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Michael - The Great Album Debate

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Arklove said:
Why do I find this absolutely hilarious?
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'Orchestral' version? Well it isn't an 'orchestral' version. It's the same version with an 'orchestra' audio file tagged to the front-end of it.

'Orchestral' version!
 
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samhabib said:
'Orchestral' version? Well it isn't an 'orchestral' version. It's the same version with an 'orchestra' audio file tagged to the front-end of it.

'Orchestral' version!
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Well, this just proves it's easy-peezy to put together a Michael Jackson album without Michael Jackson.

Just add water!
 
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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
I try to do what's right for me
But no one sees the way I see
And then I try to please them so
But how far can this pleasing go...




...Till death Mikey :cry:
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He wrote the song when he was still a teenager. Destiny was released in 1978.

Words cannot describe how talented he truly was...

Miss you much Mike. :cry:
 
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love is magical said:
He wrote the song when he was still a teenager. Destiny was released in 1978.

Words cannot describe how talented he truly was...

Miss you much Mike. :cry:
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Death is just a door to a better place.

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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Death is just a door to a better place.

I know he's in a better place now.

Think about it. The Estate released two albums, This Is It and Michael, thus far. They **** up both of them.

While I enjoy disc 2 of TII, I found the Paul Anka fiasco embarassing.

Why do people still have such high level of trust in the Estate?
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samhabib said:
No. Excuses are only made when the 'truth' doesn't add up. Again. And again. And again.



Desperate attempt to cause an argument. My 'Hitler' reference had nothing to do with Jesta. Absolutely nothing. It was a reference to 'opinions'. Which was clear to every member of this board without an agenda.

Everytime someone posts that it's Michael Jackson on those tracks, hence, that I'm wrong, I have EVERY right to counter that claim. That's democracy for ya.

I still await your response to my question that I posted earlier regarding your sudden and swift turnaround. How did you go from claiming 'something is up' to 'hearing Michael' on these tracks? You can continue to ignore me, but your silence only speaks volumes I'm afraid.
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I didn't ignore you, the problem is you just didn't respect the answer. Like I already told you, that statement came before the album released, where I said, exactly in these words "it's possible Michael recorded some of these songs, and the rest are filler, with someone else". Like I also said, that statement came before your prime suspect denied his affiliation with the album and the mentioned songs.


You seemingly lack proper respect for another's opinion, no one, no one is telling you, "It's Michael Jackson, you're wrong". The only one with a blatant level of disrespect for another person like that, is you, I'm afraid. I've seen Jesta state, that it's their opinion, and they respect your right to disagree, your problem is, you feel the need to bypass that common ground, the median, in order to tell someone their belief is wrong, and why. Without any objective proof, to support your claim.

Here's a quote in regards to respecting opinions, which totally conflicts your meaning of it....



"Respect for opinions is not an easy art at all. It requires self-esteem, self-control, sensitivity, tolerance, fairness, and generosity."
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--Dr. Forni


Traits that you apparently lack, when it comes to the "respect for opinions" department.
 
Mike, this one's for you ;-)
With these lyrics I would like to show to the Cascios what are the true lyrics from a true musician able to write music, to play instruments and to sing:

I know that I’m not alone
What I’ve seen, has been seen before
But it hurts just like a thorn
A pain I’ve never felt before
My heart says: “Just speak the truth”
But my mind says: “Don’t be a fool”
Need to get something off my mind
Don’t let this silence be misunderstood
I don’t know where my heart will take me
But I know your light will protect me
From this fragile world

I don’t know where I’m destined to be
Rich or poor, famous, loved or lonely
But I know, without your light I’ll never cope
In this fragile world

Did you think you can silence me?
With your lies, games and deceit?
You can continue robbing me
But you won’t rob my dignity
I know that life is just a game
An illusion that will fade
Cheat and lie, have it your way
But you can’t cheat death, no way

