MJ Forever Tribute/ MJJC Statement / Estate statement / Fan letter pg51/ GLE put on administration

Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

I did not know the owner said that the tribute will be supported if it takes place after the trial. I will not support this tribute even if moved till after the trial because that is not the major thing wrong with it. If it was, then sure, if they changed the date I would gladly approve. There are too many other issues involved here that needs to be rectified.

About grandma, guys, this is the 3rd time the issue of "you can't say this about her vs you can say this about her" has been discussed in this thread. All the arguments pro and con have been outlined. Can we please not go down that road again. The person who began this discussion again on this page, can simple go back some pages and find all the arguments about this.
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

Personal. I can not believe they are referring to Michael's mother that way. All these accusations and disrespect. Please stop it.

I don't think we belong to a cult. We are people who know what a mother is or should be. Some of us just can't think highly of Katherine Jackson because she hasn't given any reason for that.

We are fans of Michael Jackson, the Greatest Entertainer and above all, the Greatest Humanitarian in the whole world and some of us do not turn our heads to KJ's actions. We listen, we see, and we respond.
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

Aquarius try not to engage in that issue again and lets continue and I saw this with love and fondness for you and your opinions.
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

Thank you, Petrarose.

We have covered this ground comprehensively and exhaustively in this thread and other places.

However members are reminded to stay respectful. THINK before you type.
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

I can't take this any more. I've never seen such a hate fest in all my days as an MJ fan! Why not spend more time celebrating the wonderful memories of Mike while he walked among us. Hating is very tiring and as someone earlier said, un-Michael like. I know many don't agree with this Forever Michael Tribute and I Agee it has it's issues, but truth be told, anyone doing something of this nature in Mike's name or any other public figure will most likely be lining their pockets out of it. If u don't like the Jackson's that's fine. If u want to boycott the tribute, that's fine too. Everyone is entitled to their own personal likes and opinions but not every fan feels this way. As for me, this blatant hate fest is quite disturbing. Afterall, the Jackson's are Michael's family and we all know that family is not a matter of choice. There is always some family member in everyone's that we feel behaves badly, just that the Jackson's same as Michael's has been placed on the public chopping block. Michael had to endure this his whole adult life. Please let's not allow this to happen to another human life, especially as a Michael fan. Don't forget his last message to us...L.O.V.E. :)
 
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Just saw them. Paris and Blanet are signing autographs and meeting with fans together with Prince. Not sure if they are signing autographs for their dad's fans or their own fans seeing these kids have a huge fanbase/fansites already without really doing anything but being Michael Jackson's kids. As usual Blanket looks uncomfortable while Paris is basking in delight with all the cameras and attention towards her and Prince is just trying to get through it all with his head phones on and uncomfortable smile. Just another exploitation day for the Jackson kids. I assume since the pictures are official press pictures and not pap or personal pictures, it's okay to post. If not the mod's can erase it.

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Prince and Blanket with Joseph Jackson at the event.

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As always, all wrong.... There is nothing to say about it. I can only think of Michael, what would he think about it. Disappointing.... This is the Jackson family. :sigh: :puke: :(

And I bet some of these people will auction or sell on Ebay these autographs..... *big sigh*


And it seems that this tribute crap will actually move on... :doh: Unbelievable.
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

Aquarius try not to engage in that issue again and lets continue and I saw this with love and fondness for you and your opinions.

Thank you Petrarose. I wasnt' aware of the previous discussion. It just that it hurts me when his own family, the ones who are supossed to protect him in death, are the ones hitting him with the same stone as other people are still hitting him with.

I was on Dr. Drew's blog and you don't imagine the horrible things they say about Michael. Of course, there others who are telling the true, but all the negative things written there remind me of his family.
Left a couple of comments there, but now I regret it because there are some people who don't want to know or accept the facts, they don't want to research, they prefer to listen to the media. It was a waste.

I stand by my comment about Katherine Jackson because I didn't say anything disrespectful. But, ii wont' get involve in this issue again. Thanks.
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

People can buy tickets without any of that "pledging" to charity thing.

