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Michael - The Great Album Debate

Arklove said:
Well, whether it's Michael or not, the very fact that they put these songs on the album just goes to show that the people responsible think Mike is just that easily replaced...either by some fancy studio trickery or an impostor...It's just wrong...
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I totally agree
 
ADKIc3mAnX said:
You have to understand this is a POSTHUMOUS album he is not here with us to make a decision any more now it's up to the estate and the people who worked with him for over 20 years.

No one really knows what he would have wanted on these Cascio songs maybe he wanted them maybe not.




Update: The "Michael" album sold 405,000 copies in 2010 in the U.S according to the Billboard.
http://www.billboard.com/news/music...-40-money-makers-2011-1005031152.story?page=2
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We do know. He wouldn't have wanted them.He had told it a million times so we can be absolutely sure that Michael Jackson, the artist, would have been disgusted by the way that his estate and Sony handled his posthumous work. Releasing half finished tracks, with copy pasted add-libs and questionable vocals probably sung by an imposter. And all of this just for the sake of sales and money. And you really try to tell to me that we don't know what MJ might have wanted.

You have to understand this is a POSTHUMOUS album he is not here with us to make a decision any more now it's up to the estate and the people who worked with him for over 20 years.
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Just because of the fact that he is dead and can't decide for himself, people should respect him and his wishes. But i guess money and Billboard records and sales are more important right?
 
Calisto said:
There is no proof that Michael Jackson worked on these twelve songs.
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And you know this how ?

There is no proof that there is no proof


Like I said many times there might be videos, pictures, etc but Eddie might not want to release it because it may show Michael is a way that he would not want to be seen or SONY/Estate now owns it since they bought the right to the songs and the contract said that they get all material connected to these songs.






@teli-mj FYI I put the Billboard sales because it was just recently posted on the Billboard and I didn't want to double post.

And these tracks were demos but then again where are they going to get new vocals from ?
Ad-libs been used for ages so I see nothing wrong with it.

They are releasing music for Michael to continue his legacy.







@love is magical Some fans will like it and some might not but Sony/Estate paid a lot of money for these songs so I'm sure they will release some day.
 
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Arklove said:
Well, whether it's Michael or not, the very fact that they put these songs on the album just goes to show that the people responsible think Mike is just that easily replaced...either by some fancy studio trickery or an impostor...It's just wrong...
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Precisely why these songs are not fair to Michael. They think Michael is that easily replaceable. Sorry, no studio magic or layers of supporting vocals can even be deemed close to Michael.

ADKIc3mAnX said:
Like I said many times there might be videos, pictures, etc but Eddie might not want to release it because it may show Michael is a way that he would not want to be seen or SONY/Estate now owns it since they bought the right to the songs and the contract said that they get all material connected to these songs.
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So, you think Eddie might have concern that Michael didn't want his fans to see videos that might not have shown him in the best light. But, the same Eddie had no concern about releasing demos that Michael would never have released.

And, I wonder why the doubters are being perceived as illogical all along.
 
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ADKIc3mAnX said:
There is no proof that there is no proof
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What is this....? I don't even....

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I'm sorry...but....really?
 
Sorry guys if i see the word proof or prove one more time im gonna be dizzy in a min lol
 
ADKIc3mAnX said:
You guys always talking about proof well how do you know that there aren't any videos or pictures ?
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Since Day 1, we've been begging them to be more forth coming and provide something more concrete.

If they continue to release half-baked materials and call them "songs Michael Jackson worked on and would like to share with fans", they are going to cheapen Michael's catalog.

Michael built his own legacy. His legacy was solidified way before 2009. His legacy doesn't depend on cheap posthumous releases. Never will.

Honestly, I don't care how much the Estate and Sony lose if they don't release any more Cascio track, just consider them bad investment and write them off. Every business makes bad decision all the time. of course, Sony would never think like this. I'm not that naive.
 
ADKIc3mAnX said:
You guys always talking about proof well how do you know that there aren't any videos or pictures ?
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There very well could be....But you're asking the wrong question....WHERE is the proof? When fans were down these guys' throats about these songs, they showed NOTHING to provide any indication Michael was involved in these songs.....No paper trail, no stories, no handwritten lyrics...Even Joe Vogel couldn't get any info about these tracks...Don't you find that a little suspicious? It doesn't prove that MJ didn't sing these songs, but it certainly contributes to the doubt we're all having..

My God, I'd be so proud to have worked with Michael I would have shown everything I could, not just to PROVE it, but to share an incredible experience working with a musical genius....

Instead, what does Eddie do? He goes on Oprah and says, 'This is Michael's voice...I was there, pushing buttons'....While he shows a pic of a mic stand and a few pillows, sans Michael...
 
8701girl said:
Sorry guys if i see the word proof or prove one more time im gonna be dizzy in a min lol
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:lol:

love is magical said:
Honestly, I don't care how much the Estate and Sony lose if they don't release any more Cascio track, just consider them bad investment and write them off. Every business makes bad decision all the time. of course, Sony would never think like this. I'm not that naive.
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Agree.
I can see them releasing the rest of the tracks. :mellow:
 
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@nasty, who is forever lurking...can you say SOMETHING? Even a fart would suffice :D
 
love is magical said:
Since Day 1, we've been begging them to be more forth coming and provide something more concrete.

