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I guess they have that covered thanks to Wiesner. I would not be surprised.
 
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For PDF: http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/3088807/open-letter-final-pdf-august-20-2011-1-43-pm-481k?da=y
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Ahh.

This explained a lot.
 
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My mind is too much on the trial. I don't see how anyone can be thinking about doing a tribute at this point in time. The trial is going to be hard on us and this a frustration we don't need. I don't understand his family and I feel their priorities are not straight. It's not about hate but a lot of concern and disappointment. Michael deserves the best and this isn't it. Not now and not this way.
 
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Ben said:
I guess they have that covered thanks to Wiesner. I would not be surprised.
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Since a long time several persons works on a sort of parallel infrastructure in the matter of Michael Jackson. Namely exactly since the judge has confirmed the executors.

The old HIStory logo is their key for the Parallel-Merchandising.
I have tried several times carefully to make here in the forum on it ----without success.
And there will not remain with the Merchandising....

It doesn't interest You very much: There IS already everything what is neccessary for a MJ-Parallewelt ...... There are several forums in Western- and East Europe which orientate themselves by Wiesner and not to the Estate.
You don't believe it; there is a parallel fan world also, and there is the Estate nothing; the Estate has no recognition , no appreciation , AEG has murdered Michael and LaToya Jackson says the truth. Just thus as an example....

Should this concert in Cardiff become successful , so is this a signal for other activities.

You will maybe still surprise. I not really.
 
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Mneme said:
Since a long time several persons works on a sort of parallel infrastructure in the matter of Michael Jackson. Namely exactly since the judge has confirmed the executors.

The old HIStory logo is their key for the Parallel-Merchandising.
I have tried several times carefully to make here in the forum on it ----without success.
And there will not remain with the Merchandising....

It doesn't interest You very much: There IS already everything what is neccessary for a MJ-Parallewelt ...... There are several forums in Western- and East Europe which orientate themselves by Wiesner and not to the Estate.You don't believe it; there is a parallel fan world also, and there is the Estate nothing; the Estate has no recognition , no appreciation , AEG has murdered Michael and LaToya Jackson says the truth. Just thus as an example....

Should this concert in Cardiff become successful , so is this a signal for other activities.

You will maybe still surprise. I not really.
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This is very interesting and I wish I had studied better in languages at school, to be able to read some of these forums.
Are these mainly in the German language? I wondered what other countries / languages these might be in?
Is the reason for following Wiesner mainly the 'conspiracy theory' ? Is he backing this theory widely himself eg speaking or writing about it?

Thankfully the concert in Cardiff does not look likely to be a success, and I don't think they will sell much merchandise there, even if the concert goes ahead (because I think a lot of attendees will the the fans of the performers rather than of MJ).
 
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Mneme said:
Since a long time several persons works on a sort of parallel infrastructure in the matter of Michael Jackson. Namely exactly since the judge has confirmed the executors.

The old HIStory logo is their key for the Parallel-Merchandising.
I have tried several times carefully to make here in the forum on it ----without success.
And there will not remain with the Merchandising....

It doesn't interest You very much: There IS already everything what is neccessary for a MJ-Parallewelt ...... There are several forums in Western- and East Europe which orientate themselves by Wiesner and not to the Estate.
You don't believe it; there is a parallel fan world also, and there is the Estate nothing; the Estate has no recognition , no appreciation , AEG has murdered Michael and LaToya Jackson says the truth. Just thus as an example....

Should this concert in Cardiff become successful , so is this a signal for other activities.

You will maybe still surprise. I not really.
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Scary.

Who are these fans? I was under the impression in Eastern & Western Europe, the media made fun of the Jacksons & their constant money scheme.

I got that impression from a friend who lives in Germany. Are we wrong to believe the Jacksons don't have much footing in Europe?
 
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The point of them using the logo in Europe makes sense. People would think it is a Michael logo and not really ponder if it is ligit or not, or if it comes from the estate or not. I could definitely see them selling those types of merchandise at the concert. It states that merchandise will be sold at the concert, so we know exactly where these are coming from--for papa joe and his business associates. Don't forget jellies, perfume, etc.
 
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Memefan said:
Scary.

Who are these fans? I was under the impression in Eastern & Western Europe, the media made fun of the Jacksons & their constant money scheme.

