Michael - The Official New Album - Out December 14th - General Discussion Thread

[moonwalkbhoy]

what is breaking news etc, are extras from the album, showing us what could have been?

so they hired sum1 to do vocals etc

and there using them as a stunt to say there actually the real songs on the album instead of telling us there demos the done with additional vocals, to show the fans what it could have been like??

 

[rickd]

Everyone knows the Bobby Ewing is managed by Dileo RIGHT?
Everyone knows that Ewing has credits on all cascio tracks RiGHT?
Everyone knows millions were exchanged for these songs RIGHT?
everyone is down with traditionally anti mj media falling over themselves to reassure this is mj RIGHT?

Let the MUSIC speak
ThT is NOT MJ
It is a SHIT song
Why would you release it? $$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[rickd]

Sorry the major point above is that dodgy lil slimy dileo might just have mr Ewing singing over those tracks

 

[jemini515]

So, maybe we've been barking up the wrong tree with all the Jason Malachi investigation? Should we be trying to find out more about this Ewing guy? Besides that one song (was it Arabian Dancer, oh I don't even remember), I know nothing about him.

 

[mjjesamor]

when i read that Dileo was involved i was not pleased. I don't know but it was my understanding that prior to being rehired as manager for This is It tour Dileo hadn't been in touch with Mike for a long time? Am i wrong on that? And now all of a sudden i read that he was in phone contact with MJ while MJ was recording at the Cascios in 2007 and was telling Dileo how much fun he was having recording the songs etc etc Smells like bs to me

 

[mjjesamor]

Jemimi i posted a link above where you can listen to Bobby Ewing......

 

[Prince Of Pop]

I'm seriously starting to wonder if Sony is hoping this album flops so they save money in this 250+ million dollar deal they agreed with the estate on. Wonder what the fine print in all this would be.

Sony sure hasn't said much of anything...and when they do, they say MJ's vocals are 100% without showing any proof of investigation.

 

[fireplayer747]

Yup.

That, they actually admitted to in that recently mentioned article.

Question is - What Exactly is Vocal Guidelines - Let's put it this way - IF they had a weak version of mjs voice - in full lyric to work with. I very much doubt that it would have been that hard to manipulate Michaels pitch + twist and turn the melody (if anyone remembers the fake YRMW demo then you know what I mean...) to create 2-5 different versions of the verse + chorus - which could easily have been combined to create a plenty-layered song...

I mean this "Demo" - for those who don't have a clue. Amazingly done - but still fake - but - w beats all over - who would notice? After all it IS 100 % Michael - only pitched & twisted and turned...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKCKnRjqY2Q&feature=related

Sorry the major point above is that dodgy lil slimy dileo might just have mr Ewing singing over those tracks

 

[rickd]

Mr Ewing operates under a diff name too, gaz just posted the article

 

[mjjesamor]

where?

 

[blujein]

I'm probably going to get slaughtered for saying this, but after spending a couple of days thinking about it, I think that the tracks are probably as genuine as they can be and I don't think anyone is trying to fool us.

I think they found some great song concepts, some great "single-takes" and some radio-friendly ideas and did the best they could on them. I also think the recordings they did have were probably rubbish quality and needed serious work to be audible, let alone releasable, and I think it's this that has caused the confusion. Perhaps they have "over-corrected"?

Either way, I find it hard to believe that an organisation would pay such huge amounts of money for tracks that aren't real. I also find it hard to believe that a great number of professional people would come forward and say that the tracks are Michael's if they weren't. Keep in mind these people have careers that don't necessarily rest on Michael's legacy, but saying the vocals are MJ's only to be proven wrong later would be beyond devastating to their professional lives. I honestly believe that these people are saying they're Michael's vocals because they are. They're just really rough vocals (not because of Michael, just the recordings themselves).

I think some group of people out there, or maybe just one person, is trying to disrupt this process for some reason. Perhaps the conspiracy is the talk about the tracks being fake, not that the tracks actually are fake?

Ultimately, you need a lot of people to keep a valuable secret for something like this to happen. I don't think that you can achieve that when money talks the way it does. I think the tracks are probably real, they're just not what we expected or wanted.

 

[Maksima40]

I'm probably going to get slaughtered for saying this, but after spending a couple of days thinking about it, I think that the tracks are probably as genuine as they can be and I don't think anyone is trying to fool us.

I think they found some great song concepts, some great "single-takes" and some radio-friendly ideas and did the best they could on them. I also think the recordings they did have were probably rubbish quality and needed serious work to be audible, let alone releasable, and I think it's this that has caused the confusion. Perhaps they have "over-corrected"?

