Michael - The Official New Album - Out December 14th - General Discussion Thread

[Hess]

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^^^^

WOW. MJ is on that list MANY TIMES !! GREAT !

 

[MJultimatemusiclegen]

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Ok, so maybe I exagerated a bit (I've updated my post), but she was the biggest seller....


Top 40:
1. Susan Boyle I Dreamed A Dream 6.015.500
2. Lady Gaga The Fame (Monster) 5.894.000 Total:6.259.000
3. Black Eyed Peas The E.N.D. 4.611.000
4. Taylor Swift Fearless 4.235.500 Total:6.481.500
5. Michael Jackson Thriller (with Thriller 25 since 2009) 3.860.000
6. U2 No Line On The Horizon 3.609.500
7. Michael Jackson Number Ones (since 2009) 3.539.000
8. Kings Of Leon Only By The Night 3.525.500 Total:5.602.500
9. Michael Bublé Crazy Love 3.338.000
10. Beyoncé I Am... Sasha Fierce 3.243.500 Total:5.494.500
11. Michael Jackson This Is It 3.114.000
12. Eminem Relapse 3.102.500
13. Soundtrack Hannah Montana: The Movie 2.911.000
14. Andrea Bocelli My Christmas 2.884.000
15. Michael Jackson The Essential (since 2009) 2.843.500
16. Green Day 21st Century Breakdown 2.705.000
17. Pink Funhouse 2.515.500 Total:5.024.000
18. Soundtrack Twilight 2.396.000 Total:3.724.000
19. Michael Jackson King Of Pop (since 2009) 2.113.500
20. Michael Jackson Bad (since 2009) 1.978.000
21. Nickelback Dark Horse 1.943.500 Total:3.873.500
22. Jay-Z Blueprint 3 1.912.000
23. Lily Allen It's Not Me, It's You 1.805.500
24. Michael Jackson Dangerous (since 2009) 1.669.000
25. Bruce Springsteen Working On A Dream 1.655.500
26. Michael Jackson Off The Wall (since 2009) 1.651.000
27. Muse The Resistance 1.604.000
28. Coldplay Viva La Vida Or Death And All His Friends 1.599.000 Total:8.151.000
29. Whitney Houston I Look To You 1.594.500
30. Jason Mraz We Sing. We Dance. We Steal Things. 1.593.500 Total:2.915.500
31. Miley Cyrus The Time Of Our Lives 1.545.000
32. Robbie Williams Reality Killed The Video Star 1.487.000
33. Soundtrack The Twilight Saga: New Moon 1.462.000
34. Soundtrack Mamma Mia! 1.426.000 Total:5.337.000
35. Madonna Celebration 1.405.500
36. Kelly Clarkson All I Ever Wanted 1.375.500
37. Seal Soul 1.346.500 Total:2.596.500
38. Zac Brown Band The Foundation 1.319.000 Total:1.469.000
39. Britney Spears Circus 1.303.500 Total:3.375.500
40. The Killers Day & Age 1.255.500 Total:2.758.500

Some extras:
Bon Jovi The Circle 1.086.000
Alicia Keys The Element Of Freedom 1.045.000
Rihanna Rated R 1.013.000
Michael Jackson Invincible (since July 2009) 917.000
Michael Jackson HIStory (since July 2009) 873.500
Mariah Carey Memoirs of An Imperfect Angel 686.000
Michael Jackson & The Jackson 5 The Motown Years 546.000
Lady Gaga The Fame Monster (Exclusive U.S. EP) 552.000
Prince & Bria Valente Lotus Flow3r / MPLSoUND / Elix3r 525.500
Mary J. Blige Stronger With Each Tear 343.000
Ciara Fantasy Ride 325.000
Britney Spears The Singles Collection 319.000
Lionel Ritchie Just Go 285.500
Chris Brown Graffiti 277.000
Janet Jackson Number Ones/The Best 209.500

The fact a reality tv star got the highest selling album of 2009 with an album full of covers has put that final nail in the coffin of the music industry. Sorry Boyle fans.

 

[afgtnk]

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Wow, MJ sold over 20 million albums last year?

That's crazy

 

[Alec]

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Susan Boyle's album was easily the biggest seller worldwide last year. EASILY (by millions!)

It's amazing how much media hype can do.
It's hardly the best musical release of 2009 and on top of it an album of covers.

Sadly most other artists releasing an album this fall have the advantage of having media on their side, whereas Michael will always be belittled, his music reviewed as bad (no matter how good it is). Basically, it has already started. The album isn't out yet but Billboard (and probably RS will start soon too) are already trying to make people not appreciate/buy the new MJ record.

