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Michael - The Official New Album - Out December 14th - General Discussion Thread

Which tracks are you most looking forward to hearing in full/Want on Album!

  • All I Need

    Votes: 13 14.0%

  • Carry On

    Votes: 16 17.2%

  • Breaking News

    Votes: 11 11.8%

  • Monster

    Votes: 13 14.0%

  • Much Too Soon

    Votes: 66 71.0%

  • Do You Know Where Your Children Are

    Votes: 68 73.1%

  • Another Day

    Votes: 76 81.7%

  • Hold My Hand

    Votes: 54 58.1%

  • A Place With No Name

    Votes: 65 69.9%

  • Love Never Felt So Good

    Votes: 34 36.6%

  • Blue Gangsta

    Votes: 57 61.3%
  • Total voters
    93
White Shadow said:
That's a cool idea.
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Ashtanga said:
I like this idea. :wild:
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Thanks -- I just emailed it to Sony.... they've probably already made up their minds, but it couldn't heard, right? Plus I think it would be neat to highlight the talent of the producers who are able to polish up a track, while also clearing show at what point Michael got up to on his own.
 
love is magical said:
If and only if the album does indeed fail, Michael is not the one to blame neither. Please remember this is in reality a posthumous release. Michael is not even here to approve it himself.

I say do whatever you feel right. Some people will buy the album no matter what. Some just can't stomach the fact that the producers butchered the demos into something unrecognizable. There is no right or wrong. We are not the one to blame. Michael is not the one to blame.
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We all know that for sure

But the people that are not fans, and the tabloids are going to say, that in fact jackson lost his touch in music. We have seen this over and over and over and over again.

The media almost destroyed MJ's career.

We will now that it was Sony fault

But the rest of the world that unfurnately are the majority will say, Michael was a fail on his latest years.

That's why we have to stop this, and wait for the album to come, and enjoy the tracks that are real, as you guys call them

Please guys, don't turn this into a bigger deal
 
love is magical said:
Michael released six studio albums and one remix album during his adult time. Off The Wall, Thriller, BAD, Dangerous, HIStory, Invincible and Blood on the Dance Floor. All of the above albums are among the best selling in the world. All of the above are multi-platinum albums. They are best selling because they are GOOD. Michael's fan didn't buy the albums because they are from Michael Jackson. People buy Michael Jackson albums because of the quality. Michael Jackson was a genius and his music were masterpieces.

If this upcoming album is not as successful, fans are not the one to blame. You can't blame consumers for the failure of a product. As I mentioned before, our concerns are legit. The success of this album is determined by the general public. The general public, unlike us, don't spend hours on MJ forum discussing Breaking News. The public listen to the song on radio. If they like it enough, they'll buy the album. If they don't like it, then of course they will not be interested.

From what I have read, Breaking News received mostly mixed to negative review. I'm not surprised at all. The quality of the song is just not good enough. Even if the vocal is 100% MJ, I'd stil say the vocal quality is sub-par. Now, can we be blamed for the luke-warm reaction from the public?

I wouldn't be too pessimistic yet. I hope Sony and the Estate learn from this lesson. The key to success is to treat the consumers right. Forget the gimmick and give fans and the music buyers good music.

I hope they release a "genuine" song from Michael as the first real single and hopefully people's hope and interest will be re-ignited.
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I agree. But hearing the other snippets from the album I think it would be a great album if they replaced the Cascio tracks and "Another day" as a first single would be the bomb.
 
From a post on gearslutz by a poster named 'Roland'

I haven't heard the new Michael Jackson song or anything from the "purported" new album, but, I do know for certain that about a year prior to his death he was recording new material at Grouse Lodge studio in Ireland. I know this categorically as a friend of mine booked the studio for a session and when they arrived Jackson was still there. He asked my friend if it was possible to move the session to another studio and offered to pay their studio costs. In the end they were unable to find another studio and Michael moved into studio two to continue recording. The engineer on his session played a couple of things to my friend and they had Michaels vocals on. he told me that IHO "he still had it".
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Here are a couple of quotes from this article about an engineer that is working on the album

One of the final overdub sessions for the project involved Orianthi, the Australian guitarist who had been rehearsing with Jackson for the This Is It tour prior to his untimely death.
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Although the album’s track listing has not been announced, Khaliq reports that some of the more recent songs required additional overdubs, which he recorded using the Portico II module. “There’s a lot of material, and different songs needed different levels of work,” he explains, noting, for example, “Paulhino da Costa came in and put some percussion on.”
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fxfan said:
We all know that for sure

But the people that are not fans, and the tabloids are going to say, that in fact jackson lost his touch in music. We have seen this over and over and over and over again.