I don’t know where my heart will take me
But I know your light will protect me
From this fragile world
I don’t know where I’m destined to be
Rich or poor, famous, loved or lonely
But I know, without your light, I’ll never cope
In this fragile world

Life’s just a game
An illusion that will fade
Cheat and lie have it your way
But you can’t cheat death, no way

I don’t know where my heart will take me
But I know your light will protect me
From this fragile world
I don’t know where I’m destined to be
Rich or poor, famous, loved or lonely
But I know, without your light I’ll never cope
In this fragile world

[youtube]9ghBfsznxi8[/youtube]
 
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AnnieRUOkay89 said:
You seemingly lack proper respect for another's opinion, no one, no one is telling you, "It's Michael Jackson, you're wrong". The only one with a blatant level of disrespect for another person like that, is you, I'm afraid. I've seen Jesta state, that it's their opinion, and they respect your right to disagree, your problem is, you feel the need to bypass that common ground, the median, in order to tell someone their belief is wrong, and why. Without any objective proof, to support your claim.

Here's a quote in regards to respecting opinions, which totally conflicts your meaning of it....




--Dr. Forni


Traits that you apparently lack, when it comes to the "respect for opinions" department.
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Since you seem to be an advocate for a respected opinion, I find it strange that you didn't find it necessary to defend Sam when another member here called him ignorant because it was his opinion that Privacy is a terrible song. Instead, you interrupted the conversation to call me out on my supposed 'hypocrisy'....
 
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Hi, look what i found:

LIES2NITE2OPRAH:

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Let's not get personal in here guys.
 
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Arklove said:
Yes, that sounds plausible. It seems to tie in with the obsession with chart positions. That's the thing with the Cascio tracks. I've heard people say, 'Oh, it may not be 100% Michael, but it's a sure hit, let's get it to number one!' Huh? This sort of thinking puzzles me.
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It's crazy! It's NOT Michael and it's NOT a hit....it's a r&b/pop slow tempo track that comes a dime a dozen. Michaels mastery far exceeds this perfunctory track.
 
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double post
 
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When i've suggested that Behind The Mask should be a single i've had some fans say ''Ewww that soooooo dated. It will never get to number 1''

Michael Jackson is a music legend. He shouldn't have to follow current trends just so he can fit in with ''what's cool'' at the moment. Michael has always been about the melody and not the hot beats of the moment.
 
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Arklove said:
Agreed...All three are a dime a dozen. Do we know if 'Monster' is still being considered for a single release?
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According to Gaz, HT will be the next single in at least the US and Austrailia and BTM will be the next single in at least France as confirmed to him by the Estate. Gaz also says that all countries will get the same songs just not necessarily in the same order. Reading between the lines, this would suggest that they have decided not to release Monster as the 3rd single despite some earlier chatter. Perhaps, the Estate/Sony have taken notice of the "doubters" after all and have decided not to risk getting the general public/media involved in this debate. If so, this would be a very wise move on their part. Frankly, I would be very surprised if they use any other Cascio songs on future projects despite their initial investment.
 
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donalb said:
According to Gaz, HT will be the next single in at least the US and Austrailia and BN will be the next single in at least France. Gaz also says that all countries will get the same songs just not necessarily in the same order. Reading between the lines, this would suggest that they have decided not to release Monster as the 3rd single despite some earlier chatter. Perhaps, the Estate/Sony taken notice of the "doubters" after all and have decided not to take the risk of getting the general public/media involved in this debate. If so, this would be a very wise move on their part. Frankly, I would be very surprised if they use any other Cascio songs on future projects despite their initial investment.
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They're going to release BN? WTF? or do you mean BTM?
 
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AnnieRUOkay89 said:
I didn't ignore you, the problem is you just didn't respect the answer. Like I already told you, that statement came before the album released, where I said, exactly in these words "it's possible Michael recorded some of these songs, and the rest are filler, with someone else". Like I also said, that statement came before your prime suspect denied his affiliation with the album and the mentioned songs.
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Jason Malachi denied being involved in corporate fraud? No shit. Did you expect him to say it was him? Is that what you're honestly proposing?