I will NEVER understand this. Rolling Stone is a magazine about MUSIC. MJ's three albums - Bad, Dangerous and HIStory are IMO one of the more (if not most) interesting albums released EVER. They are art at it's finest. Yet they all got sth like 2/5 or 3/5.

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I would move the release date to January or February. It's not about the album not being number 1 in November/December (it might be) but about it's longevity and general appeal. It is important for this release to be memorable to enrich Michael's legacy.

 

[ChickenMcNuggets]

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What on earth are people doing trying to encourage the album's launch to be put off until next year? After nine years already of waiting?! I'll have no hands left by then, let alone nails.

Does it really matter if it charts at No. 2 or 3 rather than 1? Some things in life are just more important than aimless popularity contests. Personally, I think charting in the top three would make it a big hit, regardless of the competition. Please don't encourage the idea of us waiting even longer just because of what other people are doing - please. If you do that, you'll still be waiting to release it in 2020.

 

[Alec]

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What on earth are people doing trying to encourage the album's launch to be put off until next year? After nine years already of waiting?! I'll have no hands left by then, let alone nails.

Does it really matter if it charts at No. 2 or 3 rather than 1? Some things in life are just more important than aimless popularity contests. Personally, I think charting in the top three would make it a big hit, regardless of the competition. Please don't encourage the idea of us waiting even longer just because of what other people are doing - please. If you do that, you'll still be waiting to release it in 2020.

I think it will be released this year. I'm just saying it wouldn't be that bad to postpone it. My biggest concern is that they STILL are not ready.

Gatica and Phillinganes working on the new album worries me. It's not that they're not good - they are AMAZING. But it points to old songs from the 80's and that's something I don't like at all. If they don't have enough unheard, quality material from the last 10 years... heck, add We've Had Enough, What More Can I Give, Shout or Escape. I wouldn't mind. But if they remix old songs from the Bad sessions or even consider Love Never Felt So Good, Imma go and shoot myself right there, in McClain's office.
MJ would have never, ever done that or approve of it.

And I hope the two men running his Estate know that. I believe they do.

 

[Topflux]

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Ok, so maybe I exagerated a bit (I've updated my post), but she was the biggest seller....


Top 40:
1. Susan Boyle I Dreamed A Dream 6.015.500
2. Lady Gaga The Fame (Monster) 5.894.000 Total:6.259.000
3. Black Eyed Peas The E.N.D. 4.611.000
4. Taylor Swift Fearless 4.235.500 Total:6.481.500
5. Michael Jackson Thriller (with Thriller 25 since 2009) 3.860.000
6. U2 No Line On The Horizon 3.609.500
7. Michael Jackson Number Ones (since 2009) 3.539.000
8. Kings Of Leon Only By The Night 3.525.500 Total:5.602.500
9. Michael Bublé Crazy Love 3.338.000
10. Beyoncé I Am... Sasha Fierce 3.243.500 Total:5.494.500
11. Michael Jackson This Is It 3.114.000
12. Eminem Relapse 3.102.500
13. Soundtrack Hannah Montana: The Movie 2.911.000
14. Andrea Bocelli My Christmas 2.884.000
15. Michael Jackson The Essential (since 2009) 2.843.500
16. Green Day 21st Century Breakdown 2.705.000
17. Pink Funhouse 2.515.500 Total:5.024.000
18. Soundtrack Twilight 2.396.000 Total:3.724.000
19. Michael Jackson King Of Pop (since 2009) 2.113.500
20. Michael Jackson Bad (since 2009) 1.978.000
21. Nickelback Dark Horse 1.943.500 Total:3.873.500
22. Jay-Z Blueprint 3 1.912.000
23. Lily Allen It's Not Me, It's You 1.805.500
24. Michael Jackson Dangerous (since 2009) 1.669.000
25. Bruce Springsteen Working On A Dream 1.655.500
26. Michael Jackson Off The Wall (since 2009) 1.651.000
27. Muse The Resistance 1.604.000
28. Coldplay Viva La Vida Or Death And All His Friends 1.599.000 Total:8.151.000
29. Whitney Houston I Look To You 1.594.500
30. Jason Mraz We Sing. We Dance. We Steal Things. 1.593.500 Total:2.915.500
31. Miley Cyrus The Time Of Our Lives 1.545.000
32. Robbie Williams Reality Killed The Video Star 1.487.000
33. Soundtrack The Twilight Saga: New Moon 1.462.000
34. Soundtrack Mamma Mia! 1.426.000 Total:5.337.000
35. Madonna Celebration 1.405.500
36. Kelly Clarkson All I Ever Wanted 1.375.500
37. Seal Soul 1.346.500 Total:2.596.500
38. Zac Brown Band The Foundation 1.319.000 Total:1.469.000
39. Britney Spears Circus 1.303.500 Total:3.375.500
40. The Killers Day & Age 1.255.500 Total:2.758.500