The media almost destroyed MJ's career.

We will now that it was Sony fault

But the rest of the world that unfurnately are the majority will say, Michael was a fail on his latest years.

That's why we have to stop this, and wait for the album to come, and enjoy the tracks that are real, as you guys call them

Please guys, don't turn this into a bigger deal
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Stop worrying about what tabloids say. They will say it anyway. You said it yourself that they said it even when he was still here.

And you know, when somebody says Invincible was a bad album, but he is praising the Cascio songs like crazy (Roger Friedman did both) I cannot take such persons seriously. When the same media who bashed everything Michael did is now praising songs like BN, you know something is fishy.
 
A. Sizzle said:
From a post on gearslutz by a poster named 'Roland'



Here are a couple of quotes from this article about an engineer that is working on the album
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I have heard about the Irish thing before from Internet rumours! Seems like they were true! I have heard Michael used inspiration from Celtic music there. I'd really LOVE to hear those tracks!
 
Today it will be a conf call in Sony about the album... we'll see what's next... ;-)

Ele74
 
^^Also Ele, do you know if they are reading the emails and feedback coming in? Thanks very much for all you have reported so far!
 
A post I'd like to share from - http://www.michaeljackson.com/us/news/new-michael-jackson-song-breaking-news?page=13

Thu, 11/11/2010 - 04:08 — cjg
I hate to break it to everyone but this IS Michael Jackson singing. NO, it isn't going to have the pefect polished edge it would have had if Michael hadn't been murdered and was here to oversee it come to fruition. MIchael was all about sounds and creating new sounds. He often experimented with even how his voice would sound in different pitches and with different tools changing it - I'm thinking of his INVINCIBLE ALBUM and the tracks such as: Butterflies where there are qualities added that make it sound like it was recorded on an old, almost scratched vinyl LP, 2000 WATTS is a good example of how his voice may have seemed almost distorted to some, whereas, others recognized it was his creative playfulness expressing itself by transforming it in a sense, take another listen to You Are My Life and Privacy. His vocal coach Seth Riggs said Michael had a range of a full three and a half octives. Michael could do anything. The reality is it will never be the same because Michael, himself, isn't here to lend his magic to his art. This man had to fight too hard ( no one should have to have dealt with what he did) in every aspect of his life. It seems certain people want to keep making him have to fight. ENOUGH! Michael made tons of money for everyone when he was alive and he will continue to do so, but how about this - how about not having it encased in controversy - what a novel idea. How about just letting the incredible artistry and genuis of Michael just be? Perhaps if all of these people oh so concerned now about his music and legacy would have cared as much about the man, Michael, when he was alive and he told how many people that they were going to kill him he would still be here and making boatloads of money for everyone off of his successful This Is It concerts, cds, dvds of the concerts, maybe a documentary about it, maybe an HBO special about it, etc. you get the idea. So, how about this - let's not create more controversy that is left as a legacy for his children to have added to the nightmare ( of losing their father) they're already having to deal with.
 
respect77 said:
Stop worrying about what tabloids say. They will say it anyway. You said it yourself that they said it even when he was still here.

And you know, when somebody says Invincible was a bad album, but he is praising the Cascio songs like crazy (Roger Friedman did both) I cannot take such persons seriously. When the same media who bashed everything Michael did is now praising songs like BN, you know something is fishy.
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I was wondering why on earth Friedman was saying over the top positive things. It's puzzling, especially if it is Michael on the song.

respect77 said:
I have heard about the Irish thing before from Internet rumours! Seems like they were true! I have heard Michael used inspiration from Celtic music there. I'd really LOVE to hear those tracks!
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Who has this stuff? Does the estate have it? Does it exist at all? Does anyone know?
 
Friedman seems to always be wrong. So if he's saying it's Michael's vocals, it must be not, lol :p
 
deano;3066687 said:
Dear Fans

As the Michael album was being put together, it was decided to bring Teddy Riley on board to work on several songs, including “Breaking News,” a song Michael recorded with Eddie Cascio and James Porte in late 2007 while living at the Cascio family home with his children. Riley produced and submitted “Breaking News” to Sony for inclusion on the album. At that time, no one ever mentioned that the vocals we heard on the Cascio songs, which were basically in demo format, might not be Michael. It was known, however, that the background vocals were a combination of Michael and James Porte.

After the tracks were submitted to Sony, three of these Cascio songs were selected to be on the album, and “Breaking News” was one of the three. The day after the submission and selection of the album tracks, for the very first time, the authenticity of Michael’s vocals on the Cascio tracks was questioned.