Guess they gave that up...
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

I did not know the owner said that the tribute will be supported if it takes place after the trial. I will not support this tribute even if moved till after the trial because that is not the major thing wrong with it. If it was, then sure, if they changed the date I would gladly approve. There are too many other issues involved here that needs to be rectified.

Petra, can I call you Petra or you prefer Petrarose? the Hollywod Reporter say the owner said it. So, I'm confused about this fan club supporting events from the Jacksons, if their only benefit is to profit out of Michael. That could be a lie or a misrepresentation of what the owner said. It will be nice if we hear from the owner.
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

Please, please tell me this isn't true:

"We're not saying to cancel it completely, but we will not support this concert one bit unless it's moved outside of the Murray trial."

Will we support concerts from the Jacksons if they're moved after the trial? Hell, i won't.
The Jacksons only want to make money out of the memory, hard work, and suffering of Michael. Does this fan club support the Jacksons? Tell me it's not true, please.

I did not know the owner said that the tribute will be supported if it takes place after the trial. I will not support this tribute even if moved till after the trial because that is not the major thing wrong with it. If it was, then sure, if they changed the date I would gladly approve. There are too many other issues involved here that needs to be rectified.

I think that quote is misunderstood and let me tell you the details.

When the first announcement was made about this tribute concert several fan clubs including MJJC began discussing the tribute, although there were concerns even then the main consensus was to stay "neutral" - no support and no boycott. Why? Because we tried to respect Katherine and focus on the Conrad Murray trial.

When the Gene Simmons / Kiss news became public it was simply the breaking point for us and many other clubs. It was the time we believed that it was time for us to make our voices heard.

Today even the conditions are corrected we have no intention of "supporting" or "promoting" it, we can simply turn back to "neutral" to "whatever" tone..
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

Nobody cares about this Money Forever Tribute. Medias and fans speak in a very Bad way about this insult.

That's great! And they sold less that 7000 tickets, less less...lol at Katherine and her best concert ever! L.O.L
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

Thanks Ivy.

But, will this fan club support any other Jackson's ventures when they only want to profit out of Michael and without the estate consent?
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

Thanks for the clarification Gary.
Aquarius yes you can call me Petra, since that is my name.
About your above post on supporting other Jackson ventures, to be honest, any venture whether by an outside promoter, the estate, or family will make some form of profit unless the whole event is that of charity. To me, the issue of whether we support or not should be guided by whether Michael's name is overwhelmingly exploited by the event, there are too many underhand dealings involved in the event, there is exploitation of Michael's children or mother, and the event is not a celebration of Michael. Just because an event is done by the family and they profit, should not be a reason to not support them.
If the family does a tribute with great artists who love Michael, artists that are current and old school, comedians who love him, involves some child group performance, involves his charities, is done respectfully, and is not very expensive, then I will definitely honor such a tribute even if the family profits.
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

I understand your point. I think I will also support them, but first they have to prove they're doing it for the right causes. I'm sorry, but I can't trust them.

And about other people or organizations profiting from Michael, is true, there are many; but they are not their relatives, they are not his parents, brothers or sisters. They are people who don't care about the person. Tell me, how would you feel, if they were your family, or if you were Michael? Anyway, let's see what happens.
 
LiberianGhost;3468927 said:
I can't take this any more. I've never seen such a hate fest in all my days as an MJ fan! Why not spend more time celebrating the wonderful memories of Mike while he walked among us. Hating is very tiring and as someone earlier said, un-Michael like. I know many don't agree with this Forever Michael Tribute and I Agee it has it's issues, but truth be told, anyone doing something of this nature in Mike's name or any other public figure will most likely be lining their pockets out of it. If u don't like the Jackson's that's fine. If u want to boycott the tribute, that's fine too. Everyone is entitled to their own personal likes and opinions but not every fan feels this way. As for me, this blatant hate fest is quite disturbing. Afterall, the Jackson's are Michael's family and we all know that family is not a matter of choice. There is always some family member in everyone's that we feel behaves badly, just that the Jackson's same as Michael's has been placed on the public chopping block. Michael had to endure this his whole adult life. Please let's not allow this to happen to another human life, especially as a Michael fan. Don't forget his last message to us...L.O.V.E. :)

I don’t want to get off topic, but just have to say I very much remember Michael’s message of love. BUT…I also remember MJ wearing that jacket with Bashir’s face on it and the cancellation red line through it and who can forget his anti-Sony mantras for a while there. He was angry and reacted. That’s human and is what ALL people do when they feel they’re being taken advantage of or wronged or someone they care about is being wronged. They get angry and vent, and even bash.

