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Michael - The Great Album Debate

I personally don't try to convince you for agreeing with my opinion. You absolutely have the right to hear what you hear. Like I have the right to hear what I hear. And you always have the choice regarding what you want and like to listen to. You just have to move on and accept that in the future there will be many releases of MJ 's recording which you won't like. And because they are not artistically on the highest level it doesn't mean that is not him.
I will give you some example. I know that sometimes Michael behaved nasty and obscene (in my opinion) around older Cascio kids. He was joking but they were going to videotape who is farting lauder. If this scene would finish in officially released documentary I would buy it and watch it. What about you. Would you be offended because that kind of truth would hurt Michael's legacy?
 
^^ loooool, sorry to laugh, but what does MJ farting have to do with his legacy? :rofl:

We're talking about music here lol

The only thing I don't like is tracks that sound suspiciously unlike him at all. That's all we want is AUTHENTIC vocals. It's been mentioned Porte was 'all over the tracks'....Ummm....Sorry, and call me crazy, but I prefer to have MJ 'all over the tracks'....:scratch:

For example, 'Don't Be Messin' Round' is not artistically on the highest level because it wasn't finished...But it is clearly MJ, no doubts whatsoever, and it's a demo and a very obvious one at that. I have had absolutely no issues with the unreleased tracks we've heard from Bad 25. They're gorgeous, beautiful, amazing tracks...All of them.....And they're all untouched and undoubtedly Michael.....Now, was it so hard to do this?

That's fine if you want Cascio-sounding tracks but no matter what you say they DO sound VERY VERY odd and I don't see the point in releasing them sounding like that. What for? Mike deserves some respect in regards to what they release.
 
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Again, this discussion is all about authenticity. Whether or not people would like unfinished material to be released and to what degree they find this acceptable/desirable is a different debate.
 
elapentela said:
I personally don't try to convince you for agreeing with my opinion. You absolutely have the right to hear what you hear. Like I have the right to hear what I hear. And you always have the choice regarding what you want and like to listen to. You just have to move on and accept that in the future there will be many releases of MJ 's recording which you won't like. And because they are not artistically on the highest level it doesn't mean that is not him.
I will give you some example. I know that sometimes Michael behaved nasty and obscene (in my opinion) around older Cascio kids. He was joking but they were going to videotape who is farting lauder. If this scene would finish in officially released documentary I would buy it and watch it. What about you. Would you be offended because that kind of truth would hurt Michael's legacy?
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Once MJ came by and threw up in the toilet. I recorded the whole thing. Wanna buy it?

Here's the proof:

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The top forensics are 100% sure that it's MJ's vomitting on the audio recording, but I won't release their analysis.
 
I would like to direct this post to Arclove. Try to understand that for me and many other people "Cascios tracks" DO NOT sound VERY VERY odd and because of this I don't mind them to being release. So everything is the matter of opinion. And the matter of choice what you like to buy and listen to. That's it.
 
elapentela said:
I would like to direct this post to Arclove. Try to understand that for me and many other people "Cascios tracks" DO NOT sound VERY VERY odd and because of this I don't mind them to being release. So everything is the matter of opinion. And the matter of choice what you like to buy and listen to. That's it.
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So to you they all sound EXACTLY like Michael has always, always sounded? I'd like to know why you hear that and I don't. When has he ever sounded like he does on the Cascio songs?

If they sounded so normal, why all the excuses to explain them? By ALL people involved in the creation of these songs. If they sounded as MJ always sounded, WHY use forensics to identify his voice?
 
elapentela said:
I would like to direct this post to Arclove. Try to understand that for me and many other people "Cascios tracks" DO NOT sound VERY VERY odd and because of this I don't mind them to being release. So everything is the matter of opinion. And the matter of choice what you like to buy and listen to. That's it.
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According to Teddy they do sound odd.
 
Arklove said:
So to you they all sound EXACTLY like Michael has always, always sounded? I'd like to know why you hear that and I don't. When has he ever sounded like he does on the Cascio songs?
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I guess when elephantela listens to either Barry White, Cindy Lauper, AC/DC or Frank Sinatra, as long as s/he likes the song it's Michael Jackson.

I also guess if s/he hears a fart on a recording, as long as s/he likes teh sound of it, it's MJ's.

All is a question of opinion, sure, what else.

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SoCav said:
Again, this discussion is all about authenticity. Whether or not people would like unfinished material to be released and to what degree they find this acceptable/desirable is a different debate.
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You won't have the proof of authenticity until Eddie decide to share it or the court decision will force him to share it.
I really don't understand why all the doubters are waiting with Class Action Lawsuit just to force Eddie to proof the authenticity of the recording. Please, go to the court. I need some excitement before K.Jackson-AEG trial will start.

And regarding Eddie not talking to the media and the fans. I like it very much. It remains me Michael, who always was doing everything on his own terms. Remember his family was involved in so many confidential things with MJ and there is still tons of issues they didn't talk about. They just don't feel like doing this right now. They don't need MJ's fans acclaim.
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
I guess when elephantela listens to either Barry White, Cindy Lauper, AC/DC or Frank Sinatra, as long as s/he likes the song it's Michael Jackson.

I also guess if s/he hears a fart on a recording, as long as s/he likes teh sound of it, it's MJ's.

All is a question of opinion, sure, what else.

