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Michael - The Great Album Debate

r u sure the later one is against "Eddie Cascio" only?
 
I'm very critical about music. I don't like everything. It really has to be special. Listened/Loved (to) Michael when I was very young, so I blame him..:D.

So to me it's simple: No one messes with that. No one messes with the only artist I ever really admired.
 
Everyone wanted Breaking News to be MJ - all of us went through a period of trying to convince ourselves the voice we were hearing could be MJ. Some fans are still in that stage. Granted, it was a crap song, but I'd rather they release a genuine MJ crap song than blame him for someone else's crap.
 
ATTENTION: long post :help:


Before 'Michael' came out I was one of the people who had serious doubts about releasing any 'unfinished' material. Unfinished by Michael, I mean. I shared Will.I.Am's opinion. Michael left us enough in his lifetime to enjoy. If he didn’t think the songs were good enough, than they should be left in the fault. Not released with his name on it.
But later on I weighed the pro's and con's and thought that maybe it wouldn't be bad at all, actually it could be a good thing. I started to look at it differently. They were the musicians Michael worked with. The top of the bill. And if the producers who worked on the tracks just were clear about what they added and what they did to the tracks, out of respect to Michael’s work, then I could agree. And that’s what they did.
When Breaking News premiered I never heard of Jason Malachi or fake singers, but I didn’t hear Michael. I wasn’t enthousiastic overall, but I thought: “That’s when you get when other people interfere with it. I reckoned they’d altered the songs/voice to an extreme level and I accepted it. It was all out of Michael’s hands, so what can you do? I didn’t know what was his share and what wasn’t at that point. When you hear ‘Much too soon it’s pretty clear . I didn’t care much about the songs and hardly listened to them. They weren’t really his work (too much changes).
One fan wrote to one another : I’m sure it’s him. I know it’s him, I just know’. It’s him. So that’s how the idea of someone else singing got in my mind. Picking things up left and right. She had listened to him every day from when the became a fan, when the Bad-album came out. She even chose her profession inspired by him. And she got extremely depressed because of his death. And I’m not talking about dumb people, no, they were EXTREMELY bright.
Fans who were enthoustiastic about ‘Breaking News’ and were angry because others weren’t. And those were fans that went to his concerts several times, who studied his dances and danced themselves on our national Dutch tv.
A song like ‘Another Day’ was enough to see it as a personal message and made them take a trip to Forest Lawn. They really built their world around Michael.
I thought: ‘Who am I to think bad about the songs? I only started listening to his music again after his death? These fans will also know his voice? I’ve never been to one of his concerts ever? So I listened again and again. I kept my thoughts private, because I was unsure, although my first impression was that I didn’t hear Michael. Nowhere.
Like I said before, I liked the music, I didn't buy the album in the beginning, because of all the doubts, still a bit hesitant. A few weeks after the release I got it as a gift. Still knew nothing about the Cascio tracks at that time.
When it became clear to me it wasn't Michael at all, those feelings I had in the beginning didn't matter at all anymore. Original Michael songs that were finished by others suddenly became the least of the objections I had with the album before.
To me it is very doubtful, that IF..IF Michael somehow sung these lyrics and they are somewhere in there, in the background of Jason Malachi, where I don't hear them, it was the intention to be released as a song that would be presented to the world as his (co)work, as HIS song. IF he sang these lyrics, he maybe would have done that as a favor, or to pass the time at the Cascio house, not expecting these would be released with his name on it.
 
Pentum said:
You think this was easy, finding similar bits? :D This was seriously a pain in the ass, and I don't think I can stand making any more comparisons. Jason's voice really makes me depressed and sick.

Monster VS Heartbreaker: Jason lacks overall grit which Michael has no matter what. Hard to compare vocals.
http://soundcloud.com/pentummj/monster-vs-heartbreaker
(i put two 2 seconds clip of Jason in it, just HAD to @0:42)

Monster VS Invincible: Same as above, but even harder to compare (why even bother)
http://soundcloud.com/pentummj/monster-vs-heartbreaker
(Tuuu baaad :D Tuuuu baaad :D How is that Michael? LOL)

Breaking News VS Privacy: Privacy is processed so the vocals are hard to hear, so it was really a waste of time (i don't have anything to do today, so it doesn't matter) comparing it. Note the grit is completly absent in BN.
http://soundcloud.com/pentummj/breaking-news-vs-privacy

Breaking News VS Threatened: Again, grit can not even be compared to MJ in Threatened.
http://soundcloud.com/pentummj/breaking-news-vs-threatened

Breaking News VS 2000 Watts: What was the point in this?
http://soundcloud.com/pentummj/breaking-news-vs-2000-watts

Keep The Faith VS Will You Be There: MJ's voice is much deeper and heavier. Totally different timbre.
http://soundcloud.com/pentummj/keep-your-head-up-vs-will-you

Keep The Faith VS Keep The Faith: Again, different timbre, and I'm really having a hard time trying to make these two voices to be the same human.
http://soundcloud.com/pentummj/keep-your-head-up-vs-keep-the

Listen before they are removed.
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Thanks Pentum, at least nobody can say that you haven't tried to compare them.

kreen said:
I'm no longer participating in this thread because as far as I'm concerned, it is settled, but I just have to say one last time :

All of those audio comparisons are pointless, by their very nature. They have no scientific value, and are entirely subjective : you hear what you want to hear.

