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Petrarose
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BUMP; try playing some Cascio to your boy
Then Bumper's boy would start asking for mon mon (monster) and break do dos (breaking news). Of course Bumper will soon set him straight, but why torment a small child and ruin his ear.
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My boys are very selective when it comes to MJ, they only pick up the classic ones: Bad, Billie Jean, Beat It, Dirty Diana, Smooth Criminal, WBSS, ...
They have already heard "Monster" and asked if it was MJ, I didn't answer the question because I didn't want to influence them. However when they heard "Breaking News" they haven't even asked whether it was MJ, nor did they ever asked to listen to songs like Monster or BN.
I have to say that they also heard some Jasno Malachi's songs, they also asked whether it was MJ, then I of course answered "no". Anyway, they never asked to listen to his songs. They only swear by above mentioned ones.
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^Very clever children indeed!!!
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Michael got back with Sony and did many projects like Number Ones, Ultimate Collection, Essentials, Visionary, Thriller 25, King Of Pop, The Collection box set, This Is It concert (Since it was promoted on MichaelJackson.com and that site is controlled by Sony Music).
His problem was with Tommy Mottola not the new executives or the company.
Did Michael Jackson at any time in his life say "Don't buy my music"?
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Where were you in 2001?
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Come on guys. Who did Motolla represent? Himself?
We're not talking about socializing here, but about a big corporation who had a representative and who did what was in the interest of that corporation.
We're not talking about socializing here, but about a big corporation who had a representative and who did what was in the interest of that corporation.
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Seems like this topic died after Bad25...
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The thread is not dead. It is pending. Everyone is entitled to be happy for the BAD25 release. And if the Estate and SONY and the dear Cascio friends hadn't screwed up with the infamous Cascio songs we would have never had this thread in the first place. BAD 25 proves we're all MJ's fans. This thread proves they screwed up with the release of controversial tracks.
I don't want to start something but Michael never said "don't buy my music". Actually in 2001 there were organized Invincible buying events. Despite of all his issues, he never asked for a boycott of his own music.
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And who said to boycott his music? There is a huge difference between denouncing the wrongdoings of the company and boycotting a product. Nobody is advocating for a boycott but for Michael's respect. I clearly remember how it all went before Invincible was released and after it was released. People seem to have short memory or talk about things they hadn't witnessed.
the reason I wrote that because to ADKI's message that "Michael's issue was with Mottola and he never said to boycott his music", you replied "where were you in 2001?". Probably everyone will have a differenting opinions about the 2001 event but the fact remains that even despite of his problems Michael never wanted a boycott of his music. That's all.
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It is obvious, and I stated it right after that MJ's problem was indeed with Motolla as a company, hence with SONY, not with Motolla as a neighbor, friend or a person on a social level. Adki's statement was twisting the reality.
Just to refresh some memories:
Who wanted the Beatles catallogue? Motolla personally or his company SONY?
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Many projects? Adki, you take all MJ's solo albums you copy paste some of the songs to another CD and you have your:
Number Ones, Ultimate Collection (no new song there, just unreleased stuff among which the latest was intended for Invincible), Essentials, Visionary (with screwed up video quality), Thriller 25 (the only thing MJ worked on, but kept it to the minimum), King Of Pop, The Collection Box Set. I am trying to see what MJ actually did with SONY with all these releases? Not a thing. Everything was already recorded long before they released those "best ofs".
It was supposed to be MJ's come back. The concerts would have allowed him to solve the issue with his lack of cash and of course at the same time re-launch his professional career. MJ was much more careful with SONY, there were no one billion contract signatures or ten album projects as he did it in 1991 causing him much trouble and turmoil around 2001.
When you have a problem with a person you solve it personally and not in the media. He clearly had problems with the one (no matter who) who represented SONY. If it had been another person, he would have had problems with that other person and not with Motolla. SONY wanted to have it all and Motolla was just SONY's instrument. I highly doubt that Motolla wanted MJ's Beatles catallogue for his personal collection.
Did Michael Jackson support the claims such as:
-Motolla the devil
Yes he did.
Did Michael Jackson support the claims such as:
-SONY IS PHONEY
-$ONY SUCKS, PROMOTE INVINCIBLE NOW
yes he did.
So why ignoring the latter?
MJ did not say "don't buy my music". On the contrary he said SONY didn't promote his album Invincible the way he wanted it to be promoted. Now think, without promotion, who is encouraging the album not to be bought?
Makes no sense that SONY doesn't promote MJ? Yes it does make sense. Because at that time MJ had already been sitting on the throne and despite negative press, MJ was still the King Of Pop. The living legend. SONY didn't need to promote MJ. SONY used MJ's name as a promotiopn for themselves, especially with a long awaited album thet they dropped in 2001.
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Sorry for multiple posts, but I am trying to avoid too long posts.
Now compare your list of Michael's "projects" with SONY with the 80s era when he was not depending on that contract with them in a decade, let's say the 80s:
1980: Triumph
+Tour
1981: Live
1982: Thriller
+ E.T. Storybook + Someone In The Dark
1983: Thriller video (Making Of)
1984: Victory
+Tour + Pepsi commercials
1985: We are the world
1986: Captain EO in 3D (when nobody was doing 3D, he was doing it. Now that everyone does it, they release VHS quality)
1987: Bad
+Tour + Pepsi commercials
1988: Moonwalker
1989: 2300 Jackson Street, LA Gear commercial, projects for "Do The Bartman" released in 1990.
etc.