I got that impression from a friend who lives in Germany. Are we wrong to believe the Jacksons don't have much footing in Europe?
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They don't, the Jackson's are seen as mere hanger on's of Michael and nothing else. I don't think they're even considered 'stars'. I'd also like to know who those 'fans' are who see Wiesner as their God. At a fan event last year in Germany I attended I never saw such people, though I was surprised to see how many fans were believing whatever the media had been feeding them, I didn't come across fans who thought Wiesner is a good guy or that the Estate is evil.
 
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^^These must be fans who do not know what is happening in the fan community overall. They may be affiliated with their own local fan groups, and are not aware of all the topics we discuss her at MJJC, for example. In such situations, it is very easy to be misled and view the media coverage as gospel. What the estate has to do is make a plan to bring all these outlying fan communities together by disseminating information of issues relevant to Michael whether it be about music, providing information to correct media distortion, etc. I know they have so much to do, but they have to begin to see Michael's legacy as a product. If you have a product and people are saying negative things about it that is not true, you will send out information to let your consumer have the right information. I think they began this with the online connection, but more has to be done. As soon as the tribute details came out, they should have sent information that they are contacting Global to clarify issues and will inform us as soon as possible.
 
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I occasionally visit fan forums in my native language and I don't see half of the stuff being discussed here even being mentioned there. Even if they are discussed the very basic info is there - such as a TMZ story gets translated but not the following research / detail / document summaries that we have at MJJC.

So I guess we have a group of less informed fans.
 
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^^^Pity, that is why we have fans out there who are not aware of the issues related to Michael. Information is available but not all is available in other languages. I guess people like Wisner are exploiting that and that is why we will find the merchandise at the concert.
 
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ivy said:
I occasionally visit fan forums in my native language and I don't see half of the stuff being discussed here even being mentioned there. Even if they are discussed the very basic info is there - such as a TMZ story gets translated but not the following research / detail / document summaries that we have at MJJC.

So I guess we have a group of less informed fans.
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agree with this I've seen it ample of times on German, Brazilian and Spanish boards myself. and it's indeed a shame
 
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twinklEE said:
They don't, the Jackson's are seen as mere hanger on's of Michael and nothing else. I don't think they're even considered 'stars'. I'd also like to know who those 'fans' are who see Wiesner as their God. At a fan event last year in Germany I attended I never saw such people, though I was surprised to see how many fans were believing whatever the media had been feeding them, I didn't come across fans who thought Wiesner is a good guy or that the Estate is evil.
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Same where I live. That's why the idea of Jermaine releasing his songs here is laughable. I hope he doesnt expect the sales to help him live...
The only comments about the Js in the media are very sarcastic, when they're not just plain disgusted. Again, Joe, in Cannes, very bad idea. Too bad he doesnt understand french. I don't think "proved again that he doesnt have any scruples making money using his dead son" was what he had in mind.

Same goes for the trial though, if you don't have a computer, and know where to look, you won't know anything that's happening. Same thing as in 05. When I read some of the comments on the tribute wall, it leaves me speechless how ignorant some people are though. Comments like "it's going to be great, KJ is in charge of the estate anyway, I dont see what the problem is", and, " it's a charitable event, it's nice to help the kids", "I dont see why ppl are angry, it's great to have a tribute to Michael" and all that crap (sorry). When all the information is out there. smh

There should be more connections between fans clubs. I know there are many of them, but I think at least between the biggest in each country, so that they could pass on the information. The language barrier is certainly an issue, and it doesnt help, but I believe we could work it out. I dont think people outside the US & UK realize how the media of other countries don't give a crap about Michael or anything related, including the trial. The only time they referred to it here was to make sarcastic comments about the "media circus the US are used to".
 
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I want to say something to the information of the German fans. I am active in two forums, and I think there is quite a good level of information given. It is of course always addicted to the users if you go deeply in matters. In one forum there is no input from the moderators. I always bring a lot of things from the MJJCommunity and translate it into the German forums. I am really very grateful to the many information and the court documents I become from here and the summaries which come from Ivy.

So I think the fans in two German forum are well informed. There is also information about Wiesner. Many consider him very critical. But surely there is still always the fans who say Michael "Wiesner has only spoken well about Michael". I do not know why this rumor holds so tenaciously. Another point is with Wiesner that you can not long discuss it in the forums, because he threatens with legal action against the forum-owner. This is the information the moderators of the greatest German forum has given to the users. I think the press is blameless with Wiesner, he is usually portrayed as a serous longtime-manager of Michael Jackson (exceptions are the 1-2 article that were there on criminal investtigation against him). Maybe he will get again tv-air again in Germany as a MJ-expert when the trial starts and so he can unfortunately promote his book. I think there are still many fans in Germany who will buy the book and it is a book in German language.