Either way, I find it hard to believe that an organisation would pay such huge amounts of money for tracks that aren't real. I also find it hard to believe that a great number of professional people would come forward and say that the tracks are Michael's if they weren't. Keep in mind these people have careers that don't necessarily rest on Michael's legacy, but saying the vocals are MJ's only to be proven wrong later would be beyond devastating to their professional lives. I honestly believe that these people are saying they're Michael's vocals because they are. They're just really rough vocals (not because of Michael, just the recordings themselves).

I think some group of people out there, or maybe just one person, is trying to disrupt this process for some reason. Perhaps the conspiracy is the talk about the tracks being fake, not that the tracks actually are fake?

Ultimately, you need a lot of people to keep a valuable secret for something like this to happen. I don't think that you can achieve that when money talks the way it does. I think the tracks are probably real, they're just not what we expected or wanted.

Thank you:angel:

 

[mjjesamor]

Yes it's hard to believe but sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.

 

[Tipareth]

I'm probably going to get slaughtered for saying this, but after spending a couple of days thinking about it, I think that the tracks are probably as genuine as they can be and I don't think anyone is trying to fool us.

I think they found some great song concepts, some great "single-takes" and some radio-friendly ideas and did the best they could on them. I also think the recordings they did have were probably rubbish quality and needed serious work to be audible, let alone releasable, and I think it's this that has caused the confusion. Perhaps they have "over-corrected"?

Either way, I find it hard to believe that an organisation would pay such huge amounts of money for tracks that aren't real. I also find it hard to believe that a great number of professional people would come forward and say that the tracks are Michael's if they weren't. Keep in mind these people have careers that don't necessarily rest on Michael's legacy, but saying the vocals are MJ's only to be proven wrong later would be beyond devastating to their professional lives. I honestly believe that these people are saying they're Michael's vocals because they are. They're just really rough vocals (not because of Michael, just the recordings themselves).

I think some group of people out there, or maybe just one person, is trying to disrupt this process for some reason. Perhaps the conspiracy is the talk about the tracks being fake, not that the tracks actually are fake?

Ultimately, you need a lot of people to keep a valuable secret for something like this to happen. I don't think that you can achieve that when money talks the way it does. I think the tracks are probably real, they're just not what we expected or wanted.

I think this is the case. Professionals, huge compay sayign the same thing... They cannot risk to pay that much, devastating their professional lives, their credibility down the toilet...

All for???? few mere tracks!

This would be nuts!!

 

[deano]

I'm probably going to get slaughtered for saying this, but after spending a couple of days thinking about it, I think that the tracks are probably as genuine as they can be and I don't think anyone is trying to fool us.

I think they found some great song concepts, some great "single-takes" and some radio-friendly ideas and did the best they could on them. I also think the recordings they did have were probably rubbish quality and needed serious work to be audible, let alone releasable, and I think it's this that has caused the confusion. Perhaps they have "over-corrected"?

Either way, I find it hard to believe that an organisation would pay such huge amounts of money for tracks that aren't real. I also find it hard to believe that a great number of professional people would come forward and say that the tracks are Michael's if they weren't. Keep in mind these people have careers that don't necessarily rest on Michael's legacy, but saying the vocals are MJ's only to be proven wrong later would be beyond devastating to their professional lives. I honestly believe that these people are saying they're Michael's vocals because they are. They're just really rough vocals (not because of Michael, just the recordings themselves).

I think some group of people out there, or maybe just one person, is trying to disrupt this process for some reason. Perhaps the conspiracy is the talk about the tracks being fake, not that the tracks actually are fake?

Ultimately, you need a lot of people to keep a valuable secret for something like this to happen. I don't think that you can achieve that when money talks the way it does. I think the tracks are probably real, they're just not what we expected or wanted.

At last!

Some sense, floating in a sea of bull****.

Unfortunately, sense like this will get drowned in the amount of bull**** on this forum these days, but still - well done that man/woman. Well done indeed!

 

[monochrome]

another day, no better day it seems. so depressing. i can't really concentrate on anything else. the idea of what's going on here is totally sickening me. i could have never imagined something like that could be happening. it's kinda scary actually. if they succeed in releasing this album with those tracks included, and the general public is buying for authentic, it's like anything is possible.

i start to feel disappointed with the family. if they believe it's fake vocals, then they should fight for letting the world know. all they do is twitter??? is that how you defend the legacy of your brother/uncle? they should set up a press conference (the media needs pictures to spread it), with janet (for she is a established figure in the industry) and katherine (how can a mother not recognize her child?) stating "we do not hear michael's voice as lead vocals on sony music's song".

the pr stunt theory? nice idea, especially regarding the intro of the song. but no way. no way a company can ever lie to it's clients and then say it was just a joke. reliability is the most important.

even if all vocals on those tracks would be nothing but michael's (recorded via phone, under medication, on a bad day, for demo reasons... etc...) i would not be able to consume the product. it is lacking the reason for why i became i michael jackson fan. it contains zero magic and therefore should have never been released. over the years it's as if michael's voice has somehow merged with my soul. i hear it and and i feel an instant reaction. even the mj songs that i don't like (and yes, there are some), leave no doubt that it is michael jackson songs.

some days ago when i was telling a friend with excitement about the upcoming record. he said "hopefully they won't produce a mess with the unfinished material left behind" i thoght no way, sony is gooing to take good care of it, making sure to finish it in michael's way.

sony is done for me. from now on i'll always associate it with filth.
FILTH

 

[deano]

Plus notice how these articles all claim "the consensus is it's MJ". What consensus? Whose consensus? Definitely not fans'. I don't see a consensus. It's still controversial in the fan community but all those articles don't mention this.