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LOOOOOL @ 'gambled and lost'
 
elapentela said:
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
According to Teddy they do sound odd.
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So what? I don't see any problem with this.
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elapentela said:
You won't have the proof of authenticity until Eddie decide to share it or the court decision will force him to share it.
I really don't understand why all the doubters are waiting with Class Action Lawsuit just to force Eddie to proof the authenticity of the recording. Please, go to the court. I need some excitement before K.Jackson-AEG trial will start.

And regarding Eddie not talking to the media and the fans. I like it very much. It remains me Michael, who always was doing everything on his own terms. Remember his family was involved in so many confidential things with MJ and there is still tons of issues they didn't talk about. They just don't feel like doing this right now. They don't need MJ's fans acclaim.
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Arklove said:
So to you they all sound EXACTLY like Michael has always, always sounded? I'd like to know why you hear that and I don't. When has he ever sounded like he does on the Cascio songs?

If they sounded so normal, why all the excuses to explain them? By ALL people involved in the creation of these songs. If they sounded as MJ always sounded, WHY use forensics to identify his voice?
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It's simple. To secure themselves against the controversy. If they ever would be taken to the court they would present the forensics results. And of course if the forensics would lack the right result they would not release the songs.

I really don't know why you feel like you feel. For me it's Michael Jackson and I like it very much. I like 2.000 Watt very much too. And of course MJ sounds very differently on this. But it's him. So again it's a matter of opinion what you like to listen to. No one is forcing you to buy the disk or listen to the music you don't like.
 
elapentela said:
I personally don't try to convince you for agreeing with my opinion. You absolutely have the right to hear what you hear. Like I have the right to hear what I hear. And you always have the choice regarding what you want and like to listen to. You just have to move on and accept that in the future there will be many releases of MJ 's recording which you won't like. And because they are not artistically on the highest level it doesn't mean that is not him.
I will give you some example. I know that sometimes Michael behaved nasty and obscene (in my opinion) around older Cascio kids. He was joking but they were going to videotape who is farting lauder. If this scene would finish in officially released documentary I would buy it and watch it. What about you. Would you be offended because that kind of truth would hurt Michael's legacy?
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If it is Michael Jackson farting in that video I wouldn't have anything against it.
If it is Jason Malachi farting in that video I would of course have everything against it.
 
elapentela said:
It's simple. To secure themselves against the controversy. If they ever would be taken to the court they would present the forensics results. And of course if the forensics would lack the right result they would not release the songs.

I really don't know why you feel like you feel. For me it's Michael Jackson and I like it very much. I like 2.000 Watt very much too. And of course MJ sounds very differently on this. But it's him. So again it's a matter of opinion what you like to listen to. No one is forcing you to buy the disk or listen to the music you don't like.
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Ok but if they don't sound odd at all to you, presumably like every other MJ song we've ever heard, then why the need for forensics? If you believe that's a rule of thumb then why didn't they test the unreleased songs on BAD 25? Cuz according to you the Cascio songs don't sound odd at all, therefore sound like any other song, for example, BAD25 songs.
 
OnirMJ said:
If it is Michael Jackson farting in that video I wouldn't have anything against it.
If it is Jason Malachi farting in that video I would of course have everything against it.
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Good. So we don't have problem here with the truth hurting MJ's legacy. So I understand you are able to change your mind if you wii get reasonable proofs that it's Michael Jackson singing on "Cascio tracks".
 
elapentela said:
Good. So we don't have problem here with the truth hurting MJ's legacy. So I understand you are able to change your mind if you wii get reasonable proofs that it's Michael Jackson singing on "Cascio tracks".
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Of course. But the proofs will never be released because they don't exist. And I've heard demo snippets of all 12 songs and the vocals sound exactly the same. So that demos are not the proof because they are not proving anything.
 
Arklove said:
Ok but if they don't sound odd at all to you, presumably like every other MJ song we've ever heard, then why the need for forensics? If you believe that's a rule of thumb then why didn't they test the unreleased songs on BAD 25? Cuz according to you the Cascio songs don't sound odd at all, therefore sound like any other song, for example, BAD25 songs.
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For me those songs don't sound any odder than some other MJ's songs. I gave you an example of the song which sounds a lot more differently. The forensics was done because of controversy which started with Jacksons. Just to shut them up.
 
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OnirMJ said:
Of course. But the proofs will never be released because they don't exist. And I've heard demo snippets of all 12 songs and the vocals sound exactly the same. So that demos are not the proof because they are not proving anything.
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So it's mean your mind will be tortured forever. There is only one solution. To sue Eddie Cascio for emotional distress in Class Action Lawsuit.
 
elapentela said:
So it's mean your mind will be tortured forever. There is only one solution. To sue Eddie Cascio for emotional distress in Class Action Lawsuit.
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Not forever. Just wait few more years and the truth will come up. And your idol will go to jail for a long period of time.
 
OnirMJ said:
Not forever. Just wait few more years and the truth will come up. And your idol will go to jail for a long period of time.
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Before going to jail he will have to go through the trial. And I really like to follow the trials involving Michael Jackson. If he is guilty of the crime he should go to jail. In my opinion he is not and you just slander his name. But he spent so much time around his teacher Michael Jackson and learned how to deal with this. So what can I say. Just good luck with your wishes.
 
nobody goes to jail for civil offenses. It can be monetary fees at the most.
 
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