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Michael - The Great Album Debate

love is magical said:
I wholeheartedly agree with you. Instead of bringing me joy, the Michael album reminds me of Michael's absence even more so. The album is very hard for me to listen to. I almost never touch it. I wish I could love Best of Joy more. But, it's too painful for me. Michael Jackson was a genius, a tremendously talented vocalist and a perfectionist. No one can replicate his magic. Hence, the posthumous release sounds lacking. When I listen to Michael, I look for more than a hook. Heck, there are many great hooks in today's music Justin Bieber's Baby and Lady Gaga's Edge of Glory have great hooks. The chorus of Baby sticks in my mind the whole day. I look for a connection with Michael emotionally when i listen to him. When I was 11 and barely spoke any English, I was able to understand BOW and HTW. Michael's gift is that he's able to connect with people all over the world with his VOICE. To top that gift, he was also a great lyricist. TDCAU is daring. TDCAU inspires me to read more about The Civil Right Movement. Speechless is poetic. Posthumous release can not be compared to Michael's legacy catalog. Posthumous release, by nature, is other's people work. They try to replicate Michael's magic. Some did okay. Some failed miserably. Saying the Cascio tracks among Michael's finest is like calling Free As A Bird John Lennon's best - something I am not able to comprehend. I accept the reality, but it doesn't mean I have to appreciate and like songs that don't speak to me.
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Listening to Michael I only do online, YT mostly, when I'm in front of my comp. I get sad when I'm alone and put on a cd. On the rare ocassion when I do put in a cd, 'You rock my world' is one of the few songs that cheer me up and make me dance( "darkchillllll"....lol). Love that song.

I recognize what you say about being 11 and understanding what the song was about, even though English wasn't my first language. Not sure if I posted it here, I think I did, but I truly believe Michael's music (and also listening to other music) laid the foundation of my knowledge of the English language. Only had it a few years in high school.
I had a tape from the Destiny-performance in London. Listened to it A LOT. "Let me show you the way to go" was a song I knew by heart, still....after all those years and that is because the way Michael sang it. Honest, convinced, real. I could remember every word, every interaction with the audience when I saw the footage for the first time, after his death. That was a surreal experience. This time I actually saw him playing with the audience (First the left side of the audience, then the right, middle and then "Let's hit the top!!, lol! And when you see him perform, you also see he meant what he sang, he uses his whole body. And that came through on that tape I had. He didn't have a tight choreography with that song, so he improvised. And that's what I always love to see. It also shows what a good natural dancer he was.

BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Do you realize that none of your posts is about Michael's professionalism or perfectionism when talking about his songs? It all comes down to your personal liking of the Cascio songs without slightest questioning of his either vocals, lyrics or melody compared to all of his other songs.

With such arguments you can also say that Aqua has better songs than Michael Jackson, only because YOU like them (hypothetically speaking).
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Don't you like Barbie Girl, Bumper?

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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
The blue ones are in the lower category :D
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Can't get any lower than Neanderthaler.

love is magical said:
Arky, your eyes are here. I see them now.
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ivy said:
give us $10 and we'll give you your own set of dangerous eyes. :)
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Lol!
 
What evidence does the believer have that it is Michael son singing :) ?

And don't ask the question other way around.
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Didn't you see her next to me in that video?
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But to quote Michael: "[she's] cuter than that!"

OK, to put in perspective. These songs are like this (except not as good):


See that very visible absence of Michael's magic? Yeah, the same is said for these songs. Both have Michael (these songs have DRAMATICALLY less) but are based on him. Still interesting, but nothing you'd see/listen to more than once or twice. The real deal is always more appealing.
 
ADKIc3mAnX said:
Really ?

For one I pay close attention to the song while listening to it with good headphones and not rushing to say no it's not.
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Ok you convinced me. It's MJ. Case closed :D What can I say against such a rock solid proof argument? :D
 
ADKIc3mAnX said:
Really ?

For one I pay close attention to the song while listening to it with good headphones and not rushing to say no it's not.
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This reminds me the vet early stage of the debate. Some were suggesting people to listen with good headphones in order to hear michael's voice.