Some extras:
Bon Jovi The Circle 1.086.000
Alicia Keys The Element Of Freedom 1.045.000
Rihanna Rated R 1.013.000
Michael Jackson Invincible (since July 2009) 917.000
Michael Jackson HIStory (since July 2009) 873.500
Mariah Carey Memoirs of An Imperfect Angel 686.000
Michael Jackson & The Jackson 5 The Motown Years 546.000
Lady Gaga The Fame Monster (Exclusive U.S. EP) 552.000
Prince & Bria Valente Lotus Flow3r / MPLSoUND / Elix3r 525.500
Mary J. Blige Stronger With Each Tear 343.000
Ciara Fantasy Ride 325.000
Britney Spears The Singles Collection 319.000
Lionel Ritchie Just Go 285.500
Chris Brown Graffiti 277.000
Janet Jackson Number Ones/The Best 209.500

Are those physical sales only or also digital? You meant that's for the last year meaning Michael did most of that in SIX months only?! Huh...

 

[Pentum]

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Question to smooth or damien:

Will Love Never Felt So Good be on the new album or not?

 

[love is magical]

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It's amazing how much media hype can do.
It's hardly the best musical release of 2009 and on top of it an album of covers.

Sadly most other artists releasing an album this fall have the advantage of having media on their side, whereas Michael will always be belittled, his music reviewed as bad (no matter how good it is). Basically, it has already started. The album isn't out yet but Billboard (and probably RS will start soon too) are already trying to make people not appreciate/buy the new MJ record.

I will NEVER understand this. Rolling Stone is a magazine about MUSIC. MJ's three albums - Bad, Dangerous and HIStory are IMO one of the more (if not most) interesting albums released EVER. They are art at it's finest. Yet they all got sth like 2/5 or 3/5.

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I would move the release date to January or February. It's not about the album not being number 1 in November/December (it might be) but about it's longevity and general appeal. It is important for this release to be memorable to enrich Michael's legacy.

Susan Boyle has a good voice, but so do many people. Her popularity is largely driven by hype. I, personally, don't find her that interesting. So, I'm curious to see how she follows up with her initial success.

Rolling Stone and Billboard have their agenda. Rolling Stone never likes the idea of Michael Jackson being the most successful ever. Billboard is far from neutural. I sighed when I first saw the album review of BAD on iTune. These so-called critics would do anything to put down Michael.

I don't know if postponing the release to avoid competition is a good thing. Sony is well aware of all the album releases in November. If Sony still sticks with the November release, Sony must be confident with the quality of the album.

 

[*Little Suzie*]

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Does anyone know how the tracklist will look like?

 

[AhSeeingVoicesMs]

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who is the f**k is Susan Boyle ? for real.....who she is?

 

[Arklove]

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who is the f**k is Susan Boyle ? for real.....who she is?

dontcha know? she's the new MJ....duh

 

[Lucilla]

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she's the biggest selling world wide last year?

wait, when they say "world" they mean West Europe and North America or they mean the WHOLE world?

 

[moonball29]

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You meant that's for the last year meaning Michael did most of that in SIX months only?! Huh...

Wanted to highlight this post... Look what Michael did in six months with his back catalogue! I don't see why everyone is worried about 12 months of sales with brand new material.

 

[butterflies]

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What worries me is that Kanye West is releasing his album Nov 23rd (same as MJ), and with expected 1st week sales of 400,000 that puts MJ in jeopardy of getting a #1 album. I am forecasting a 1st week debut of roughly 275,000 to 325,000 in the US which would mean a #2 or possibly #3 album for MJ (if Boyle's sales remain high in her 3rd week which is very possible).

If Sony wants to avoid a slaughter on the charts the only viable option would be to move the release to next year. That way the album could go #1 for several weeks.

Kanye West, Susan Boyle, and Taylor Swift are the big competition here.

