Latest on MJJC

Michael - The Great Album Debate

Still no one gave me explanation why Cascios sound non-MJ-ish to me. For those who think it is Michael, can you please help me out? What causes my doubts? Why hearing Cascios for first time expecting to hear MJ I was WTF?

P.S when I first heard Breaking News in 2010 I wasn't active here and I didn't read any discussions so I'm not really brainwashed as I keep the same opinion until now. Feel free to share some light in my path and change my mind please.

Maybe I'm just stupid or crazy. I dunno..
 
Last edited:
Korgnex said:
It is an unproven claim that the noise you hear on Teddy's mix would be a "snort". If you heard the earlier mixes of it, you would understand why this claim is nonsense. I have already told you it's a production artefact and nothing else.

So your "at least one clear sort" is the arrogance I'm talking about. You don't have sufficient information to back up such ridiculous claims that have been declared as so-called "facts" for months. They can easily be refuted.

The same goes for how some of Teddy's statements have been - intentionally or not - distorted and how he's been ridiculed about because of that and became one of your preferred targets (you guys know why you always type "beLIEver" as well). He did NOT lie when he said he messed up Michael's vocals with Melodyne. It is true. However he wasn't the only producer, he was simply the finisher. You have to realize that he didn't say anything more or less. It is simply your assumption what to make of this limited information and unfortunately you guys are believing this would be an attempt to explain the vocals - but it isn't in any way.
Birchey has never heard any rough vocals, all the tracks he could acquire have already been worked on by professionals in the industry. That's all I want to say (and have said several times before).
Click to expand...

And you heard rough vocals & earlier mixes where vocals sound right? If they have those "versions" they would release them already.
 
I wonder what was JM's reaction when he first heard BN streamed online. He's nowhere to be seen, no comments from him, no nothing. Quite strange for an MJ fan.
 
Korgnex said:
It's a stupid assumption to call those noises on KYHU and BN a "snort".
It just shows that you have NOT heard the earlier mixes (unleaked), they make it clear there's no "snort" anywhere.
Feel free to continue believing in this lie and other ones.

@teli-mj: Unlike Birchey I have no interest to make sensitive information public or invent stories like he did (again: "rough demos" is the biggest lie ever talked about here).

Not to mention TPIMaster's inability to recognize what's wrong with his infamous comparison clip called "Yogurt"...
No other doubter is recognizing it as well. Guess why? The contradictions between the doubters are always being ignored in order to keep up the common frustration and hatred towards the imagined enemy.
Click to expand...

So, you are the only one (except Eddie Cascio, James Porte & John Branca) who heard those rough vocals? And those 12 snippets that leaked are not original demos? That sounds even more unbelievable than our version with Jason Malachi. If you are right, and those rough vocals (by Michael Jackson) do exist, why they didn't release those rough vocals to show people that it is really Michael? They could save their MICHAEL album and make a lot of money. But they decided not to because...?
 
OnirMJ said:
So, you are the only one (except Eddie Cascio, James Porte & John Branca) who heard those rough vocals? And those 12 snippets that leaked are not original demos? That sounds even more unbelievable than our version with Jason Malachi. If you are right, and those rough vocals (by Michael Jackson) do exist, why they didn't release those rough vocals to show people that it is really Michael? They could save their MICHAEL album and make a lot of money. But they decided not to because...?
Click to expand...

If you only heard those vocals you'd understand why they didn't release them....


they're worse than on the album version :rofl:
 
I think what Teddy said was he used Melodyne to correct some off-key notes,and caused some vibrato sound a little "off" or "processed" which is not identical to "shaky".
About copy-pasted job:producers and engineers verified Michael's voice through not only the scream which was not all copy-pasted,but also other voice features.Teddy got a lot to say,but Oprah show was not the right place for explaining something professional.
 
Paw said:
I think what Teddy said was he used Melodyne to correct some off-key notes,and caused some vibrato sound a little "off" or "processed" which is not identical to "shaky".
About copy-pasted job:producers and engineers verified Michael's voice through not only the scream which was not all copy-pasted,but also other voice features.Teddy got a lot to say,but Oprah show was not the right place for explaining something professional.
Click to expand...