The Jackson family is already in the press portrayed as greedy, but there is no detailed information. In addition you must certainly distinguish between the fans who has the information from forums and fans who do not go on forums and have only information from the press. I see it is in the U.S. similar. Mostly this is all very fixed on Joe, Kathrine retains its special status as a loving mother.
For the fans the Jackson family has suffered a slump, the Estate has gained steadily on the other hand, with its good reputation at work.
But of course there are the fanatical followers of the Jackson family, who has any excuse about every absurd action of the family and in the opposite looks to find something bad of the Estate. And of course the Sony-hate never dies. But I think these fans are available in all countries.
 
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^ Thank you Annita for this bit of information.

MJ's fan base is so large...I would hate for some to get lost in the lies of the media.

I wish there was a partnership between the forums and/or fan clubs ...MJJC has a ton of valuable info, it should be shared with the other groups.
 
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Memefan said:
^ Thank you Annita for this bit of information.

MJ's fan base is so large...I would hate for some to get lost in the lies of the media.

I wish there was a partnership between the forums and/or fan clubs ...MJJC has a ton of valuable info, it should be shared with the other groups.
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I agree that this would be a great way to support Michael's legacy internationally, to help to dispel myth and rumour and replace these with facts. It is great that fans who have a presence on Boards across international boundaries can translate and disseminate important documents and articles which are of assistance where no local resources exist. Perhaps such translated articles could be shared through a section of the legacy part of this forum...?
 
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^^^

I always thought of a page about 1 person... Like a whole thread about Weisner, what he did, what his work was, what he says, when he said it, his links to other people, other business etc... and do that for all the people who were around Michael, so when we have a question about someone we don't know much, we go to that thread and find everything we have to know about this particular person, including the Jacksons. ONLY facts, not speculation or discussion though.

Like a wikipedia for MJ where everyone can add useful information. The people and other forums could take the text, translate it in their own language and then the RIGHT information could be easily spread.

It would be very long hard work, but longterm speaking, it would be much easier than search for example 'Weisner' and find 3465 thread talking about him, then try to have an idea of who the man is reading some little things here and there, and not knowing if it's accurate or not.
 
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I think that would be a great idea, Carine. As long as we agree that there should be only hard cold facts, from reliable sources. That would be really helpful.
 
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Ben said:
I think that would be a great idea, Carine. As long as we agree that there should be only hard cold facts, from reliable sources. That would be really helpful.
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It would have to, unless it would not be reliable at all. And it should not be a hating party, we would have to include everything GOOD and BAD those people did and said when being in MJ's environment.
 
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So who's starting? :lol:

I know so few about all those people, and some knows so much, I unfortunately can't be in charge of that. But I've been thinking about this for some time now, I wish it could be done one way or another.
 
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Carinemjj said:
So who's starting? :lol:

I know so few about all those people, and some knows so much, I unfortunately can't be in charge of that. But I've been thinking about this for some time now, I wish it could be done one way or another.
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I guess one of the issues is about identifying what are the 'facts'...We have press reports, videos, and statements by various individuals, but I would hesitate to call any of these 'facts'....even statements made by the person themselves may not be entirely 'factual' (eg by GLE, previously quoted in this thread).
I think the best we could do would be to identfy the most 'informative selection' of documents, and let people make up their own minds...which is pretty much all we can do ourselves.
 
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Well, statements made by the person would be considered factual, not as far as what the person is saying, but as far as ''in 00-00-00 this person said that: link to video or written document.
 
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That's the way I see it too. It doesnt mean the statement is factual, but we know, for a fact, he/she said it.

Like we know, for a fact Jermaine didnt rescue Michael from drowning in 79, but we know for a fact he claims to. ;)
 
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Well, we'll see lol ;)

Back on topic!

Now that the world knows that Beyonce is pregnant... She signed for the tribute after knowing she was pregnant, so what is she gonna perform?

I bet if it's a boy she'll tell us she'll call him Michael during her video performance...
 
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Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

Do we know if any fan clubs have been contacted about the conference call?
 
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^^

They'll just get fake people from fake fan clubs, or the ones they consider less dangerous...
Or this will just never happen anyway.

If they can fake facebook accounts to promote their concert, who knows where they can stop.
 
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Mj star no doubt lol
 
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Having an information section would be very useful.

Re: the conference call, yeah if it happens at all it looks like it would be some carefully chosen fan club members - or fake one.
Can someone ask on FB who is going to be participating? Most importantly ask which fan clubs from the letter have been invited.
 
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