The reality is that while hardcore fans are making this to be a huge release, in the eyes of the general public this isn't THAT big of a deal. With TII, it was a huge theatrical film that gained the attention of the masses. That resulted in huge album sales. For this album, the media will be taking the angle "these are the songs MJ rejected, and for a good reason, etc". For that reason, I am expecting this album to under perform TII (not by much though).

First week sales in US= 275,000 to 325,000
Year end sales in US= 1,000,000
Total US sales= 2,000,000

That article did state it in such a way that says that it is just songs "that didn't make it on his previous albums", which pisses me off. NO, they are songs he recorded for A NEW ALBUM. He was working on new material. They are not just songs from the 80's that didn't make the cut the first time. That really irritates me.
As for Kanye, Susan Boyle and Taylor Swift, they all appeal to very different groups of people since they are very different genres. Michael appealed to almost everyone. He really did and still does. I never bought the first Susan Boyle album, and I definitely won't buy the second. Their second releases typically don't sell as well as the first anyway. She can definitely sing, there's no doubt about that, but everyone has different tastes in music. The fact that MJ could even compete with a release of just footage of him rehearsing and a CD that has all old songs on it, is amazing. He was right up there on iTunes for a long time. I really think people are getting worried over nothing here.

 

[Pentum]

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she's the biggest selling world wide last year?

wait, when they say "world" they mean West Europe and North America or they mean the WHOLE world?

This.

When talking about album sells, people are always talking about America.

I bet Africa has NEVER heard of Susan Boiled Egg.

 

[butterflies]

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I understand that This Is It is supported by a theatrical release last year. But, the album is really "greatest hit collection" in disguise. It appeals to fans becasue we would buy anything from Michael. But, the album still manages to sell over five millions copies worldwide, given the fact that there are many other Michael Jackson greatest hit albums (Number One's, TUC, Essential) out in the market. To me, this is a sign of how big Michael's fan base is.

It really isn't that important to me for Michael to have another #1 album. He has nothing to prove. He's the greatest and most successful. Period. I just want the media to be respectful and fair (wishful thinking, I know.) Why the media feels the need to shoot down on an album that no one, except the select few at Sony, knows anything about?

Retailers are telling Billboard anything from Michael Jackson will sell. Billboard then feels the need to add the quote that said the album doesn't mean anything. Doesn't make sense at all.

Seriously, none of the artists metioned in the article has a global impact like Michael Jackson. Kayne West and Taylor Swift sell big in North America, but their appeals remain regional. I'm curious to see how Susan Boyle's second album will do. She has a good voice and her story is inspiring. Her first album was indeed like an oasis in a land of autotunes. But, her popularity cannot be substained with just a good voice alone.

Too bad so few realize what a perfectionist and genius Michael Jackson was. His demos or even his rejects are better than many formal releases from others. The demo "Fall Again" was the one and only time Michael sung the song. According to the writer of the song, Michael didn't even have the chance to learn the song. The demo sounds so good already. People who worked on the album, such as Teddy Riley, speak highly about the album. I don't understand why people would be more attracted to This Is It (a greatest hit collection) than an album with unreleased recent materials in good quality.

Great post, and I agree. So Susan Boyle's first CD that was highly anticipated because of all the hype surrounding the show. The fact that MJ could even compete and be in the top 10 is amazing. Yes, there was a theatrical release, but it was just him REHEARSING! Rehearsing, and look at how amazingly well it did. Better than anyone had ever thought it would. Hmmm, I'm not thinking he will have any trouble, but maybe it's just me.

 

[xscape guy 2003]

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As ever!! People read and believe crap! Do you eally think Michael did not have any new material ready for release??? I think hat it shows with what i have read is that the album is not oly going to be the only new material release and gatica 's stuff and that are going to be put on another next xmas!

I really dont believe that teddy would be saying this material is aweome and cannot wait it to be heard if it was not!
Michael was not stupid, only thing was that he was not aware as all of us where how fast he would pass from us!

I truely believe Mihael can and will smash all the negativity thats going round and this new album will be amazing! Notice how nobody is saying ANYTHING about Will i am again now. However we know that this was to make the cut!

I cannot wait for November!

Terry

 

[The One.]

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I know it was said a few pages back, but it would be so fantastic if each of the 20mil Facebook fans bought the album. Do you think this is a possibility? Or are many of them those who just join groups and don't take part?

All I know is that some of my friends are his fans on fb but I don't think they'd buy his album. But then again, there's many fans who aren't on facebook.

 

[dupsy]

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All I know is that some of my friends are his fans on fb but I don't think they'd buy his album. But then again, there's many fans who aren't on facebook.

