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Michael - The Great Album Debate

Chamife said:
I would like to ask you a question: What is it that you love specifically about Michael's singing? What attracts you in Michael's voice/singing? You surely can name one specific aspect?

And then I have a following question: Do you recognize this/these thing (s) in the Cascio songs too and maybe you can point out where?
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I like Michael's way of singing that is original and not like the others and all the messages in his songs and much more but anyways yes I hear it on the released Cascio songs.

Update: Okay I'll point it out to you

Keep Your Head Up from 0:00 - 4:52
Monster from 0:00 - 5:06
Breaking News from 0:00 - 4:15
 
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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Some innocent questions regarding Breaking News:

A) How many times have you heard Michael Jackson saying his full name in a song so far?

B) Have you heard any big caliber artists saying their names in their songs such as Phil Collins, Madonna, George Michael, The Beatles, Elvis Presley, James Brown,...?

C) Have you ever heard smaller caliber artists saying their names in their songs such as Jason Malachi, or hip hop artists such as Snoop Doggy Dog, MC Hammer, Dr. Dre, ...etc?

I wasn't bothered by the possibility that Michael Jackson could say his own name in his songs, but I can't stop thinking that it was simply not his style at all to do it. As if he would self-promote his name in the song.
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#1 Because he said his name on that song it does NOT mean that it's not him singing it means a new idea.

#2 Madonna I think I heard before but I don't know her music so yeah.

#3 Some do some don't it depends what's the song about.


Michael sings on Breaking News about HIMself so why not say your name.
 
ADKIc3mAnX said:
Sorry what statement ?

The one asking for how the songs were tested, etc ?

I did answer I sent the note from the estate which said how they were tested.
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Yeah, the letter isn't much proof though, it doesn't count for anything really, it's only someone's word.
 
Serious question. I assume everyone listened to Privacy.

yo yo that's Michael Jackson
man that ain't no Michael Jackson, that ain't him.
mommy mommy it's Michael Jackson
Mr. Jackson over here
Michael Michael over here
Mr.Jackson turn around please
Michael can I get one snapshot please?

who do you think put that before the privacy? Sock elves? Santa Claus? Who's style is that?


Who wrote Do the bartman and put 2 references to himself in it? The raps (example: Jam , 2bad) to his songs had Michael's name mentioned in them. He even had a song called "Dear Michael". The girl is mine has Paul saying Michael's name and Michael saying Paul's name.

It might be first time he himself singing his full name - well Porte is doing the most of the singing of his name actually - but having his name in one of his songs is not new. And assuming Breaking News is influenced perhaps by Privacy , it's not even remotely schocking.

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madonna "4 minutes" - has multiple mentions of madonna's name
"That’s right, keep it up, keep it up, don’t be a pri, hey
Madonna, uh"

madonna "candy shop" - has mention of her name
"It's the MA-DO-NN-A
You ready?"

prince has a song called "my name is prince" (and I guess nothing can top that)
"My name is Prince and I am funky
My name is Prince the one and only"

James Brown mentions his name in "King Heroin"
"Ladies and Gentlemen
Fellow Americans
Lady Americans
This is James Brown"

James Brown "Get On The Good Foot"
"Where people do the sign and take your hands-ah
And dancin' to the music James Brown band... mmm"

James Brown ""It's Too Funky In Here"
"Gettin' down tha's right!
My name James Brown is gyown!"

James Brown ""Can't Get Any Harder" has multiple mentions of his name

britney spears "me against the music - has multiple mentions of britney's name
"C'mon Britney lose control, watch you take it down"

John Lennon mentions his name in "give peace a chance"
"Ev'rybody's talkin' 'bout
John and Yoko, Timmy Leary, Rosemary,"

John Lennon has a song called "ballad of john and yoko"

and I guess I don't even need to write about Lady Gaga

so yeah I heard big caliber artists saying or including their names on the songs.
 
ADKIc3mAnX said:
See asking believers to show where they hear Michael is dumb (IMO) because we (At least me) hear MJ on the whole song now doubters like to say "It's not him on this part or this part or this one" so they post a video or audio file trying to show where they don't hear MJ.
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I do not hear michael on one single second of any of the cascio tracks, EXCEPT for the cut/paste ad libs that i've already identified.