Now that's what I call "projects". Your list, i am sorry to say it, but is nothing else than copy-pasted material and wrapped as best-ofs.
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^ Yes... what now
Well Michael was complaining too for years from 2001 and on. And for a reason. He was even afraid to be killed.
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^ I know...
But we aren't Michael. And today is a new day... If I remained re-chewing the (ugly things of the) past (and OK it can be good to refer to the past) I would have killed myself a long time ago...
I think we have to look at how are things NOW. It is NOT ALWAYS so, that history repeats ALWAYS itself and things will be screwed up over and over again. We don't have to be fatalistic and bitter till the end of our days...
Lucky are the ones that can and really (that is : without bitterness in their hearts). Look at NOW.
(Sorry, don't want to preach... ignore this post.)
But we aren't Michael. And today is a new day... If I remained re-chewing the (ugly things of the) past (and OK it can be good to refer to the past) I would have killed myself a long time ago...
I think we have to look at how are things NOW. It is NOT ALWAYS so, that history repeats ALWAYS itself and things will be screwed up over and over again. We don't have to be fatalistic and bitter till the end of our days...
Lucky are the ones that can
and really (that is : without bitterness in their hearts). Look at NOW.(Sorry, don't want to preach... ignore this post.)
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^ I know...
But we aren't Michael. And today is a new day... If I remained re-chewing the (ugly things of the) past (and OK it can be good to refer to the past) I would have killed myself a long time ago...
I think we have to look at how are things NOW. It is NOT ALWAYS so, that history repeats ALWAYS itself and things will be screwed up over and over again. We don't have to be fatalistic and bitter till the end of our days...
Lucky are the ones that can
And how are the things right now?
Controversial songs (no backup proof) & low quality videos. That's how it's now.
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OK. Yes, that was 2010 (already past). Jan 2013 (future) maybe will explain a bit more about it. NOW we are between the past and the future releases, Bad 25 and the next, (and not to forget the date in Jan 2013).
Well the logic is maybe : "Don't screw up like you did in the past.". But, honestly, when people kept saying that to you, how would become your feelings towards that people... you would start to ignore them. So, what I think is that all this "Don't screw up like you did in the past" in the end can become contra-productive for our wishes... It's a pedagogic thing... I think the thing to do is say and insist "WE WANT... if it is possible". And not making someones look the devil
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OK. Yes, that was 2010 (already past). Jan 2013 (future) maybe will explain a bit more about it. NOW we are between the past and the future releases, Bad 25 and the next, (and not to forget the date in Jan 2013).
Well the logic is maybe : "Don't screw up like you did in the past.". But, honestly, when people kept saying that to you, how would become your feelings towards that people... you would start to ignore them. So, what I think is that all this "Don't screw up like you did in the past" in the end can become contra-productive for our wishes... It's a pedagogic thing... I think the thing to do is say and insist "WE WANT... if it is possible". And not making someones look the devil
As long as a situation remains unsolved it is not a past, but still a present problem.
Nothing is impossible. If amateurs out of love can do amazing things like this video of Threatened, a big company like SONY is able to do 10 times better if they put some effort to it. If you always ask "if it's possible" then you'll get the minimum. Michael was like a police officer demanding with himself and with the staff around himself. That idea of police officer watching what they do should remain in their minds. When it comes to MJ the word impossible shouldn't even exist.
MJ would clearly be happy if someone managed to properly make a video or do a project. For example look at Threatened videos. A mini film could be built around it with special effects thanks to the lyrics. When the logic of money figures will be replaced by the creativity?
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@ B Snippet : Hm... Yes, will not look at clips by now, on mobile mode. But I read good constructive things now! Please, yes, keep your attention, CONSTRUCTIVE (sorry for capitals, can't underline or bold now) constructive critics are good for every project! (note : you know of course, "constructive" is not equal to always nodding "oh it's good", but it is also not equal to destructive critics. (except for Mottola's lol).)
Now ^^ post : By the way I saw the Mottola-clip, yes I know that interview. Mottola "seems" not to know much, he says I BELIEVE (...unreleased files are with...)
... Sorry, I wrote a reaction to your post but something crashed. Not rewriting all of it, but I wonder what was really his function at Michael-album time and what is it now? Does he still have a real function at Sony or is he there for some interests (he possesses something or whatever?) My feeling for that interview is that Mottola was looking for notoriety...
Now ^^ post : By the way I saw the Mottola-clip, yes I know that interview. Mottola "seems" not to know much, he says I BELIEVE (...unreleased files are with...)
... Sorry, I wrote a reaction to your post but something crashed. Not rewriting all of it, but I wonder what was really his function at Michael-album time and what is it now? Does he still have a real function at Sony or is he there for some interests (he possesses something or whatever?) My feeling for that interview is that Mottola was looking for notoriety...
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When asking for creativity and up-to-date quality is nothing else than constructive, that's why I posted the videos as an example of what is possible to do.
Regarding Motolla, he's been a very powerful man within SONY as for 1993. He's the one that makes money for SONY (and for himself).
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