I don’t think any of the J’s are actually hated, at least not by the vast vast majority. Many fans are just reeling from disillusion and one disappointment after another from their actions, and are reacting accordingly, some more intensely than others. What bothers me, might not bother you, while at the same time could have someone else grinding their teeth to their gums.

We know they are Michael’s family, and have come to appreciate even more how well MJ knew them, and that’s why he did not leave them in charge of his estate.

The thing is…we DID NOT want to know them as well as we have come to! I very much preferred thinking Mrs. Jackson was a haloed saint, who was all wonderment, goodness and benevolence personified. I even believe a part of her very well may be all those things. But, it’s that part of her and the rest of the family that directly targets me as a fan of MJ’s that has me venting, not hating, but venting about this concert…because I greatly resent the ongoing attempts to exploit my love for him and the IMMENSE compassion I feel for his children. I expect the money grubbing and manipulation from others and the estate. It’s the estate's job to make profit, but it annoys the heck out of me that profit is MAINLY what I appear to represent to the Jackson family, especially when at one time all I wanted to give them was love,love,love.

With all that said, I am grateful to the mods and even posters here who seek to temper emotion and remind us of MJ’s message. We don’t want to fuel the kind of negativity and “lynch mob” mentality that destroyed all objectivity in the general public regarding MJ and clearly destroyed a part of him. You could see a light had been forever extinguished in Michael after the trial. But we do want to vent, even need to, but in the end, our love and respect for MJ will always rise above all else. That’s why with all the heated emotions flying around here, we feel that the wonderfully “composed” statement Gaz and company issued and began this thread aptly reflects our sentiments about this latest exploitive attempt. So rest assured, we’ll always come back to that calming and L.O.V.E. place Michael helped us reach, if not for any of the other Jacksons, always for him.
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

I don't hate any of the Jacksons but I do hate some of their actions and have lost an awful lot of respect for some of them ... Some, I have to admit I didn't have a great deal of respect for in the first place.

If we don't stand up then who will? If we just accepted everything kiss would still be a headline act for this concert and Simmons would be allowed to p*ss on Michael's grave.
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

Respects not given its earned. I had no issues with the jacksons bar one or two before 09 heck ive seen vertually all of them in concert at one time or the other.but just like i take offence with anyone that attacks mj and uses him and his kids i take even more offence when the ppl doing it are the very same ppl that are supposed to be protecting and loving him and his children.that makes it
even worse than some random person doing
it.therefore ppl who love mj will take great offence and get angry about it.

And ppl really need to stop speaking for mj.cause unless you have a hotline to the otherside! You cannot comment about what mj would think about the actions of his family post 09.which is what is been discussed.

And following mjs does not mean u agree with him all the time and it does not mean u should never say a bad thing about anyone cause mj didnt. (lets not mention him being happy when jones died or telling allred to go to hell). We are all individuals and have individual opinions.so the argument of saying
what would mj think and do is redundant and irrelevent as its a clear as day he would not approve of the actions and words of certain ppl and anyone who has been a fan for more than twenty seconds or isnt just trying to justify the family and their actions woukd know that
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

Respects not given its earned. I had no issues with the jacksons bar one or two before 09 heck ive seen vertually all of them in concert at one time or the other.but just like i take offence with anyone that attacks mj and uses him and his kids i take even more offence when the ppl doing it are the very same ppl that are supposed to be protecting and loving him and his children.that makes it
even worse than some random person doing
it.therefore ppl who love mj will take great offence and get angry about it.

And ppl really need to stop speaking for mj.cause unless you have a hotline to the otherside! You cannot comment about what mj would think about the actions of his family post 09.which is what is been discussed.