THAT DOES NOT MEAN I CAN'T POINT OUT SPECIFIC PLACES IN THE SONGS WHERE IT SOUNDS MOST UNLIKE MJ.

So you think Breaking News sounds like mj from beginning to end. cool. so WHICH PARTS sound the MOST like him?! i don't understand why this is a hard question to answer. i don't think the track sounds like him AT ALL, but i can (and have) picked specific parts that sound the least like him. Why can't you do the same? it just doesn't make sense to me.

it seems like a lot of people base their belief on "oh, the cascios wouldn't do that." and it seems the doubters base their belief on "oh, this sounds absolutely nothing like michael jackson." i'm sorry, but to me, one of those perceptions is much more grounded in objectivity and fact. doubters are relying on something REAL (our hearing, our familiarity with the artist) and the believers are relying on . . . what? faith in human nature? come on.
 
azsummergirl said:
it seems like a lot of people base their belief on "oh, the cascios wouldn't do that." and it seems the doubters base their belief on "oh, this sounds absolutely nothing like michael jackson." i'm sorry, but to me, one of those perceptions is much more grounded in objectivity and fact. doubters are relying on something REAL (our hearing, our familiarity with the artist) and the believers are relying on . . . what? faith in human nature? come on.
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I'll use this chance and remind that my opinion is based on Malachi being a terrible singer and do not have the technique required. I mentioned this months ago in detail. My opinion about the vocals is not based on logic or trust in people. Logic and trust is actually the things that weaken the opposite sides argument. They allege a fraud but cannot give you a motive or reasoning for or a benefit from it.
 
Look if someone was arguing with me that hollywood tonight wasn't really michael I would be defending it to the death. Yes that whole song sounds like michael but I would be picking out individual points and saying "yes this is michael because at xyz second he sound just like he does at xyz point in this other song." the only reason the believers don't do this is cuz they got nothin. If you actually hear him, stand up for yourself.
 
I think it's pretty obvious where it sounds the most like Michael in, for example, Breaking News. And asking the same, same, same, same, same question over and over and over and over again with always the same answer from the believers (We say we hear him everywhere, so it all sounds Michael to me in every part).

But I'll try and answer your question.
Ad libs: Breakin', the news (gritty) = Jason doesn't have the technique. The Heehee's near the end are convincing enough. The vibrato actually tells me it IS MJ and not malachi, haha. And the whole style of the song screams Michael.

As for the "I'm Michael Jackson" parts, it isn't anything new like Ivy mentioned. Actually, the lyrics aren't as *complete crap* as everyone says and they can easily be written by MJ against the media. The whole song + the lyrics = MJ to me.

Oh, and if you want to know, at the release of Breaking news I'm still 100% sure.
I'll make it even harder,
The "dude" singing Fall In Love (MJ) still has a way better technique than Jason. =P

And from what I can remember, someone said it could be another "random" impersonator. While that would be extremely unlikely (just as Jason singing these songs is), it would be a bit more believable since Jason really is a terrible singer.
 
azsummergirl said:
I do not hear michael on one single second of any of the cascio tracks, EXCEPT for the cut/paste ad libs that i've already identified.

THAT DOES NOT MEAN I CAN'T POINT OUT SPECIFIC PLACES IN THE SONGS WHERE IT SOUNDS MOST UNLIKE MJ.

So you think Breaking News sounds like mj from beginning to end. cool. so WHICH PARTS sound the MOST like him?! i don't understand why this is a hard question to answer. i don't think the track sounds like him AT ALL, but i can (and have) picked specific parts that sound the least like him. Why can't you do the same? it just doesn't make sense to me.

it seems like a lot of people base their belief on "oh, the cascios wouldn't do that." and it seems the doubters base their belief on "oh, this sounds absolutely nothing like michael jackson." i'm sorry, but to me, one of those perceptions is much more grounded in objectivity and fact. doubters are relying on something REAL (our hearing, our familiarity with the artist) and the believers are relying on . . . what? faith in human nature? come on.
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To me from beginning to end so that question of where it sounds more like him to me I answered already.
 
azsummergirl said:
Look if someone was arguing with me that hollywood tonight wasn't really michael I would be defending it to the death. Yes that whole song sounds like michael but I would be picking out individual points and saying "yes this is michael because at xyz second he sound just like he does at xyz point in this other song." the only reason the believers don't do this is cuz they got nothin. If you actually hear him, stand up for yourself.
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I'm not a believer..But I'll play along, because it does seem like some of you are a bit harsh when it comes to an opposing viewpoint...Would you like all twelve or just the album releases?


