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Michael - The Great Album Debate

Gaz said:
Don't comment on something you clearly have no clue about, I have since explained to to stella that it was about the groups in MJJC NOT the damn cascio ish, so I will kindly ask you stay out of it as its nothing of your concern.

Not to mention I take offence to your inaccurate account on my standing in all this, which I can not even be bothered to challenge you on.
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How should I have known that you had since explained that to Stella? I just saw your comment and it looked like you were saying it's the fans who are to blame for the divison. So disagreed with it. What's the problem? You could've simply just replied to saying "it's not about that, it's about the groups, which I have already explained to Stella".

Relax.

Chamife said:
Kudo's to Mjtheuniqueking and many thanks.

Can't get any clearer.
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Kudos to TPIMaster actually, who made these.
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Well, Michael never really ignored them. His children are in the middle of the nest of "bad, bad wolves" such as the Jacksons.



Which means it's a lie. Which also means they could lie for other things and to the fans as well.
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I mean the Jacksons are a good family they protect one another but IMO they like $$$ and if they don't get it they will go against that person or company.
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Well, Michael never really ignored them. His children are in the middle of the nest of "bad, bad wolves" such as the Jacksons.



Which means it's a lie. Which also means they could lie for other things and to the fans as well.
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One more thing lying to Taryll is not fraud lying to the public about 3 songs and these forensic tests is.
 
ADKIc3mAnX (Yes, I copy pasted it, because there's no way anyone can spell this)

Please stop double posting, I've seen you double post triple post since you came here, and it's getting really annoying... Just use the edit button like everyone else.
 
Pentum said:
Kudos to TPIMaster actually, who made these.
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Aha! Had no clue who Mjtheuniqueking was, only that he made great comparisons. So, kudos to TPIMaster. Confusing, all these different usernames, lol.

ETA: Oh...oops. Just noticed you already posted these. I thought you posted 'old' ones, so I didn't check them...:doh:

Could've known you already heard these, hahaha!!

On the other hand: Can't post them enough.
 
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Gaz said:
And that is exactly my reason for asking you to stay out of it, yet you had to chip in with your inaccurate offering let alone the sharpe dig at my standing in all this, this was an issue between me and Stella not me and Pentum, so no I will not relax when others feel it fit to make it their business.
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Haha, see however you want to see it.

Peace.
 
ADKIc3mAnX said:
I mean the Jacksons are a good family they protect one another but IMO they like $$$ and if they don't get it they will go against that person or company.
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They are bad, but they are good. Now that makes sense lol. And when Cascio sold the songs, or when Frank wrote the book, they didn't like $$$?

Please stop judging who is good or bad or both at the same time, because you don't know people.

The only potential liars inhere are those who said to Taryll that there are no traces of recorded material. If the songs are genuine,then something is wrong. If the songs are fake, then taht would make Cascio liars too, but beforehand, it has to be proven.

I don't see any reason to call Taryll a liar either.

ADKIc3mAnX said:
One more thing lying to Taryll is not fraud lying to the public about 3 songs and these forensic tests is.
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I did not say that, did I?

I said if they lied to Taryll, then it means that in some regards those who lie cannot be trustworthy. They could lie to anyone about anything, especially if there is no trace whatsoever. And up to this point we as a matter of fact have no single trace that MJ recorded those songs, do we?. Do you have it? Where is it?
 
StellaJackson said:
The tests are irrelevant because a) there is no evidence they ever took place b) the supposed experts would have been paid by sony and sony would have wanted a positive outcome c) they could have done nothing more than asked them their opinion without actually testing anythig. d) as evidenced by bumper, wave testing is highly subjective

And most importantly, they aren't the real experts. We are. We listen to Michael every day. We are fully aware of Jason. They probably didn't even know who Jason was, let alone compare to any of his vocals. Why so much faith is put in some tests which we know nothing about is strange, but I guess people are always inclined to believe that kind of thing.
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We are his fans but these people (Experts) have their ways of testing voices that the human ear can't do like wave testing and many others that can compare 2 voices and see if it's a match like DNA.

The way you put it there is no way you'll be proven wrong because Sony and the estate hired them we didn't so they got paid for their services.


Now if fans want to hire a expert and have it checked that's something else.
 
Pentum said:
ADKIc3mAnX (Yes, I copy pasted it, because there's no way anyone can spell this)

Please stop double posting, I've seen you double post triple post since you came here, and it's getting really annoying... Just use the edit button like everyone else.
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Listen if it's not about the same thing then I'm not gonna edit it on something that has nothing to do with it.
 
ADKIc3mAnX said:
We are his fans but these people (Experts) have their ways of testing voices that the human ear can't do like wave testing and many others that can compare 2 voices and see if it's a match like DNA.

The way you put it there is no way you'll be proven wrong because Sony and the estate hired them we didn't so they got paid for their services.


Now if fans want to hire a expert and have it checked that's something else.
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Please, read about forensic audio experts, musicology and forensic music experts, dna, "voiceprint", ear (and brain), neurolinguistics, linguistics, phonology, and the liability of any voice recognition in different countries and what they worth legally speaking, and how they test audio files, before issuing such statement and before basing your opinion on experts' opinion.
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
They are bad, but they are good. Now that makes sense lol. And when Cascio sold the songs, or when Frank wrote the book, they didn't like $$$?

Please stop judging who is good or bad or both at the same time, because you don't know people.

The only potential liars inhere are those who said to Taryll that there are no traces of recorded material. If the songs are genuine,then something is wrong. If the songs are fake, then taht would make Cascio liars too, but beforehand, it has to be proven.