Just because Frank Dileo says it makes it a "consensus"? Or if they only quote people who say it's MJ, while ignoring those who say it isn't (there are plenty of those!), does it make it a "consensus"?

Media brainwash orderd by Sony.

Perhaps, by consensus, they mean;

"Consensus of people that actually know what the hell we are talking about because we actually knew Michael and were there when songs were written/recorded/discussed, unlike a few hundred 'hard-core' MJ fans who never actually knew the guy but like to claim they did because they bought his records and a few tee-shirts"?

Just a thought.

 

[blujein]

At last!

Some sense, floating in a sea of bull****.

Unfortunately, sense like this will get drowned in the amount of bull**** on this forum these days, but still - well done that man/woman. Well done indeed!

I appreciate the feedback on my post, guys/gals - I just hope it all gets sorted out really soon, for all of us, and for all the fans that aren't on here talking with us.

It's hard to believe that something malicious is afoot, so I tend to think it isn't.

 

[moonwalkbhoy]

Breaking News Guide Vocalist Revealed

The first of the Cascio tracks to be released –”Breaking News”–obviously isn’t a perfect realization of Michael Jackson’s abilities. Receiving the most critical attention are Jackson’s vocals, the veracity of which even some family and fans are questioning.

There are understandable reasons for this. This certainly isn’t a “typical” Jackson recording: there weren’t extensive warm ups with longtime vocal coach Seth Riggs, no layering and polishing by Jackson himself, no Bruce Swedien and world-class studio technology to capture the original vocal.

This was a guide demo, supplemented by the supporting vocals of James Porte (for which he is credited).

It was also specifically verified that the vocals did not belong to well-known Jackson impersonator, Jason Malachi.

Source: HuffingtonPost

 

[HIStory]

Perhaps, by consensus, they mean;

"Consensus of people that actually know what the hell we are talking about because we actually knew Michael and were there when songs were written/recorded/discussed, unlike a few hundred 'hard-core' MJ fans who never actually knew the guy but like to claim they did because they bought his records and a few tee-shirts"?

Just a thought.

Yeah, the "consensus" of people like Frank Dileo who "coincidentally" turns out to be the manager of Bobby Ewing.....

 

[barok232]

Ok. Let's try this for a change. Let's dump the question "is it Michael or not?" for a moment, forget about who sings in those Cascio tracks.

It is a FACT that those songs are suspicious to many (including myself). Trust to Sony has taken a huge hit.

On the other hand, from the leaked snippets there are some that are not questioned by anyone ("Do you know where your children are", "another day", "love never felt so good", "Much too soon", "Blue Gangsta") not to mention that they instantly received enthusiastic comments

What I want Sony to do is just give us some songs that are considered obviously authentic by anyone just as happened with the above mentioned snippets (they will probably not admit they used a stand-in anyway)

 

[Maceo]

Yeah, the "consensus" of people like Frank Dileo who "coincidentally" turns out to be the manager of Bobby Ewing.....

Frank Dileo = corruption
I don't like this, this guy turns always to be whenever ther's a mess in Michael's projects.

Nothing new today :no:.

to me, they have already ruine everything. I don't mind about the album any more.

 

[OnirMJ]

Sony cares about money and about nothing else. We should all cancel our pre-orders untill we see the tracklist. When they see all this cancelations they will remove this fake songs. We don't want some Bobby Ewing on MICHAEL. We must be strong and keep fighting this battle till the end. It is same for me Bobby or Jason it is not MJJ. And I will not buy that crap.

 

[Tom]

Breaking News Guide Vocalist Revealed

The first of the Cascio tracks to be released –”Breaking News”–obviously isn’t a perfect realization of Michael Jackson’s abilities. Receiving the most critical attention are Jackson’s vocals, the veracity of which even some family and fans are questioning.

There are understandable reasons for this. This certainly isn’t a “typical” Jackson recording: there weren’t extensive warm ups with longtime vocal coach Seth Riggs, no layering and polishing by Jackson himself, no Bruce Swedien and world-class studio technology to capture the original vocal.

This was a guide demo, supplemented by the supporting vocals of James Porte (for which he is credited).