Because of these questions, I was immediately asked by co-Executors John Branca and John McClain to conduct an investigation regarding the authenticity of the lead vocals on the Cascio tracks.

Six of Michael’s former producers and engineers who had worked with Michael over the past 30 years - Bruce Swedien, Matt Forger, Stewart Brawley, Michael Prince, Dr. Freeze and Teddy Riley - were all invited to a listening session to hear the raw vocals of the Cascio tracks in question. All of these persons listened to the a cappella versions of the vocals on the Cascio tracks being considered for inclusion on the album, so they could give an opinion as to whether or not the lead vocals were sung by Michael. They all confirmed that the vocal was definitely Michael.

Michael’s musical director and piano player on many of his records over a 20-year period, Greg Phillinganes, played on a Cascio track being produced for the album, and said the voice was definitely Michael’s. Dorian Holley, who was Michael’s vocal director for his solo tours for 20 plus years (including the O2 Concert Tour) and is seen in the This Is It film, listened to the Cascio tracks and told me the lead vocal was Michael Jackson.

These are all engineers, producers and musicians who worked on tours and/or in the studio with Michael when he was recording Bad, Thriller, Off The Wall, Dangerous, Invincible, HIStory and Blood On The Dance Floor, and they all reconfirmed their belief that the lead vocals were Michael’s voice on the Cascio tracks.

The Estate then retained one of the best-known forensic musicologists in the nation to listen to the vocals without any instrumental accompaniment (“a cappella”), and to compare them with a cappella vocals from previous Michael songs. This expert performed waveform analysis, an objective scientific test used to determine audio authenticity, on the Cascio tracks, as well as previously released tracks with Michael’s voice, and reported that ALL of the lead vocals analyzed (which included Cascio tracks) were the voice of Michael Jackson.

Sony Music conducted their own investigation by hiring yet a second well-respected forensic musicologist who also compared the a cappella lead vocals from Cascio tracks against previously released vocals of Michael's, and found that Michael’s voice was the on all sets of the raw vocals. The Cascio tracks were also played for two very prominent persons in the music industry who played crucial roles in Michael’s career. Both of these individuals believed that the lead vocals were Michael’s.

Just to be absolutely certain, I also contacted Jason Malachi, a young singer who some persons had wrongfully alleged was a “soundalike” singer that was hired to sing on the Cascio tracks, and I confirmed that he had no involvement with this project whatsoever.

Sony decided that, given the overwhelming objective evidence resulting from the exhaustive investigations outlined above, they wanted to release a record that included three of the Cascio-Porte tracks - because they believed, without reservation, that the lead vocal on all of those tracks were sung by Michael Jackson.

Although there still seem to be concerns being expressed in some quarters about the authenticity of the lead vocals, notwithstanding the opinion of those who worked with Michael, and two independent forensic analysts, ultimately, Michael’s fans will be the judges of these songs, as they always are. We take all fan comments very seriously, and as I’d stated above, there is nothing more important to the Estate than Michael’s music, his legacy and his fans.

Michael’s fans are extraordinary in their quest for accuracy and their passions to raise their voices in a search for truth! We join with them in our care and concern for Michael. We are continuing to follow up with those who have worked in the studio or on tours with Michael, and if any new information comes to light, we will keep you and the fans advised.


Thanks,

Howard


Howard Weitzman, Esq.
Attorney for the Estate Of Michael Jackson
Santa Monica, CA




I can't see this on here. It is VERY important to consider this before spreading more negative speculation about the album.

Some Michael Jackson 'fans' are looking increasingly stupid to all outside observers - well some inside observers think they are stupid as well, but you get my point.

Mind you I expect, even with all the evidence and proof, some will still think "the earth is flat I tell you!" LOL!!
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One word: LOL
 
Ele, do you know anything about the general mood in Sony about what's going on in the fandom?
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Of course they know. I told them immediately, we spoke many times, 'cause the confusion could affect the promotion or some kind of promotion for the album. And of course I'm sure they read/know the feedback and all the tabloids stuff. Their position
it was always the same. The product is geniune and it's Michael's voice. If today something will change i'll know this evening, but *I suppose* they're preparing for the first single and check everything for that. But we'll see later today....

Ele74
 
Can we assume that Blue Gangster and LNFSG are going to be on the album?

I've avoided listening to many of the clips that have leaked online, but I'm hearing that there are new, more polished sounding clips of both Love Never Felt So Good and Blue Gangster appearing online. So can we assume that these two songs will be included on the tracklisting?