Monster - "He's like an animal." I bolded the term animal, because that's the only part in the song that sounds like Michael to me, other than the copy and paste, the word "animal" seems to be pasted in there as well, if you listen to the song closely, you can tell it's from a different cut and not the same vocal take as the 3 words that come before it. "Animal" sounds like Michael to me.


Breaking News - "Aaaaahhhh Aaahh Aaaahhhhh" Sounds like Michael to me. "on the news today they say we're crazy". The bolded sounds like Michael to me.


Keep Your Head Up - "She's looking for a job and a finer place to stay, She's looking for the hope and the emptypromises". The bolded, sounds like Michael to me. "She wastes her life away she wipes her tears away" "All you need is love". Again, the bolded sound like Michael to me.


All I Need - "We must get another chance, We can do it again", that plus the whole first half of the chorus, "You are all I need in my life" sound like Michael to me. And "Tonight".


Soldier Boy, Ready 2 Win & Burn Tonight don't sound like Michael at all, to me.


Stay - "byeee", that high note in the first hook, sounds like Michael to me. "Don't you walk awayyy, say goodbye", "Te Quiero, I love you, say goodbye, say goodbye"....Yup everything bolded sounds like Michael to me.


All Right - "Hold me"...Yup, that's it, that one line, sounds like Michael to me.


Black Widow - "She wants you boy", the backing vocal sound like Michael to me.


Fall In Love - That first note before he starts singing actual words. That's it. Sounds like Michael to me.


Water - "There'll be something new I'm here for you and there's no need to cry"..The bolded, sounds like Michael to me.



I did it, do I get a prize? :)
 
ADKIc3mAnX said:
To me from beginning to end so that question of where it sounds more like him to me I answered already.
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ok. wow. let me try this again.

Best of joy sounds like michael jackson from beginning to end, to me. From the first note, to the last note. If someone said to me "you're wrong, best of joy is not sung by michael jackson" i would be able to pick out SPECIFIC parts of the song that sound like michael. even though the entire song sounds like him (because it IS him) i could pick out individual parts that are "classic mj" or that i could compare to another song.

It doesn't matter if the whole song sounds like him to you. i'm asking what, SPECIFICALLY, tells you it's mj. maybe this is so hard to answer because it's not actually him. so i guess there's that.

@whoisit yes, thanks for answering. so like from keep your head up, it seems like you think the first part of lines sounds like mj, but then the end of lines (like "to stay" and "promises" 'wipes the tears away") do not. Is it safe to say that the singer falls off for you at the end of verses, in that song? is it the vibrato?

and i just want to add--i think it was bumper, earlier, who said he can't believe someone would say MITM and fall in love are sung by the same singer. i was thinking something similar, earlier today. Invincible is not my favorite mj album (i love it, don't get me wrong, but not my favorite). But i would argue that michael was a TECHNICALLY better singer as he got older. I feel that all of his albums have progressively better technique, through the years. I don't necessarily think his voice is the best it ever was, as he got older, but i think his technique improved. He knows things about phrasing a song that only comes with 40+ years of training. He was always incredible. But he fine-tuned his style as he got older. he knows EXACTLY how to control his voice: he's the gold standard of professional singing.

so what the f*#k happened to him, if that's him on fall in love? or black widow? or...come on guys. It's not just the voice. michael jackson does not sing like that. he never has (even at the START of his career) and he never would.
 
I asked if Michael Jackson himself ever said his name in his songs, and I got the answer yes, but none of the examples shows where Michael Jackson himself said them. Lol. Now that's what I call "logic" lol.
 
