Michael - The Great Album Debate

[Arklove]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I'd have to listen to that snort again...where does he do it?

 

[Worldwide]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Find me audio where Michael does it.



That's what I think, since I've heard it from Jason 3-4 times. May be even more.

Dude, you must be thinking of Jason Malachi every moment of your day, every post I see you keeping his name in your mouth. If he did sing the songs or even if he didn't, your just giving him free promotion.

I mean, no publicity is bad publicity right lol.

 

[Arklove]

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By the way, Joe Vogel's book on MJ's music, which will be a song-by-song analysis, is coming out in September. An appendix will be dedicated to "Michael", and while he couldn't get an interview with the Cascios in time for it to be included, he did talk to friends of theirs.

...it's all good - Eddie was there pushing buttons....That's all we need to know.

 

[Pentum]

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Dude, you must be thinking of Jason Malachi every moment of your day, every post I see you keeping his name in your mouth. If he did sing the songs or even if he didn't, your just giving him free promotion.

I mean, no publicity is bad publicity right lol.

What the **** do you expect? Of course I keep on posting his name in this thread. Do you have any idea what this thread is all about? Free promotion? Everyone here knows who Jason is.

4 posts? Nice, go somewhere else on the forum and get it higher by not posting bullshit, thank you.

I'd have to listen to that snort again...where does he do it?

1:54/55 @ album version.

 

[Worldwide]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

What the **** do you expect? Of course I keep on posting his name in this thread. Do you have any idea what this thread is all about? Free promotion? Everyone here knows who Jason is.

4 posts? Nice, go somewhere else on the forum and get it higher by not posting bullshit, thank you.



1:54/55 @ album version.

so what if i have 4 posts mate? I don't care about post counts like you lol, I care about Michael Jackson's music thank you. Here's a snippet that will undoubtedly make you post 10000 more posts about malachi.

http://hulkshare.com/1obidburb7j7

 

[love is magical]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

So, is Joe Vogel a music critic?

I actually like the idea of his book. An analysis of Michael's work is much needed. I hope it's going to be an objective one.

Alright, so how did Joe Vogel know whether Michael warmed up his voice or not? Was he a fly in that basement?

 

[Pentum]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

so what if i have 4 posts mate? I don't care about post counts like you lol, I care about Michael Jackson's music thank you. Here's a snippet that will undoubtedly make you post 10000 more posts about malachi.

http://hulkshare.com/1obidburb7j7

How do you know I care about my post count?

And where did you get that Mamacita a cappella snippet?

 

[Worldwide]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

How do you know I care about my post count?

And where did you get that Mamacita a cappella snippet?

Because I may have the full thing.

 

[Pentum]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

....

Do you by any chance have the full Critical a cappella and DJ Don't Stop It a cappella?

 

[Worldwide]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

....

Do you by any chance have the full Critical a cappella and DJ Don't Stop It a cappella?

maybe.........

 

[Pentum]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

No comment, got to go.

 

[Tony R]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Well you've snorted that out for us

To quote 'Michael' in Monster - HA!

 

[Arklove]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

1:54/55 @ album version.

Ok, thanks...(in Monster?, or BN?)

 

[Arklove]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Ah it was you lol. It was a funny comment.
Ok, but when you listen to Another Day you clearly can hear that there aren't enough lyrics, which automatically led to more refrains. But anyway, it is a grat song.

And here a little video showing Lenny in the street. When I saw this video, I surely saw first how nice he is and second how an excellent singer he is.
Listen to his voice in the street, with a cheap microphone-- guess what, he sounds exactly LENNY. (And someone tries to make me believe that Michael couldn't sound Michael in a studio because of this, because of that?????):


[youtube]SBgZNINN6MU&feature=related[/youtube]

Lenny Kravitz is great...I saw him live...He was fabulous! (sexy, too )

 

[samhabib]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

To quote 'Michael' in Monster - HA!

That's actually Michael (without the apostrophes) in Unbreakable. Copied and pasted onto Monster. So that Teddy could claim 'no one screams like that'.

You couldn't make it up!

 

[Tony R]

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That's actually Michael (without the apostrophes) in Unbreakable. Copied and pasted onto Monster. So that Teddy could claim 'no one screams like that'.

You couldn't make it up!

I presumed it was the Unbreakable HA! I questioned using the apostrophes when typing the above.

The 'Michael' album is making me doubt my punctuation use, none of Mike's other albums made me do that.

 

[love is magical]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

^^Sam, Tony, are you guys talking about quotation marks?

The album "Michael" does get all of us confused with the use of punctuation. :cheeky:

 

[Tony R]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

^^Sam, Tony, are you guys talking about quotation marks?

The album "Michael" does get all of us confused with the use of punctuation. :cheeky:

Indeed we are. We've discussed everything else to death, it was the only thing left.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Indeed we are. We've discussed everything else to death, it was the only thing left.