As I mentioned in my earlier post, my first Michael Jackson was Dangerous. It's a duped cassette tape. I didn't have good headphones. I listened with my yellow Walkman with cheap ear plug headphones. No noise cancellation. No extra base. No nothing. Michael still sounded like an angel.

So, does it make sense that different headphones make Michael sound less of himself?
 
love is magical said:
This reminds me the vet early stage of the debate. Some were suggesting people to listen with good headphones in order to hear michael's voice.

As I mentioned in my earlier post, my first Michael Jackson was Dangerous. It's a duped cassette tape. I didn't have good headphones. I listened with my yellow Walkman with cheap ear plug headphones. No noise cancellation. No extra base. No nothing. Michael still sounded like an angel.

So, does it make sense that different headphones make Michael sound less of himself?
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But he's got a solid proof. He closely listens to the songs. We don't. How can you even debate such a solid argument?
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
But he's got a solid proof. He closely listens to the songs. We don't. How can you even debate such a solid argument?
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But of course, the normal reaction for these songs is this:

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:D
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
The best! Michael doesn't reach their level of mastery.
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BARBIE GIRL
Hi Barbie
Hi Ken!
Do you wanna go for a ride?
Sure Ken!
Jump In...

I'm a barbie girl, in the barbie world
Life in plastic, it's fantastic!
you can brush my hair, undress me everywhere
Imagination, life is your creation
Come on Barbie, let's go party!

I'm a barbie girl, in the barbie world
Life in plastic, it's fantastic!
you can brush my hair, undress me everywhere
Imagination, life is your creation

I'm a blond bimbo girl, in the fantasy world
Dress me up, make it tight, I'm your dolly
You're my doll, rock'n'roll, feel the glamour in pink,
kiss me here, touch me there, hanky panky...
You can touch, you can play, if you say: "I'm always yours"

(uu-oooh-u)

I'm a barbie girl, in the barbie world
Life in plastic, it's fantastic!
you can brush my hair, undress me everywhere
Imagination, life is your creation

Come on Barbie, let's go party!
(Ah-ah-ah-yeah)
Come on Barbie, let's go party!
(uu-oooh-u)
Come on Barbie, let's go party!
(Ah-ah-ah-yeah)
Come on Barbie, let's go party!
(uu-oooh-u)

Make me walk, make me talk, do whatever you please
I can act like a star, I can beg on my knees
Come jump in, bimbo friend, let us do it again,
hit the town, fool around, let's go party
You can touch, you can play, if you say: "I'm always yours"
You can touch, you can play, if you say: "I'm always yours"

Come on Barbie, let's go party!
(Ah-ah-ah-yeah)
Come on Barbie, let's go party!
(uu-oooh-u)
Come on Barbie, let's go party!
(Ah-ah-ah-yeah)
Come on Barbie, let's go party!
(uu-oooh-u)

I'm a barbie girl, in the barbie world
Life in plastic, it's fantastic!
you can brush my hair, undress me everywhere
Imagination, life is your creation

I'm a barbie girl, in the barbie world
Life in plastic, it's fantastic!
you can brush my hair, undress me everywhere
Imagination, life is your creation

Come on Barbie, let's go party!
(Ah-ah-ah-yeah)
Come on Barbie, let's go party!
(uu-oooh-u)
Come on Barbie, let's go party!
(Ah-ah-ah-yeah)
Come on Barbie, let's go party!
(uu-oooh-u)

Oh, I'm having so much fun!
Well Barbie, we're just getting started
Oh, I love you Ken!

BURN 2 NIGHT
Read you from a mile away
Lips that makes it easy to adore
A taste of me
Let the fountain pour
Girl, I meant like, stand and see
Ooh I wanna taste you skin
Ooh I wanna
Girl, I gotta wonder
If we can drown again

If you can touch me again
Say we will dance
Light fire to my skin
We burn again

Girl I wanna testify
Ooh come on and let light eh fire
We can make it work tonight
Baby come on and let me light the fire

You can let me touch the fire
Ooh come, let me light the fire
You can make me burn tonight
Rain and thunder when you burn tonight