I'm guessing it's going to be a ten track record, considering Taj Jackson said there are seven authentic MJ songs and three Cascio tracks.... so this is my prediction for what we'll have:

1. I Can't Make It Another Day (the new title according to Lenny)
2. Lovely Way (Mark Ronson produced song)
3. Much Too Soon
4. Breaking News
5. Monster
6. Do You Know Where Your Children Are
7. Blue Gangster
8. Love Never Felt So Good
9. Hold My Hand
10. Keep Your Head High (the third Cascio track)
 
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MattyJam said:
I've avoided listening to many of the clips that have leaked online, but I'm hearing that there are new, more polished sounding clips of both Love Never Felt So Good and Blue Gangster appearing online. So can we assume that these two songs will be included on the tracklisting?

I'm guessing it's going to be a ten track record, considering Taj Jackson said there are seven authentic MJ songs and three Cascio tracks.... so this is my prediction for what we'll have:

1. I Can't Make It Another Day (the new title according to Lenny)
2. Lovely Way (Mark Ronson produced song)
3. Much Too Soon
4. Breaking News
5. Monster
6. Do You Know Where Your Children Are
7. Blue Gangster
8. Love Never Felt So Good
9. Hold My Hand
10. Keep Your Head High (the third Cascio track)
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I think BN won't be on the album, but there will be three additional Cascio tracks there (Monster, All I need, Carry on).
 
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I hope Blue Gangster and Another Day will be on..!!
 
Re: Can we assume that Blue Gangster and LNFSG are going to be on the album?

I was hoping for a place with no name too, hopefully that will be realesed at some point, i hope blue gangsta is on it though
 
Re: Can we assume that Blue Gangster and LNFSG are going to be on the album?

Roger Friedman claims that LNFSG is NOT on the album, but then on Monday a new clip of the song surfaced on the net.

So what do we think... on the album or not?
 
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I always thought the lyrics to that song were "I'm the new gangster"...not blue gangster...that just sounds odd.
 
Re: Can we assume that Blue Gangster and LNFSG are going to be on the album?

How odd that Lenny's elongated Another Day's title - where did he confirm this? Wasn't it originally called Storm on his album?? IMO Storm would have been a great title for this MJ album, perhaps even more-so now considering the controversy...

PLEASE tell me the random, amateurish and wholly unneccessary clips of Akon singing "Konvict" haven't seriously been edited into AD's background every five seconds???

Would be great to hear Blue Gansta in full, though LNFSG does sound - for obviously reasons - like a much earlier vocal - that will not sit well with 00's tracks...
 
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ManInTheMonitor said:
How odd that Lenny's elongated Another Day's title - where did he confirm this?
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He called it "I Can't Make It Another Day" on his Twitter. But I don't think that necessarily means that's the official title. I think it will be just "Another Day".
 
So, since we do not expect anything new from Sony and the MJ estate, it is time for GAZ to step in IMO. I also want him (as leader of this board) to take a clear side on the matter.

Then let's have a final voting of what everybody believes on breaking news so that we can conclude WHAT THE MJJCOMMUNITY thinks about that.

- If the majority of the community thinks it is Michael they hear on BN then, let's stop these arguements and just wait for the album
- If the majority thinks it is NOT Michael, then we can move on, find ways to ACT in order to convince Sony to take the phoney songs OFF the album.

Do you agree with that scenario? Anybody afraid to vote one final time?
 
barok232 said:
So, since we do not expect anything new from Sony and the MJ estate, it is time for GAZ to step in IMO. I also want him (as leader of this board) to take a clear side on the matter.

Then let's have a final voting of what everybody believes on breaking news so that we can conclude WHAT THE MJJCOMMUNITY thinks about that.

- If the majority of the community thinks it is Michael they hear on BN then, let's stop these arguements and just wait for the album
- If the majority thinks it is NOT Michael, then we can move on, find ways to ACT in order to convince Sony to take the phoney songs OFF the album.

Do you agree with that scenario? Anybody afraid to vote one final time?
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He already said that he doesn't know what to think & he won't be buying the album as it isn't a Michael album without Michael.

He tweeted today saying he will be posting on the matter too.
 
Eleonora74 said:
Of course they know. I told them immediately, we spoke many times, 'cause the confusion could affect the promotion or some kind of promotion for the album. And of course I'm sure they read/know the feedback and all the tabloids stuff. Their position
it was always the same. The product is geniune and it's Michael's voice. If today something will change i'll know this evening, but *I suppose* they're preparing for the first single and check everything for that. But we'll see later today....

Ele74
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Thank you for the updates :)

Are they considering cutting the suspect songs from the album? Any doubt about the vocals is bring serious problems for the album
 
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