No, we still haven't discussed the title of this thread

 

[Tony R]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

No, we still haven't discussed the title of this thread

Yes, the title is wrong, as Michael is not a 'great album'.

 

[ivy]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

So, is Joe Vogel a music critic?

I actually like the idea of his book. An analysis of Michael's work is much needed. I hope it's going to be an objective one.

Alright, so how did Joe Vogel know whether Michael warmed up his voice or not? Was he a fly in that basement?

he has music articles and several books.

as I said before his article was published 1-2 days before the estate statement and has majority of the basic points of the estate statement. I believe he has another article in which he mentions being invited to listen to the album before it's release. Therefore I think his information source is Estate/Sony plus it's highly probable that he knows people in the industry. and he has been interviewing people (for example Brad Buxter is mentioned on his website) for his MJ book

By the way, Joe Vogel's book on MJ's music, which will be a song-by-song analysis, is coming out in September. An appendix will be dedicated to "Michael", and while he couldn't get an interview with the Cascios in time for it to be included, he did talk to friends of theirs.

I'm curious about what he's going to write about Michael album.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

The book is going to be fake looool

 

[ivy]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

The book is going to be fake looool

well he believes the vocals to be legit so I'm sure someone will be able to find something to discredit him or compare him to Bashir etc.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

well he believes the vocals to be legit so I'm sure someone will be able to find something to discredit him or compare him to Bashir etc.

Which ones? The copy pasted or the imposter's?

 

[ivy]

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Which ones? The copy pasted or the imposter's?

from his articles:

The first of the Cascio tracks to be heard -- "Breaking News" -- obviously isn't a perfect realization of Jackson's abilities. Receiving the most critical attention are Jackson's vocals, the veracity of which even some family and fans are questioning. There are understandable reasons for this. This certainly isn't a "typical" Jackson recording: there weren't extensive warm ups with longtime vocal coach Seth Riggs, no layering and polishing by Jackson himself, no Bruce Swedien and world-class studio technology to capture the original vocal. This was a guide demo, supplemented by the supporting vocals of James Porte (for which he is credited), and produced nearly four years later by Teddy Riley.

While these are not perfectly realized tracks -- as no posthumous material can be -- there is certainly much to appreciate. The Cascio tracks represent, after all, some of the last work Jackson ever wrote and recorded. It wasn't ready to be released, but then, Jackson wasn't ready to die.

"Breaking News," "Monster," "Hold My Hand" and the rest of the tracks that comprise Michael are, similar to the This Is It documentary, fragments of an unfinished vision. They aren't all the polished, perfectionist-Michael Jackson people are accustomed to hearing, but they are him, and what some of his closest friends and collaborators felt his fans deserved to hear.


Breaking News

The song will likely be forever-linked to the controversy surrounding its vocals. Yet in spite of the backlash, the content of the song is classic Michael Jackson, following in the tradition of anti-media tracks like "Leave Me Alone, "Tabloid Junkie," and "Privacy." The repeated use of the name, "Michael Jackson," highlights the way his name has been objectified--it is simply a media construct, a "boogieman," that the real Michael feels detached from. The exaggerated way the name is uttered humorously mocks the way the media exploits him for sensational effect. While the strength and clarity of the vocals clearly aren't up to Jackson's standards, the song itself is quite good. The harmonized chorus is catchy and memorable. Teddy Riley gives the song a fresh but faithful sheen. One can easily imagine the song as an outtake from the Dangerous or HIStory sessions.


Keep Your Head Up

Narrates the life of an ordinary woman "looking for the hope in the empty promises." The song is well-suited to the current economic climate and will likely resonate with many listeners. The back half of the song offers a classic MJ crescendo, with the gospel choir providing the lift and communal strength the woman needs to keep going.

For a variety of reasons, many tracks that Jackson was working on during his final years aren't on the tracklist (including those with will.i.am). In addition, the vocals, particularly on a couple of the "Cascio tracks," don't always measure up to Jackson's typical strength and vitality, leading some to label them as "fake." Until a forensic analysis or some other concrete evidence proves otherwise that conspiracy theory doesn't hold up for me--especially after hearing the final album versions on very good speakers. But occasionally, the creative liberties taken do seem questionable, or at the very least, unexplained. For the purists (myself included), it would be nice, in addition to the current album versions, to have some of these songs as they were last heard by Michael--just as it was nice to see Michael un-mediated in This Is It.