I can't believe we're burnin' hard right now
Feel the fire
We're burnin' like Hell came tonight
My soul desires (deciders)
I can't let nobody stop the thing we got
It makes you wonder
A friend of mine? Sexy wine?
Baby why you play me like a toy

When you say ''Take me again''
[ From: http://www.metrolyrics.com/burn-tonight-lyrics-michael-jackson.html ]
When that we dance
We passionately stop to burn again

Girl I wanna testify
Ooh come on and let light eh fire
We can make it work tonight
Baby come on and let me light the fire

You can let me touch the fire
Ooh come, let me light the fire
You can make me burn tonight
Rain and thunder when you burn tonight

(Light the fire)
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Well, Barbie is a toy who you can play with.

Now, seriously....now when I look at the lyrics, I think the lyrics of Barbie-girl are better. No kidding.
 
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^ LMAO, poor guy thinking he is doing a MJ cover and a tribute for MJ when all he is doing is doing a cover of Jason Malachi and doing a tribute for Jason Malachi. Win!
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
What are you insinuating? I've never had more convincing argument than "I closely listen to those songs".

For me that was it. I have become a believer now.
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Maybe you should change your siggy then: "I am a believer. I listen closely."

:D
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
What are you insinuating? I've never had more convincing argument than "I closely listen to those songs".

For me that was it. I have become a believer now.
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lol @"The Most Potent and Provocative"
 
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Nobody's posting any more. I suppose it's sex time :D

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maral said:
i've never (not that i recall) been to this forum because i believe:
1 Branca is a good guy
2 sony wouldn't risk faking songs
3 cascios really truly cared for MJ and wouldn't fake any tracks

however, someone who is anti estate posted this and it got me thinking http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LCEEX7bGiDQ#!
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1. I think he is.
2. Sony weren't involved in faking the songs.
3. People will do anything for money. Maybe Eddie thought he was helping Michael by creating material for him.
4. The video is nonsense.
 
maral said:
i've never (not that i recall) been to this forum because i believe:
1 Branca is a good guy
2 sony wouldn't risk faking songs
3 cascios really truly cared for MJ and wouldn't fake any tracks

however, someone who is anti estate posted this and it got me thinking http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LCEEX7bGiDQ#!
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Apparently they also had Jesus on that show. So it's up to people to believe whoever says what. Nothing factual there.
 
maral said:
i've never (not that i recall) been to this forum because i believe:
1 Branca is a good guy
2 sony wouldn't risk faking songs
3 cascios really truly cared for MJ and wouldn't fake any tracks

however, someone who is anti estate posted this and it got me thinking http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LCEEX7bGiDQ#!
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also listen carefully according to this guy his friend wanted to go to that castle because Michael Jackson recorded there and he wanted to record there but when there when the engineer tells him Michael recorded there for months he's asking "Michael Jackson recorded here?". Why? Wasn't that the reason that he went there in the first place and he already knew that?
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Apparently they also had Jesus on that show. So it's up to people to believe whoever says what. Nothing factual there.
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did NOT know that! thanx
ivy said:
also listen carefully according to this guy his friend wanted to go to that castle because Michael Jackson recorded there and he wanted to record there but when there when the engineer tells him Michael recorded there for months he's asking "Michael Jackson recorded here?". Why? Wasn't that the reason that he went there in the first place and he already knew that?
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oh ye now i hear that too. thanx for the heads up.

amazing how you can't trust ANYTHING anymore
 
maral said:
did NOT know that! thanx
oh ye now i hear that too. thanx for the heads up.

amazing how you can't trust ANYTHING anymore
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Well, people would do anything to attract audience. Listen to this radio show, I can guarantee you, you'll shiver:

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BUMPER SNIPPET;3579743 said:
Well, people would do anything to attract audience. Listen to this radio show, I can guarantee you, you'll shiver:

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that's just wow&#8230; and to think that people fall for this stuff.....
 
Guys,have You ever heard Marcus Joseph Wiliams? try his songs on youtube. Especially in ballads he is absolutely better than JM and JW. Sometimes his voice is so close to Michael.
 
Neeeeeeh. Don't think he sounds that similar to Michael. My friend is in his little brother's class, lol.
 
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