It was also specifically verified that the vocals did not belong to well-known Jackson impersonator, Jason Malachi.

Source: HuffingtonPost

Well that's a lie, because they clearly do.

 

[bluetopez]

This was a guide demo, supplemented by the supporting vocals of James Porte (for which he is credited).

Oh really! O_O We shall see! But, Fake Is Fake! Whether it's Jason or this other dude!? They allegedly got MJ as a back up Singer on his own album...O__O wow! SMH

 

[DarkMJ]

Date of 2009 please !!!!!
Date of 2009 please !!!!!

 

[mijaons]

I'm probably going to get slaughtered for saying this, but after spending a couple of days thinking about it, I think that the tracks are probably as genuine as they can be and I don't think anyone is trying to fool us.

I think they found some great song concepts, some great "single-takes" and some radio-friendly ideas and did the best they could on them. I also think the recordings they did have were probably rubbish quality and needed serious work to be audible, let alone releasable, and I think it's this that has caused the confusion. Perhaps they have "over-corrected"?

Either way, I find it hard to believe that an organisation would pay such huge amounts of money for tracks that aren't real. I also find it hard to believe that a great number of professional people would come forward and say that the tracks are Michael's if they weren't. Keep in mind these people have careers that don't necessarily rest on Michael's legacy, but saying the vocals are MJ's only to be proven wrong later would be beyond devastating to their professional lives. I honestly believe that these people are saying they're Michael's vocals because they are. They're just really rough vocals (not because of Michael, just the recordings themselves).

I think some group of people out there, or maybe just one person, is trying to disrupt this process for some reason. Perhaps the conspiracy is the talk about the tracks being fake, not that the tracks actually are fake?

Ultimately, you need a lot of people to keep a valuable secret for something like this to happen. I don't think that you can achieve that when money talks the way it does. I think the tracks are probably real, they're just not what we expected or wanted.

Right, I do think Michael is on there, but is buried under many things. What I have a problem with is them releasing what is oobviously not releasable as a finished song. Release it as what is is, even with the barest Michael vocals. I'm torn that we might be disregarding Michael's last work. Michael would not like this whole idea anyway. Seems like there's no win here. They should just release finsihed trakcs from 80s/90s that they have, on this album that will quench the larger public's thirst for Michael and then release an album of just demos/unfinished tracks, as they are, that mostly only fans will buy.

For all of you saying that old demos you can totally identify Michael's voice - consider where this was recorded and in what circumstances. There seem to have been no professionals - just Michael and Cascio. He wasn't working in the best of studios, he was making do. The biggest in the music industry had to make do because he was not with a label in 2007. MAke allowances for that. However, this stuff (if it's being released), should be released as it is, without processing Michael out of the song. Michael is what matters.

 

[mjjesamor]

New news stories are appearing quoting Teddy Riley as saying the following....
"When I heard these songs, my heart cried hearing Michael again in good spirits. The vocals sounded very polished, very on key and processed. I have no doubts that these are Michael's vocals," Jackson's longtime producer, Teddy Riley, said Wednesday in a statement to The Associated Press.
I just don't get this, i am in shock. I just cannot understand how Teddy is saying this unless of course he is referring to the raw vocals in thier original state and not what we hear on the finished product. this whole situation is more bizarre by the minute.

 

[DarkMJ]

Here's proof Sony & co are a liar

Compared with the song "Breaking News"

 

[dangerous_88]

I'm probably going to get slaughtered for saying this, but after spending a couple of days thinking about it, I think that the tracks are probably as genuine as they can be and I don't think anyone is trying to fool us.

I think they found some great song concepts, some great "single-takes" and some radio-friendly ideas and did the best they could on them. I also think the recordings they did have were probably rubbish quality and needed serious work to be audible, let alone releasable, and I think it's this that has caused the confusion. Perhaps they have "over-corrected"?

Either way, I find it hard to believe that an organisation would pay such huge amounts of money for tracks that aren't real. I also find it hard to believe that a great number of professional people would come forward and say that the tracks are Michael's if they weren't. Keep in mind these people have careers that don't necessarily rest on Michael's legacy, but saying the vocals are MJ's only to be proven wrong later would be beyond devastating to their professional lives. I honestly believe that these people are saying they're Michael's vocals because they are. They're just really rough vocals (not because of Michael, just the recordings themselves).

I think some group of people out there, or maybe just one person, is trying to disrupt this process for some reason. Perhaps the conspiracy is the talk about the tracks being fake, not that the tracks actually are fake?

Ultimately, you need a lot of people to keep a valuable secret for something like this to happen. I don't think that you can achieve that when money talks the way it does. I think the tracks are probably real, they're just not what we expected or wanted.

yes but no one can convince me that a man of a 40 year long career doesn't have at least 50 decent album outtakes.