Have you heard Monster before Teddy Riley even touched the song? Have you heard 12 snippets of demo/early versions all before Teddy & other producers worked on them? The vocals are the same, same vibratos!
 
Paw said:
I think what Teddy said was he used Melodyne to correct some off-key notes,and caused some vibrato sound a little "off" or "processed" which is not identical to "shaky".
About copy-pasted job:producers and engineers verified Michael's voice through not only the scream which was not all copy-pasted,but also other voice features.Teddy got a lot to say,but Oprah show was not the right place for explaining something professional.
Click to expand...


And in other words what does it mean when he says that the vibrato is off? Does that mean that the vibrato is NOT shaky? Because what I hear is a shaky vibrato, something Michael Jackson never ever had except on those alleged songs.
 
Paw said:
Well,the streamed Breaking News and album version are different.The differences are not that huge like Michael Jackson to Barry White,but you can hear Michael's voice less robotish,the background voice lower,etc.That's what "wrong mix" means.
I saw the waveform analysis which you guys posted.It's not professional enough.So the "identical" is not identical like you guys said.
Click to expand...
Why are you lying to yourself? Less robotish? Etc.?

Breaking News First Streamed "Wrong Mix" Version: http://www.hulkshare.com/fazgbw17du8e
Breaking News Album Version: http://www.hulkshare.com/wk4n4g7fxsb2

Only differences is the volume of the lead vocals are a little lower, which makes it even more obvious it's Jason.
 
OnirMJ said:
Have you heard Monster before Teddy Riley even touched the song? Have you heard 12 snippets of demo/early versions all before Teddy & other producers worked on them? The vocals are the same, same vibratos!
Click to expand...

Yeah, have you? All the leaked snippets are mixes from professional producers, dude. The KYHU mix e.g. is another one from C. "Tricky" Stewart [to make it 100% clear: I'm NOT talking about the mix that is almost identical to the album version which was leaked before the album was released and which you all have!]. All of them have been worked on, it's time to open your eyes. You have NOT heard anything "all before" professional producers have picked it up.

Sometimes it's quite interesting that people choose to believe what suits them best...
Rather believing the pathetic lies by Birchey, isn't that what many of you are actually doing for months now?
Let me repeat again: These mixes are anything but "rough" and "untouched". It's a lie by Birchey & Co.

He also claimed to have some of the stolen songs from studio acetates when everything was taken from Sony's server. His own wife even claimed - PUBLICLY(!) on Twitter I might add - he got FIVE ultra rare songs for only EIGHTY pounds.
Yeah, we have to believe such honest people. *lol*
Their charges must be a mistake which their defense will try to refute. Like Murray's defense, I might add.


Birchey lied to me.
Birchey lied to MJJC/Gaz.
Birchey lied to you.

Wake up, doubters!
 
Last edited:
Well, we can't exactly make a judgement on the songs before they were worked on by producers because we're not all collectors, and we all don't have money to burn on songs we don't enjoy.

Korgnex, if you have information that can easily prove our beliefs wrong, then by all means SHARE IT! Otherwise your claims are completely assertive, which in turn hurts your case significantly.

Oh, and out beliefs are not purely based on what Birchey said. I couldn't care less about what Birchey said. I believe what I hear and nothing more.
 
Korgnex, I am sorry but personally I didn't wait for Birchey to tell me that the songs are fake. I heard it from the very beginning with my own ears. I hear JM and not MJ regardless of what Birchey says or doesn't say.
 
I'm not saying that Birchey made you believe what you believe. But you believed certain lies about the songs that he posted here.
 
Korgnex said:
I'm not saying that Birchey made you believe what you believe. But you believed certain lies about the songs that he posted here.
Click to expand...


What lies? Copy-pasted breaths, aoows, etc? They ARE all copy-pastes, check it out for yourself. I don't know what lies you are referring to. Even some words are copy pasted from other songs and inserted in the middle of the sentences.

Those songs are fabricated, you can hear that. And Eddie claims that MJ absolutely wanted those songs to be released. He said that MJ seriosuly worked every day.

I don't know who lies inhere, but Eddie's claims are full of bs when you hear the songs.
 