And following mjs does not mean u agree with him all the time and it does not mean u should never say a bad thing about anyone cause mj didnt. (lets not mention him being happy when jones died or telling allred to go to hell). We are all individuals and have individual opinions.so the argument of saying
what would mj think and do is redundant and irrelevent as its a clear as day he would not approve of the actions and words of certain ppl and anyone who has been a fan for more than twenty seconds or isnt just trying to justify the family and their actions woukd know that
dont bother they're not worth debating with. just like they completely ignore anything adn everything. I decided to ignore their nonsense too. it's always hilarious to see people excuse the inexcusable by pulling the mj and hate card yeah right.
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

Thanks Ivy.

But, will this fan club support any other Jackson's ventures when they only want to profit out of Michael and without the estate consent?

we don't have a predetermined stand in regards to anything. We'll bring the news and be neutral about it. After seeing all the details and events , we might or might not decide to be for or against.
 
Ben;3465964 said:
Well, now, it doesnt matter any more. From the FAQ on FB : "There's no obligation to make a pledge (...) The charitable pledge - should you choose to make one, will have no effect or bearing on your chances of getting a ticket (...) The 2 charities really hope you will be able to make a donation."


FB comment: (9 hrs ago) funny thing is i registered, got them made a £100 pledge ,then the money was taken out of my account the next day along with the pledge money,then recieved an email thanking me for my purchase,with just the amount for the tickets on it! Yet they took out the pledge too,would have been nice to see a confirmation of the good cause donation.Has anyone had tickets delivered yet?


The charitable donation issue seems to become less and less transparent. I wonder why they would not give receipts for the donation...I've never known a UK charity not do this (ie not for pennies but for tens or hundreds of pounds.)...I thought they had to? There are possible tax implications in the UK that they could have capitalised on eg if you are a taxpayer I think you can make charitable donations 'tax free' ie the charity can claim the tax back from the Inland revenue. I don't think the charitable side of this has been well thought out at all.



Edit: I think they possibly' shot themselves in the foot' on this one, because if they had not initially advertised preferential treatment to donors, they could probably have claimed tax relief (Gift aid)

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/charities/guidance-notes/chapter3/sectionf.htm#ce
A charity can, therefore, charge a set ticket price (not Gift Aidable) and, in addition, request a donation that can be Gift Aided. However, any suggested donation:
•Must not be compulsory such that it has to be paid, in addition to the set ticket price, to attend the event. That is, the payer must be able to pay only the ticket price to attend the event;
•The payer must be aware that the suggested donation is not compulsory and that they need only pay the set ticket price at the time they make the suggested donation (the ticket and/or event literature must make it clear); and
•The charity must not give any preferential treatment to those who do make a donation over those that choose not to. That is, the tickets must be allocated on a 'first come first served basis'.
 
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Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

I have not read the entire 94 page long thread, but when is this concert - and will it be a positive celebration?
 
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The charitable donation issue seems to become less and less transparent. I wonder why they would not give receipts for the donation...I've never known a UK charity not do this (ie not for pennies but for tens or hundreds of pounds.)...I thought they had to? There are possible tax implications in the UK that they could have capitalised on eg if you are a taxpayer I think you can make charitable donations 'tax free' ie the charity can claim the tax back from the Inland revenue. I don't think the charitable side of this has been well thought out at all.

I saw that comment too, and I was wondering the same thing. I think I read another comment elsewhere saying the same thing. They're taking the money, but people get no confirmation or receipt. And, where will the money go between the 2 charities? Do they intend to split the amount in 2 checks? Will it be a public donation so that people can be sure it WILL be done? It's all very shady.
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

Perhaps the issue of transparency re the donations should be raised at the all-important conference call!
 
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The charitable donation issue seems to become less and less transparent. I wonder why they would not give receipts for the donation...I've never known a UK charity not do this (ie not for pennies but for tens or hundreds of pounds.)...I thought they had to? There are possible tax implications in the UK that they could have capitalised on eg if you are a taxpayer I think you can make charitable donations 'tax free' ie the charity can claim the tax back from the Inland revenue. I don't think the charitable side of this has been well thought out at all.