The question was what changed in the actual music? From 'something is up' to 'I believe it's Michael on these songs'. What changed in the audio? In the sound? How did you not hear Michael and then hear Michael?

AnnieRUOkay89 said:
You seemingly lack proper respect for another's opinion, no one, no one is telling you, "It's Michael Jackson, you're wrong". The only one with a blatant level of disrespect for another person like that, is you, I'm afraid. I've seen Jesta state, that it's their opinion, and they respect your right to disagree, your problem is, you feel the need to bypass that common ground, the median, in order to tell someone their belief is wrong, and why. Without any objective proof, to support your claim.*

Here's a quote in regards to respecting opinions, which totally conflicts your meaning of it....
--Dr. Forni.
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Completely bogus post. I respected Jesta's right to an opinion. I even said that to him, explicitly. I DON'T respect his opinion, though. Which is perfectly legitimate. You respect people's RIGHTS to an opinion, you DON'T have to respect the opinion.*

Which was as clear as daylight in my post to Jesta. If you didn't have an agenda, that is.

AnnieRUOkay89 said:
Traits that you apparently lack, when it comes to the "respect for opinions" department.
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From a person trying to promote good behaviour? Pathetic. Read what I wrote to Jesta. And then read it again. And then tell me I don't respect his right to an opinion. Until then, save the decorum lessons.
 
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I actually will not be surprised if there is no second single.

It's all about cost/benefit. If Sony thinks the benefit of releasing a second single is not going to exceed the cost, Sony is not going to do anything.

Anyway, I don't get excited about single release anymore after seeing what they did with HMH... Any video that they come up with is going to be a let down. A single release just means getting remixes of the song done "officially"...
 
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love is magical said:
I actually will not be surprised if there is no second single.

It's all about cost/benefit. If Sony thinks the benefit of releasing a second single is not going to exceed the cost, Sony is not going to do anything.

Anyway, I don't get excited about single release anymore after seeing what they did with HMH... Any video that they come up with is going to be a let down. A single release just means getting remixes of the song done "officially"...
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I'd love to see HT and BTM get the recognition they deserve, especially BTM, but the lack of promotion we've seen is likely only going to continue.

The album is dead, anyway. I look at the lack of promotion as a good thing. The less people know about this joke of an album, the better.
 
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Arklove said:
I'd love to see HT and BTM get the recognition they deserve, especially BTM, but the lack of promotion we've seen is likely only going to continue.

The album is dead, anyway. I look at the lack of promotion as a good thing. The less people know about this joke of an album, the better.
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First, I love the explanation you have for your edits... I can feel Bumper is staring us... :ph34r:

I agree with you HT, BTM, MTS and BOJ deserve to be released as singles because these songs are GREAT! They deserve to carry Michael's name on them. They deserve to be recognized.

The disconnect between fans and Sony is that they care about one thing: SALES. Frankly, I don't care if they don't sell another copy of Michael. I just want Michael to be remembered for his greatness, not some mediocre cut-and-paste "mainstream" half-baked sh!ts.
 
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Why is this thread still going? It's the same bullshit going round and round in circles.
 
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^^ It'll always go around in circles. We need to vent.
 
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kopwatcher said:
Why is this thread still going? It's the same bullshit going round and round in circles.
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Oh but we're just getting started
 
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love is magical said:
First, I love the explanation you have for your edits... I can feel Bumper is staring us... :ph34r:

I agree with you HT, BTM, MTS and BOJ deserve to be released as singles because these songs are GREAT! They deserve to carry Michael's name on them. They deserve to be recognized.

The disconnect between fans and Sony is that they care about one thing: SALES. Frankly, I don't care if they don't sell another copy of Michael. I just want Michael to be remembered for his greatness, not some mediocre cut-and-paste "mainstream" half-baked sh!ts.
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