Korgnex said:
Yeah, have you? All the leaked snippets are mixes from professional producers, dude. The KYHU mix e.g. is another one from C. "Tricky" Stewart [to make it 100% clear: I'm NOT talking about the mix that is almost identical to the album version which was leaked before the album was released and which you all have!]. All of them have been worked on, it's time to open your eyes. You have NOT heard anything "all before" professional producers have picked it up.

Sometimes it's quite interesting that people choose to believe what suits them best...
Rather believing the pathetic lies by Birchey, isn't that what many of you are actually doing for months now?
Let me repeat again: These mixes are anything but "rough" and "untouched". It's a lie by Birchey & Co.

He also claimed to have some of the stolen songs from studio acetates when everything was taken from Sony's server. His own wife even claimed - PUBLICLY(!) on Twitter I might add - he got FIVE ultra rare songs for only EIGHTY pounds.
Yeah, we have to believe such honest people. *lol*
Their charges must be a mistake which their defense will try to refute. Like Murray's defense, I might add.


Birchey lied to me.
Birchey lied to MJJC/Gaz.
Birchey lied to you.

Wake up, doubters!
Click to expand...

Ok, you still didn't answer my question?
Have you heard the original demos/rough mixes (not the ones that leaked)?
And if those demos/rough mixes sound like Michael Jackson, why Estate & Sony didn't release those demos to prove that the songs are real?
 
Also Korgnex, instead of claiming to know things the doubters don't know, why don't you say what you know? Your posts very often are full of doubters' names but not one refers to the things you want us to believe you to know.

As I can see the doubters pointed out the copy-pastes and many other things explaining what makes them doubt. You haven't provided a single explanation except using the future tenses like "yo'll see" and conditionals "if you had heard...".

What are we supposed to see in the future and what should have we heard that we haven't and that you have? Why don't you clearly answer my question?
 
Once again... everybody should be working together to get the the truth out. No matter what you believe. It's not about who's right or wrong. Surely we just all want the cold hard truth. Right?
 
Well here we go again for the zillionth time our questions remain completely ignored and unawsered. Korgnex your silence to our questions just remove hell of a lot from your credibility. You criticize our posts and tell us to wake up, but you turn simply blind and deaf to our questions. When you have other arguments than criticizing the doubters, please share, because so far you have shared zero information about the Cascio tracks.
 
I'm 100% sure that he didn't hear those "rough demos" where the vocals sound like MJ.
 
OnirMJ said:
I'm 100% sure that he didn't hear those "rough demos" where the vocals sound like MJ.
Click to expand...


I dunno, but what is annoying is always assumption taht we should have heard something or that we should know something. But we haven't heard that something he refers to. We don't know that something he seems to know. So my question is very simple: what is that we should have heard and what is that we should know and also what is that will be funny in the future? He's been posting these posts since this thread opened and nothing ever has occured the way he said it. So it is maybe time to share what he knows instead of telling us to wake up. I wanna wake up, but his arguments are becoming like lullabies.
 
WildStyle said:
Once again... everybody should be working together to get the the truth out. No matter what you believe. It's not about who's right or wrong. Surely we just all want the cold hard truth. Right?
Click to expand...

The problem is that believers are satisfied with the official statement.
For most of them it's ok that "MJ" sounded like that.
 
Lucilla said:
The problem is that believers are satisfied with the official statement.
For most of them it's ok that "MJ" sounded like that.
Click to expand...
I suppose you're right. Which is a shame because it means the fan community can't unite on this issue.
 
Korgnex said:
It's a stupid assumption to call those noises on KYHU and BN a "snort".
It just shows that you have NOT heard the earlier mixes (unleaked), they make it clear there's no "snort" anywhere.
Feel free to continue believing in this lie and other ones.

@teli-mj: Unlike Birchey I have no interest to make sensitive information public or invent stories like he did (again: "rough demos" is the biggest lie ever talked about here).

Not to mention TPIMaster's inability to recognize what's wrong with his infamous comparison clip called "Yogurt"...
No other doubter is recognizing it as well. Guess why? The contradictions between the doubters are always being ignored in order to keep up the common frustration and hatred towards the imagined enemy.
Click to expand...

Those snorts are indeed on the versions that were collected from Eddie Cascio. It is absolutely impossible that you could have heard an even earlier mix unless you were on the Angelikson production team. Absolutely impossible. They are human snorts which match exactly to the snorts on JM songs. You are deliberately spreading misinformation with nothing to back it up. And don't call me stupid, otherwise I will call you exactrly what we all know you are.
 