Forget about the subjective, and stick to the objective.
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Now let me tell you something, I already explained that as far as subjectivity is concerned there is a threshold. I would agree with you only on one condition: that we have no knowledge about MJ's voice, but as MJ's fans it is impossible not to know MJ's voice, which means we aren't that subjective. In principle our ears are trained to recognize Michael's voice.

I'll give you another example. Imagine that Michael's voice is a diesel engine and that the fans are mechanics. When you hear a diesel, you actually don't even have to be a mechanic, you'll hear a diesel engine because of its distinctive sound. You as a mechanic, would you need an engineer to tell that you hear or don't hear a diesel engine?

People who aren't familiar with diesel's distinctive sound will be unable to make a difference between a petrol/gas engine and a diesel engine. Those people will tell you either that what they hear they're unable to make a distinction between the two (they need an expert/engineer to tell them) or they'll say that anything we hear is subjective anyway as if an ordinary engine could sound as a diesel engine.
 
kopwatcher said:
Everyone wanted Breaking News to be MJ - all of us went through a period of trying to convince ourselves the voice we were hearing could be MJ. Some fans are still in that stage. Granted, it was a crap song, but I'd rather they release a genuine MJ crap song than blame him for someone else's crap.
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You think Breaking News is a "crappy" song ?
 
Breaking News is a lyrically weak, vocally poor and a poorly produced generic song. It is my opinion, but it is also the opinion of several others. To the song's credit, it "sounds pretty" (more so, the instrumental does) but that's it.
 
Jesta said:
Breaking News is a lyrically weak, vocally poor and a poorly produced generic song. It is my opinion, but it is also the opinion of several others. To the song's credit, it "sounds pretty" (more so, the instrumental does) but that's it.
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Agreed. Breaking News is not a good song in my opinion.
 
lucilla said:
I don't think there's a "doubter" who thinks that song is cool :p
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well, actually I've seen some comments from doubters (myself included), you can't deny these tracks are catchy and get stuck in your head.

It's like a virus, especially stuff like BN, Monster, Soldier Boy and Black Widow.
 
Hey, great idea for a song


It’s like a virus
Running through my veins

It’s like a virus
Makes me go insane


:rolleyes2:
 
In the future 10 years from now

"Hey guys i discovered another track!" Eddie says...he plays the take

"IIIIIIIIIIIIIII've washed my hair, and rinsed it with Water, water.
and its so cleaaaann goat goat goat."
 
Breaking news is not only crappy it literally makes me cringe it's that bad (in my opinion). When i heard it first i was disgusted and immediately thought 'Who and what the f*** is this?' It has to be a joke, a PR stunt.......
 
Yes,i also don't like Breaking News and i wouldn't care even if i believed that it was written by Mike and also sung by him . The song is hideous,in my opinion.
 
...Breaking News... I wasn't a member here back then, so I didn't comment on it, but I remember very well how I felt.
When the first snippet streamed I was very excited about it, I loved the beat, but I felt the strings didn't fit into the song. Then the strange MJ-like scream which didn't seem to fit there either. I somehow hoped that it was not the part of the actual song that it was some kind of an ad. Silly me ;)

Then the whole song streamed.
I remember listening to it over and over again on my mp3 player, trying to get into it. I forced myself into liking it.
All I could really enjoy was the first few seconds of the song, before the strings came in. It souded so cheap (on the album version the strings don't bother me that much. Maybe I just got used to it...)
The whole song gives me a strange under-the-layer-of-soil kind of feeling (sorry, don't know how to describe it better).
 
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Frankyboy5;3558739 said:
well, actually I've seen some comments from doubters (myself included), you can't deny these tracks are catchy and get stuck in your head.

It's like a virus, especially stuff like BN, Monster, Soldier Boy and Black Widow.
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Malachi´s voice it´s catchy on "Monster" and "Burn2nite". His fast way of sing and his yelps and snorts are !!! amazing !!!!

"You can look at them climbing out the busheeeeees" :listeningtomusic:

"Soullll desireeeee" :dancin:
 
Breaking News could be a Britney Spears song. All you gotta do is change the lyrics and there you have it! A hit song for Britney
 
analogue said:
Breaking News could be a Britney Spears song. All you gotta do is change the lyrics and there you have it! A hit song for Britney
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That's actually exactly what I thought the first time I heard it...that it was so bubble gum pop it sounds like something Britney would sing or any boy band, really...the song has no MJ stamp...
 
Arklove said:
That's actually exactly what I thought the first time I heard it...that it was so bubble gum pop it sounds like something Britney would sing or any boy band, really...the song has no MJ stamp...
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fo' real

:poke:
 
You know what I can't digest? The fact that some "experts" must tell me whether it's Michael's voice or not. That fact alone makes me very angry at Eddie Cascio and all those who agreed to put the songs on the album, among which John Branca. And as if it were not enough, they almost included "Monster" on the Cirque du Soleil, when Michael himself never intended to include a single note of any of those songs on his This Is It tour.
 
^^ when I saw the Cirque show, I cringed when I heard 50's rap...mostly because u can clearly hear the backing beats of Monster...
 
Let's not forget that we "Believers"/"Doubters" are Michael Jackson fans so if we are not debating on the Cascio tracks we are all still MJ fans to respect one another equally.

Believers are not real MJ fans.
Doubters are not real MJ fans.

MJ fans are real MJ fans.
 
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