That's very true,Am not on facebook and would definitely buy the album.the anticipation is killing me.

 

[MJStorm]

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That's very true,Am not on facebook and would definitely buy the album.the anticipation is killing me.

I am not on facebook and I will buy the album because of Michael.

 

[bjoernclausen]

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Was just gonna post the same as Hess. RF has been inaccurate LOADS of times. Whatever he says might be just as accurate or inaccurate as whatever SC05 has to say.

And also - they are STILL working on the album. Who's to say that they didn't change it?

Unrelated, I don't believe any of the so-called "sources" on here. Just honestly. But I won't get into that. 'Cus I'm (usually) a nice guy

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

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I don't know if it is a question of difference of age among some fans, but how the hell can you even think of comparing Susan Boyle to Michael Jackson? I don't know wether to laugh or to cry when I see such comments.

If younger fans fear Susan Boyle's or Kayne West's today's popularity over Michael's, I can understand, because they haven't really known Michael when he topped the media as far as music is concerned.

But, I don't understand it from older fans!

Have you ever seen fans as going crazy about Kayne West or Susan's Boyle as about Michael? Have you ever seen fans tattooing Susan Boyle on their skins, or even Kayne West! Have you ever seen in any movie refering to Kayne West or Susan Boyle? (And refering to Michael? Probably more than a dozen of times!) Have you ever seen shows around the planet in the name of Susan Boyle or Kayne West?

How can't you see that Michael already indented his popularity at such a level not only upwards in the charts, but also spread worldwide on all levels that it is going to be incredibly difficult, if not impossible, to ever equal him on all the levels.

Many seem to forget that album sales is one thing, and popularity another.

Michael used to say that lies run sprints and the truth marathons!
I would paraphrase his sentence and add that albums sales run sprints and popularity impact runs marathons. Period.

 

[earthlyme]

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I dont think ALL 20Mill. ppl. (fans) on FB are gonna buy his album cuz I know some of the ppl. that have liked his Facebook page and they're like "OK" fans. They dont buy his CD or anything…they just listen to him on the radio or something like that. BUt it would be cool if everyone bought it!

As one person said on here, the Music will speak for it self and Mike really dont need a #1 album but I think it WILL BE #1…thats my belief! I know People are gonna be interested since its Michael and he's always throwing UNIQUE Music out there.

L.o.v.e.
Romi

 

[Kirshach]

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I don't know if it is a question of difference of age among some fans, but how the hell can you even think of comparing Susan Boyle to Michael Jackson? I don't know wether to laugh or to cry when I see such comments.

well, comparing Michael to Susan or Kanye as artists is absolutely silly, but comparing their possible sales...
you know, it's a phenomenon of modern music industry: your sales doesn't depend on your musical talent as much as it was in 80's. anyway, i believe Michael is just too huge to let anybody outsell him.

 

[love is magical]

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^^Bumper, it's not the fans who are making the comparison. Again, it's the media who are trying to pull Michael down by saying Michael's new album is not going to have much impact and Susan Boyle is going to top the sales chart this year. The media can't wait to put their usual negative spin. Unfortunately, the media will never be fair to Michael.

 

[MattyJam]

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I really REALLY hope Friedman is wrong about LNFSG being included.

 

[Prince Of Pop]

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Roger doesn't know jack sh!t what's going on. He's just assuming. Why would Sony/The Estate would put that song on the album when it's over 20+ years old. They want newer stuff. Stuff that has current sounds.

I'm willing to bet if they added something that was from several years ago, they would only go as far back as the HIStory album.

Also after the issues with Paul Anka with This Is It, why would the estate agree to work with him on the new album?

I'm betting Love Never Felt So Good will NOT be on the album.

As far as Kreen and his CONSTANT negativity goes, I'm tired of it. I wish the board mods would do something about it. He's bringing NOTHING but hate to this topic. He needs to be dealt with. Kreen- consider yourself on my ignore list. You sir need to get a life and stop the negativity

 

[MJsweden]

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Can't we all just be happy there is coming an album and a 3 dvd box set? And please stop picking on SC5. He is doing nothing wrong? He was maybe wrong some times, but that was because ¨sony¨ told him those things! He is just beeing nice and sharing what he knows!

 

[smoothcriminal12]

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Please guys, Susan Boyle is barely competition for Michael. For sales maybe, but in reality she's some oldies act that has a good voice and sings old church hymns and covers. Michael is timeless. Susan won't be around in 45 years. Michael will still be. End of story.