Korgnex said:
It is an unproven claim that the noise you hear on Teddy's mix would be a "snort". If you heard the earlier mixes of it, you would understand why this claim is nonsense. I have already told you it's a production artefact and nothing else.

So your "at least one clear sort" is the arrogance I'm talking about. You don't have sufficient information to back up such ridiculous claims that have been declared as so-called "facts" for months. They can easily be refuted.

The same goes for how some of Teddy's statements have been - intentionally or not - distorted and how he's been ridiculed about because of that and became one of your preferred targets (you guys know why you always type "beLIEver" as well). He did NOT lie when he said he messed up Michael's vocals with Melodyne. It is true. However he wasn't the only producer, he was simply the finisher. You have to realize that he didn't say anything more or less. It is simply your assumption what to make of this limited information and unfortunately you guys are believing this would be an attempt to explain the vocals - but it isn't in any way.
Birchey has never heard any rough vocals, all the tracks he could acquire have already been worked on by professionals in the industry. That's all I want to say (and have said several times before).
Click to expand...

The snort is on the mix that was collected from Eddie Cascio on July 10th 2010. It is not the result of anything Teddy Riley did. Unless you think Brawley did it. Well we all know what he did do.
 
Paw said:
Well,the streamed Breaking News and album version are different.The differences are not that huge like Michael Jackson to Barry White,but you can hear Michael's voice less robotish,the background voice lower,etc.That's what "wrong mix" means.
I saw the waveform analysis which you guys posted.It's not professional enough.So the "identical" is not identical like you guys said.
Click to expand...

Utter nonsense.
 
It doesn't matter if that snort in BN is really Malachi's snort or is it some sort of production glich (I think it's real). Also, it's not that important how early those early versions are. What matters is that, thanks to Birchey or whoever we've gotten to hear all of the Cascio songs. Not one, not three but all tvelve tracks that were supposedly performed by Michael Jackson and that don't sound like him but very much like Jason Cupeta. Thats enough material to realize that he(MJ) is not the real singer and to know that all attempts to explain their weirdness are pure fantasy.
We may not know all the details of what happened behind the scenes and how it all went down therefore we resort to theories based on what we know or what we think we know and sometimes we can be proven wrong. But I'm sure as hell we're right about the authenticity and identity of the real singer. There's simply no other logical explanation and I advise all believers to finally face the reality and join us. You will feel less embarrassed when the truth is publicly known. And it's just a matter of time.
 
Last edited:
Paw said:
Well,the streamed Breaking News and album version are different.The differences are not that huge like Michael Jackson to Barry White,but you can hear Michael's voice less robotish,the background voice lower,etc.That's what "wrong mix" means.
I saw the waveform analysis which you guys posted.It's not professional enough.So the "identical" is not identical like you guys said.
Click to expand...


Well, my analysis was not just about the waveforms being identical by just looking and comparing them. In the snapshot I took (and I'll gladly make a video of me doing it again) I proved they were identical in both mix and volume and whatnot by "knocking out" the waveforms. Basically, if you take two identical sounds and invert one of them, then mix them together (you can try this yourself, just take any song you have on your computer and copy it so you have two MP3's or Wav files of it) you'll end up with complete silence. A straight line in the waveform. If the case was that one of the Breaking News files was indeed a different mix in any way, some sound artifacts (a vocal or instrument) would still be heard (or seen in the waveform) and in this case that didn't happen. So the conclusion is that they are the exact same mix, there was no "other mix" of Breaking News..
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Also Korgnex, instead of claiming to know things the doubters don't know, why don't you say what you know? Your posts very often are full of doubters' names but not one refers to the things you want us to believe you to know.

As I can see the doubters pointed out the copy-pastes and many other things explaining what makes them doubt. You haven't provided a single explanation except using the future tenses like "yo'll see" and conditionals "if you had heard...".

What are we supposed to see in the future and what should have we heard that we haven't and that you have? Why don't you clearly answer my question?
Click to expand...

I am wai'in for Korgnex's juicy details with as much bated breath for evidence for the Cascio tracks :smilerolleyes:
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top