ADKIc3mAnX said:
#1 Because he said his name on that song it does NOT mean that it's not him singing it means a new idea.

#2 Madonna I think I heard before but I don't know her music so yeah.

#3 Some do some don't it depends what's the song about.


Michael sings on Breaking News about HIMself so why not say your name.
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New idea? Dude how old are you? There's nothing new in repeating your own name in your song. Rappers do it all the time and especially new artists.
 
azsummergirl said:
ok. wow. let me try this again.

Best of joy sounds like michael jackson from beginning to end, to me. From the first note, to the last note. If someone said to me "you're wrong, best of joy is not sung by michael jackson" i would be able to pick out SPECIFIC parts of the song that sound like michael. even though the entire song sounds like him (because it IS him) i could pick out individual parts that are "classic mj" or that i could compare to another song.

It doesn't matter if the whole song sounds like him to you. i'm asking what, SPECIFICALLY, tells you it's mj. maybe this is so hard to answer because it's not actually him. so i guess there's that.

@whoisit yes, thanks for answering. so like from keep your head up, it seems like you think the first part of lines sounds like mj, but then the end of lines (like "to stay" and "promises" 'wipes the tears away") do not. Is it safe to say that the singer falls off for you at the end of verses, in that song? is it the vibrato?

and i just want to add--i think it was bumper, earlier, who said he can't believe someone would say MITM and fall in love are sung by the same singer. i was thinking something similar, earlier today. Invincible is not my favorite mj album (i love it, don't get me wrong, but not my favorite). But i would argue that michael was a TECHNICALLY better singer as he got older. I feel that all of his albums have progressively better technique, through the years. I don't necessarily think his voice is the best it ever was, as he got older, but i think his technique improved. He knows things about phrasing a song that only comes with 40+ years of training. He was always incredible. But he fine-tuned his style as he got older. he knows EXACTLY how to control his voice: he's the gold standard of professional singing.

so what the f*#k happened to him, if that's him on fall in love? or black widow? or...come on guys. It's not just the voice. michael jackson does not sing like that. he never has (even at the START of his career) and he never would.
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I think that people do it on purpose not to understand the question. So of course it's much easier to answer they hear Michael from the beginning till the end (just wow!).


So when we point out comparisons with Jason's vocals, believers hear two different people... Just wow, I wonder how they do that. On top of that they say it proves nothing at all. But the fact that they don't show a single comparison, only their words "I hear Michael" from the beginning till the end, now that is some kind of "solid" proof. Lol

@Pentum, if you are here, please when you have time could you put side aside "Man in the mirror" and "Monster" since they hear Michael from the beginning till the end the voice should be identical.

The believers should listen to "Fall In Love" right after "Man In The Mirror", that's not difficult to do, it only takes few minutes of listening.
 
I guess that we are witnessing the beginning of the rift between what we could qualify as pre-Cascio (old) Michael Jackson fans and pro-Cascio (supposedly new sound/voice) Michael Jackson fans. I am happy I've known Michael the artist throughout all his career without a single Cascio song when he was alive.
 
From me to everyone on here:

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See you in a few days!
 
As much as this thread is controversial, I love it because this is where we focus on his MUSIC - that very first thing we loved him for and it's that very same thing that brings us together...it's just too bad that these songs at the same time are splitting us apart...we should be celebrating his talent, not arguing about who the hell is singing on these songs...

Who would have thought this would have ever happened after he died?? The most beloved artist in the world and this is happening...it's actually still very surreal to me...the fact that this issue is still up in the air - unresolved..

As we've mentioned before, even if the songs are Michael, they are an insult to what he's worked so hard for his entire life and it saddens me that I feel there is ultimately nothing we can do to make it better...
 
^ ONE of my fav. The Jackson songs!!!

I really hope MJ did a solo version on it and that it's out there somewhere. I LOVE IT! And when MJ kicks in towards the end - so epic.
 
Merry Christmas to everyone! :)

I hope I get a new pair of ears as a gift. :D And also, maybe a new brain, it could be useful.
 
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So from what ive read the past ten pages, apperently water has something called MJ telephone? What if thats evidence like how they did i like the way you love me?
 
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