The purchaser will not get a receipt from the charity as they have not donated directly to the charity; they have given money to Global Libe to pass on as far as I can tell. Global Live will get the tax benefit.

I think the charity thing has been thought out - to give the maximum benefit to Global Live while minimizing their accountability.
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

I have not read the entire 94 page long thread, but when is this concert - and will it be a positive celebration?

In the middle of the trial, and hell NO in answer to your questions respectively.

I recommend, at least reading fan letter on page 51.
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

I have not read the entire 94 page long thread, but when is this concert - and will it be a positive celebration?

I think you should go and read the first post in this thread. Then it will be clear.
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

Perhaps the issue of transparency re the donations should be raised at the all-important conference call!

is that really happening? it is supposed to be this tuesday and no fan clubs has been contacted yet.

I don't see it happening unless they are going to create "fake" fan club representatives like their "fake" facebook friends.
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

is that really happening? it is supposed to be this tuesday and no fan clubs has been contacted yet.

Well, I believe if YOU don't know, then it's not! lol

Maybe they won't do anything and then claim the fans didnt want to participate. Idk. Btw, the description saying performers will sing their songs as well as Michael is still on the FB page, twice. Are they that dumb?
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

Apologies, this was meant as a 'reply with quote' to Ben:

I saw that comment too, and I was wondering the same thing. I think I read another comment elsewhere saying the same thing. They're taking the money, but people get no confirmation or receipt. And, where will the money go between the 2 charities? Do they intend to split the amount in 2 checks? Will it be a public donation so that people can be sure it WILL be done? It's all very shady.

I think the following would apply to GLE:

http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Publications/cc20.aspx

Commercial participator solicitation statements vary from other paid fundraisers. A commercial participator must clearly indicate: which charity or charities will benefit from the promotional venture
if there is more than one charity that will benefit from the venture, in what proportions the charities will respectively benefit
what proportion of the proceeds of the goods, services or promotional venture sold will be given to the charity or charities, or the total amount of the donation given to the charity as a result of sale of goods, services or running the promotional venture



A commercial participator is not a fundraising business but a commercial enterprise that takes part in a promotional venture, such as an advertising or sales campaign, where the public are informed that contributions will be given to or applied for the benefit of a charity. A commercial participator may be subject to the same regulatory requirements as professional fundraisers if all of its activities are for 'charitable purposes' (see Part G)


Professional fundraising or promotions by commercial participators which benefit a particular charity or particular charities, is not permitted unless there is a written agreement. The written agreement must be signed by all parties and include the following:
  • the name and address of each party, the date, the duration of the agreement and the terms of the agreement's termination
  • a statement of its principal objectives and methods used
  • that the funds must be transferred to the charity as soon as possible
  • that professional fundraisers and commercial participators acting for a charity must inform the giving public of the details of the charity for which they are collecting and how much the professional fundraiser or commercial participator is receiving
    [*]
    that professional fundraisers must state the method by which their remuneration is to be calculated and the actual amount of this, if it is known, at the time the statement is made - otherwise the remuneration must be estimated and the estimate must be calculated as accurately as is reasonably possible
  • that commercial participators must state for each product or item of service purchased by a member of the public the precise amount or the percentage of the price paid that will be given to the charity or charities, or must state the sum they are giving in connection with the promotional venture[*]
  • if more than one charity is a party to the agreement, it must contain a provision setting out how the proportion in which each of the charities is to benefit under the agreement is to be determined


Charities should be vigilant when entering into deals with external bodies. If a poor rate of return is generated, it may be felt that the charity is being exploited or that it is participating in fraudulent activity. Although a charity may view any income as a good thing, an arrangement that is seen to be providing substantial private benefit, and only incidental benefits for the charity, will damage public trust and confidence in the charity sector. It may also call into question whether the trustees have acted properly and could lead to regulatory action.
 
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I am also wondering what merchandise they will have for sale here too. Imagine it will be the stuff the Jacksons were selling like perfume, champage etc. Really think the estate should keep their ear to the ground on this to make sure that nothing is being sold which violates the rights of the estate.
 
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