If they continue to release half-baked materials and call them "songs Michael Jackson worked on and would like to share with fans", they are going to cheapen Michael's catalog.

Michael built his own legacy. His legacy was solidified way before 2009. His legacy doesn't depend on cheap posthumous releases. Never will.

Honestly, I don't care how much the Estate and Sony lose if they don't release any more Cascio track, just consider them bad investment and write them off. Every business makes bad decision all the time. of course, Sony would never think like this. I'm not that naive.
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Yes Michael built his own legacy that will live on forever but posthumous releases are really important because it adds to that legacy and in the future our grand kids will have more than we did and remember MJ's words "The best is yet to come".



Update: I never knew that Monster was added to the Michael Jackson iTunes Essentials
http://itunes.apple.com/us/playlist/next-steps/id51821002?wm=2

Take that back my friend mentioned it once a while ago.
 
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ADKIc3mAnX said:
Yes Michael built his own legacy that will live on forever but posthumous releases are really important because it adds to that legacy and in the future our grand kids will have more than we did and remember MJ's words "The best is yet to come".
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Michael is gone. He had already given us his best. He gave us more than enough to remember him by. Posthumous release is meaningless if not done with a goal to honor the artist.

With Michael now gone, the best is already over. Get over it.
 
love is magical said:
Michael is gone. He had already given us his best. He gave us more than enough to remember him by. Posthumous release is meaningless if not done with a goal to honor the artist.

With Michael now gone, the best is already over. Get over it.
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Get over it ? Really you are the one that needs to get over it.

If you think the Michael Jackson estate released fake music do me a favor sue the MJ Estate, Sony, Epic Records, Teddy Riley, The Cascio's, 50 Cent and get me and the other few millons who bought the album some $$$.
 
ADKIc3mAnX said:
No get over the hate for the Cascio's that you seem to have.


Attacking someone without proof except YOUR ears does not make it the truth.
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Have you actually been reading any of the posts from the doubters in this thread? Since when does wanting respect and dignity for Mike's art and music make us Cascio haters? Do not throw that word around here as if it applies...It doesn't...

Where's the attack? Where's the hate?

All I see are fans voicing their displeasure and extreme disappointment for the way Michael's music has been treated as if he's easily replaced....

You've been following this thread for a while now, and you've seen us post after post, do you really not GET IT?

I'm not trying to be rude, but you really need to understand our position before you go around calling others haters when that isn't the case at all...Yes, there are Cascio haters, but that's not us...
 
Arklove said:
Have you actually been reading any of the posts from the doubters in this thread? Since when does wanting respect and dignity for Mike's art and music make us Cascio haters? Do not throw that word around here as if it applies...It doesn't...

Where's the attack? Where's the hate?

All I see are fans voicing their displeasure and extreme disappointment for the way Michael's music has been treated as if he's easily replaced....

You've been following this thread for a while now, and you've seen us post after post, do you really not GET IT?

I'm not trying to be rude, but you really need to understand our position before you go around calling others haters when that isn't the case at all...Yes, there are Cascio haters, but that's not us...
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Ummm...

So calling the Cascio's liars and claiming that they hired a vocalist to fill in the blanks is not attacking Eddie ?

I don't see people attacking Neff U since he created the music for Best Of Joy since when he got the song it was just an a cappella.

I don't see Akon being attacked for adding vocals and editing the song, don't you want it the way MJ left it ?

I don't see people attacking John McClain for adding the vocals from the Dangerous tour to Behind The Mask

But when we see the Cascio tracks it is wrong that they added ad-libs to fill the blanks and complete the song posthumously.
 
^^ If you haven't got it by now from our posts throughout the thread, you never will.

You enjoy your Cascio songs.
 
Arklove said:
^^ If you haven't got it by now from our posts throughout the thread, you never will.

You enjoy your Cascio songs.
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Do I enjoy them ? Hell yeah I do but it's not because I like them that I protect them I protect them because I don't want to see MJ's music go down like this.
 
ADKIc3mAnX said:
Get over it ? Really you are the one that needs to get over it.

If you think the Michael Jackson estate released fake music do me a favor sue the MJ Estate, Sony, Epic Records, Teddy Riley, The Cascio's, 50 Cent and get me and the other few millons who bought the album some $$$.
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You just refuse to listen to anyone who don't share your passion in the Cascio tracks. You know what? I don't mind being called a doubter because I do have doubt. I don't know what to believe. But, that doesn't make me a hater.

You keep saying Michael's legacy needs posthumous release and "the best is yet to come". Really? So, studio trickery can not only replace Michael, but also create the best work that bears the name Michael Jackson? Sometimes, I really wonder why posthumous release means so much to you. What's wrong with the legacy catalog?

And, dont worry about Michael's music going down. Billie Jean is still Billie Jean. This debate has nothing to do with Michael's classics. Michael's music will last till eternity. It doesn't depend on you or me or John Branca. Michael's music speaks for itself.

Now, get over it. Michael is dead. Nobody will be able to give you his best, but himself.
 
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