I don't see any reason to call Taryll a liar either.



I did not say that, did I?

I said if they lied to Taryll, then it means that in some regards those who lie cannot be trustworthy. They could lie to anyone about anything, especially if there is no trace whatsoever. And up to this point we as a matter of fact have no single trace that MJ recorded those songs, do we?. Do you have it? Where is it?
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I know but I said that in a way like

If you lie to Taryll they are risking much just trying to get him to leave.

Lying to millions of fans and selling them a product that contains these so called "Fake" songs which the vocalist is credited as Michael Jackson when it's not, is fraud and I don't think they would lie to us lik that.




I said the Jackson family likes $$$ but they care for one another and that was shown in 2003.
 
ADKIc3mAnX said:
Listen if it's not about the same thing then I'm not gonna edit it on something that has nothing to do with it.
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Double-posting is a violation of forum posting rule. It has nothing to do with the contends of your posts. It's about keeping the thread organized. Some other forums have very strict posting rules and issue warning to people who double post. MJJC is more lenient. Or, shall I say it's more lenient in this particular thread. I'm a frequent offender of double posting, especially when I'm on my phone and multi quote is not an option. But, we all should try to not double, triple or quadruple post.
 
ADKIc3mAnX said:
I know but I said that in a way like

If you lie to Taryll they are risking much just trying to get him to leave.

Lying to millions of fans and selling them a product that contains these so called "Fake" songs which the vocalist is credited as Michael Jackson when it's not, is fraud and I don't think they would lie to us lik that.




I said the Jackson family likes $$$ but they care for one another and that was shown in 2003.
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Frauds do happen. I already gave some instances where some people did fraud and fooled fans. It wouldn't be the first time. So I have no reason to believe their approximate and vague statement rather than any substantial and tangible proof:

-no lyrics
-no worktapes
-no traces
-no outtakes
-no claps
-hiccups pasted
-words inserted within sentences with different voice timbres
-unedited snorts
-unusual shaky vibratos

etc, those are what our ears hear, doubters' and believers'. Those are the facts.

Up to you to:

1) believe those facts and persuade yourself (or let be persuade by experts) that those voice marks are MJ's or
2) believe those facts and persuade yourself (or let not be persuaded by experts -who are thy anyway?) that those voice marks are NOT MJ's.
 
Arklove said:
Instead he slinks away, we don't hear and still haven't heard any tid bits of info about these songs...They're so obscure...No hand written notes...no anecdotes, no memories, no stories...No trace of anything...Just cool cat Eddie pushing buttons and showing pics of an empty mic stand surrounded by pillows...Yes, yes it's MJ...Please believe me!

:wtf:

Gimme a break
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obscure [?b?skj??]
adj
1. unclear or abstruse
2. indistinct, vague, or indefinite
3. inconspicuous or unimportant
4. hidden, secret, or remote
5. (Linguistics / Phonetics & Phonology) (of a vowel) reduced to or transformed into a neutral vowel (?)
6. gloomy, dark, clouded, or dim



Yup, that's the right word.
 
Chamife said:
obscure [?b?skj??]
adj
1. unclear or abstruse
2. indistinct, vague, or indefinite
3. inconspicuous or unimportant
4. hidden, secret, or remote
5. (Linguistics / Phonetics & Phonology) (of a vowel) reduced to or transformed into a neutral vowel (?)
6. gloomy, dark, clouded, or dim



Yup, that's the right word.
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That was clear :D
 
Chamife said:
Hahaha! No one used that word before. And it's exactly what they are.

Just making it clearer to understand.
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Yeah, and besides the obvious problems with the vocals, it`s exactly why we should be suspicious...
 
love is magical said:
Double-posting is a violation of forum posting rule. It has nothing to do with the contends of your posts. It's about keeping the thread organized. Some other forums have very strict posting rules and issue warning to people who double post. MJJC is more lenient. Or, shall I say it's more lenient in this particular thread. I'm a frequent offender of double posting, especially when I'm on my phone and multi quote is not an option. But, we all should try to not double, triple or quadruple post.
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It was my first double post IDK why did Pentum got all crazy about it.

U P D A T E: Now IDK if my browser is posting 2 of the same exact posts for me if someone wants to Gyazo.com me a photo and show me what their talking about.
 
I've been watching a LOT of bad pop song reviews from the past few years... I have no faith in this industry whatsoever.
 
Jesta said:
I've been watching a LOT of bad pop song reviews from the past few years... I have no faith in this industry whatsoever.
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Yeah, like the one comparing Katy Perry`s album to the Bad album :wtf:
 
Arklove said:
Yeah, like the one comparing Katy Perry`s album to the Bad album :wtf:
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... WHAT. I have seen reviews of "E.T." and "California Gurls" and... No. There is NO way that she can be compared in lyrical, vocal or charismatic ability to Bad Era Michael F*ckin' Jackson! No. NO. WAY.
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Like in having intercourse with them? :puke:
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No, as in the way of burning down their houses for saying such blasphemy. I'm saving myself for someone I truly love and do NOT hate for saying such blasphemy... Probably take a couple dozen years, but I can wait... Maybe :p

Arklove said:
....with something hard and sand papery :D
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Yes!!

... In a non-sexual way :p
 
I went to a club last night, and not a single piece of melodic music was played...I kid you not...Every single song played the entire night was electronic, techno, thumping, crazy beats...I actually left because of how terrible the music was...lol
 
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