 

[love is magical]

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I don't agree with everything Joe Vogel said in his article on the new album. However, I do look forward to his book. An objective in-depth study of Michael's work, not trivial matters in his life, seems like breath of fresh air.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

from his articles:

The first of the Cascio tracks to be heard -- "Breaking News" -- obviously isn't a perfect realization of Jackson's abilities. Receiving the most critical attention are Jackson's vocals, the veracity of which even some family and fans are questioning. There are understandable reasons for this. This certainly isn't a "typical" Jackson recording: there weren't extensive warm ups with longtime vocal coach Seth Riggs, no layering and polishing by Jackson himself, no Bruce Swedien and world-class studio technology to capture the original vocal. This was a guide demo, supplemented by the supporting vocals of James Porte (for which he is credited), and produced nearly four years later by Teddy Riley.

While these are not perfectly realized tracks -- as no posthumous material can be -- there is certainly much to appreciate. The Cascio tracks represent, after all, some of the last work Jackson ever wrote and recorded. It wasn't ready to be released, but then, Jackson wasn't ready to die.

"Breaking News," "Monster," "Hold My Hand" and the rest of the tracks that comprise Michael are, similar to the This Is It documentary, fragments of an unfinished vision. They aren't all the polished, perfectionist-Michael Jackson people are accustomed to hearing, but they are him, and what some of his closest friends and collaborators felt his fans deserved to hear.


Breaking News

The song will likely be forever-linked to the controversy surrounding its vocals. Yet in spite of the backlash, the content of the song is classic Michael Jackson, following in the tradition of anti-media tracks like "Leave Me Alone, "Tabloid Junkie," and "Privacy." The repeated use of the name, "Michael Jackson," highlights the way his name has been objectified--it is simply a media construct, a "boogieman," that the real Michael feels detached from. The exaggerated way the name is uttered humorously mocks the way the media exploits him for sensational effect. While the strength and clarity of the vocals clearly aren't up to Jackson's standards, the song itself is quite good. The harmonized chorus is catchy and memorable. Teddy Riley gives the song a fresh but faithful sheen. One can easily imagine the song as an outtake from the Dangerous or HIStory sessions.


Keep Your Head Up

Narrates the life of an ordinary woman "looking for the hope in the empty promises." The song is well-suited to the current economic climate and will likely resonate with many listeners. The back half of the song offers a classic MJ crescendo, with the gospel choir providing the lift and communal strength the woman needs to keep going.

For a variety of reasons, many tracks that Jackson was working on during his final years aren't on the tracklist (including those with will.i.am). In addition, the vocals, particularly on a couple of the "Cascio tracks," don't always measure up to Jackson's typical strength and vitality, leading some to label them as "fake." Until a forensic analysis or some other concrete evidence proves otherwise that conspiracy theory doesn't hold up for me--especially after hearing the final album versions on very good speakers. But occasionally, the creative liberties taken do seem questionable, or at the very least, unexplained. For the purists (myself included), it would be nice, in addition to the current album versions, to have some of these songs as they were last heard by Michael--just as it was nice to see Michael un-mediated in This Is It.

Look at those bold parts and answer my question:

What kind of friends are the Cascios to even think selling so weak and poor tracks?

I mean, it is just as if I had known Michaelangelo and as if I had sold a raw insignificant thing from his life poorly made. I am even more disgusted by the Cascios when I read such articles.

On the other hand, what kind of strategy from SONY it is to put that on a first posthumous album. They clearly could have left them for other projects.

But anyway, all what I said was in case if it really were Michael's vocals. I highly doubt it though. There are too many excuses. I just provided a video showing Lenny Kravitz singing in the street with a cheap microphone, his voice was just as usual. On many other occasions I have heard Michael singing during the interviews without really warming up, he never had such a different voice. The excuses are really not convincing.

 

[Moon__Walk]

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It's funny how I can instantly recognize Michael's voice at the beginning of The Way You Love Me, on a voicemail, but can't recognize it at all on the Cascio Tracks, which were recorded in a recording studio...

 

[ivy]

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What kind of friends are the Cascios to even think selling so weak and poor tracks?

why not blame the ones that bought them? selling is a thing of supply and demand. If there wasn't/isn't demand , you can't sell anything.

and actually Joe Vogel himself answers your question(s)

"They aren't all the polished, perfectionist-Michael Jackson people are accustomed to hearing, but they are him, and what some of his closest friends and collaborators felt his fans deserved to hear."


btw : is Lady Gaga's new song has to much "inspiration" from Madonna?

 

[Moon__Walk]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

why not blame the ones that bought them? selling is a thing of supply and demand. If there wasn't/isn't demand , you can't sell anything.

and actually Joe Vogel himself answers your question(s)

"They aren't all the polished, perfectionist-Michael Jackson people are accustomed to hearing, but they are him, and what some of his closest friends and collaborators felt his fans deserved to hear."


btw : is Lady Gaga's new song has to much "inspiration" from Madonna?

That's also true, Why not blame Sony or the Estate as well, The Cascio's didn't have the power to force their tracks onto Michael, They were purchased by other parties...