part of our family.
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She didn't have to say anything at all the question wasn't directed at her.
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

MariAndMichael said:
Over time we learn to accept, respect because they are part of our family.
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NO. There are people in my own family who are a**holes, I dont care if we share DNA, I want nothing to do with them. My dad behaved like a j**k most of my childhood, pretty much like Joe actually, and I had no respect for him. Just plain fear. There's NO excuse to be that way. I dont care about age, generation, education, whatever.
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

It's a matter of interpretation (feeling KJ's words not meant maliciously), i felt KJ's comments on the plastic surgery on oprah were indefensible. We all know she would never have made those comments whilst he was alive. For a man so ridiculed and maligned by the media, for a mother to feed into that media was for me shocking.
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

MariAndMichael said:
And even if I disagreed with his way of being Joe, Michael respected.
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Unless Michael told you in confidence how he truly felt about the way he was raised, I believe you cant say he respected or forgave anyone. And that's not even the point to me. Again, I dont have to agree with Michael. Maybe he forgave Jermaine's song. I sure didnt. MAybe he forgave Latoya's accusations. I will never. But if I can say the way I feel, I wont pretend to know how HE felt.
He left his dad totally out of his will though...
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

MariAndMichael, you should listen to the Glenda tapes.
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

MariAndMichael said:
because our mothers want our good.
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No. I work as a teacher, and each year I have students whose parents are just plain disgusting. Having a kid is easy, being a parent is much harder. And a LOT of people I know are failing at it. Being a mother doesnt mean you care about your kid, doesnt mean you're respectable, doesnt mean you want your kids' good. It just means you had sex at one point. Then the real work starts.

KJ was not a saint because she was a mother. She certainly loved Michael, but she's making terrible decisions, whether they're about the kids or about her son.
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

MariAndMichael said:
Surely she should have rebuked him yes, because our mothers want our good.
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You bet if i had been his mother/sister i would have been trying to understand MJ's need for plastic surgery and trying to stop it. He didn't need it. But obviously something had happened to him to make him feel so unattractive, and we know that joe -and his brothers don't forget - teased him continuously, 'big nose', 'liver lips', not ideal if you're hypersensitive and so isolated like MJ was. It was the fact this rebuke was in public, on tv, broadcast to the world. Why can't some things regarding MJ remain personal within that family instead of being used in interviews/books etc.
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

MariAndMichael said:
There is no terrible decision on the part of Katherine in relation to Michael's children.
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I believe using them to get money was a great move? Leaving a kid on twitter without any supervision is great? Including them in contracts to, once more, get cash is good? Having them sign belts to sell them is amazing? SERIOUSLY??
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

@MariAndMichael Can I ask you if you ever saw Michael use his children to promote merchandise, make money or use them as pawns?
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

MariAndMichael said:
Children are supervised yes. And certainly if there is a real danger does not lack friends, uncles to alert them.
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No they are not. Paris is sharing her life online, being stalked by paps and pervs, not to mention haters. She knows less about the dangers of the internet than any of my 4 graders. The only "supervision" she got is auntie Latoya encouraging her.
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

@MariAndMichael I would like to know if you ever met Michael? And if you ever talked to him about such deep things as his thoughts about his family and mother. Have you ever met Katherine? You seem to be inside their heads.
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

MariAndMichael said:
They are not being used.
If you refer to the pictures of Paris with the scent of his grandfather.
You may not like the perfume, but she certainly wanted to show the scent of his grandfather.
Katherine commented on You have taken your book to Gary, but certainly the fans would ask.
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With respect that's not what I asked.
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

MariAndMichael said:
They are not being used.
If you refer to the pictures of Paris with the scent of his grandfather.
You may not like the perfume, but she certainly wanted to show the scent of his grandfather.
Katherine commented on You have taken your book to Gary, but certainly the fans would ask.
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They have been, and they still are. The perfume pic is just the latest of a very long list. And that perfume is just a way for Joe to make money of his dead son's name, money that should go to the Estate, owner of Michael's name, likeness and assets. That Estate is the kids'. So basically Joe is stealing from his grand kids.

Whatever your opinion, which I respect, you seem to have missed a lot of information about what has been going on.
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

MariAndMichael said:
Paris is a normal teenager.
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Yes, and every day normal teenagers discover how dangerous the internet is, TOO LATE. That's why she would need adult supervision. No excuse for that. Her account is already followed by the media. That's what you call a normal teenager??
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

MariAndMichael said:
She is being supervised by an adult.
Teenagers like to use the internet. Mainly social networks. Paris does not like to hide, the way it is.
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Well then that "adult" is doing one hell of a bad job. It doesnt matter what Paris likes to do or not, but what is reasonable for a 13 year old. Either you act like a caring parent protecting their kids, or you dont have any.
 
MariAndMichael;3479359 said:
Yes, I know Michael.
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If you spent a lot of time with him and he confide private things with you, you wouldn´t state what you state here now. No one here says he didn´t love his mother, he did, very much. But even your mother can disappoint you at times, and Michael´s mother did disappointed him, but he doesn´t love her less because of that. You should know this if you know him.

And he wouldn´t approve anything of what is going on with the kids, he had plans how things would move forward with them, and this is not what he had in mind. Not the last time he spoke about the future with me.
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

Hmmm teenagers like to do a lot of things, doesn't mean they should or that its good for them
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

MariAndMichael said:
Paris is a normal teenager.
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Unfortunately she's not. She's the daughter of the biggest -and (for reasons outside his control) most controversial superstar of his generation. The fact she is on a public network defending her father against charges of child m*lestation at the age of 13 is beyond my comprehension. What on earth have the family told her, that its just jellus haterz on the internet? No, MJ faced incredibly serious allegations which eventually resulted in one of the most expensive and publicised crimianal trials in US history. Its an incredibly complex legal story full of media bias and greed, and the arguments that support his vindication are i would suggest beyond a 13 yr old girl. She should be protected (at least in public) from having to wade in and defend her father from this, and wait until she is an adult and has a better grasp of the issue.
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

Well whoever is supervising her is doing a very bad job. IMO
 
MariAndMichael;3479371 said:
We always have plans for our children. But bear in mind that they grow and has his own desires and aspirations.
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*sigh* You really didn´t answer my post.. and the plans included himself and his guidance.
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

MariAndMichael said:
Yes, I know Michael.
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That really is very cool, and it sounds like you know Paris and Katherine as well, I think we should end this discussion now as we are hijacking the thread, it would be great if MariAndMichael would this discussion and share with us where she met Michael.
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

MariAndMichael said:
Unfortunately I still can not reveal.
It is not a discussion. Only want to stop attacking the family of Michael. Especially the mother Katherine because I love her very much.
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That's nice and all, but that hardly going to stop us from forming an opinion. Actions speak louder than words and I learned all I need about Mrs. Jackson without needed a in-between. Just because she was the lesser of evils in a very small pool of trustworthy people doesn't mean she wins mother of the year. Especially when she's so willing to talk about her dead son's problems, but underscore problems with her other children.
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

@MariAndMichael, Fair enough, hopefully one day you will be able to share. For us it would be lovely to hear it.

Anyway, I feel we should all agree to disagree and move on.
 
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