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Michael - The Great Album Debate

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love is magical said:
and the work tapes and notes? so far, only claims after claims...
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Well, it is self-explanatory that the vocals don't sound like Michael and that the results don't need to be published. Amen.
 
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I'm listening to the Breaking News acapella (not for enjoyment, I'm trying to put something together :p) and I heard something I didn't pick up on before. It's like a background vocal saying "people" or something. It's at 1:25 on my mp3. 2nd pre-chorus "You just wanna feed it again (people)". Any ideas what this is?
 
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^^ hmmm....I don't have the acapella....I heard people saying before that they can hear whispering or something, too...not sure...
 
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It's strange. I isolated it as best I could and turned it up but there are adlibs in the way. It doesn't sound like talking or something, it's like a background vocal but I don't think it's like any that are on the song. The key seems to fit the lead vocal though

EDIT: Another thing I noticed is that if you listen carefully, Jason's vibrato seems to go sharp to the point where it finishes a note up at times. I can hear the same thing in some of the vibrato in Breaking News. I haven't compared it to an MJ acapella yet. I'm gonna do that now.
 
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Arklove said:
^^ hmmm....I don't have the acapella....I heard people saying before that they can hear whispering or something, too...not sure...
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Why is there a leaf of marijuana on your flag? :D

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Arklove said:
^^ hmmm....I don't have the acapella....I heard people saying before that they can hear whispering or something, too...not sure...
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I said that before. After the second round of "You just want to feed it again", I heard what sounded like a voice really hushed down afterward.
 
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Arklove said:
^^ hmmm....I don't have the acapella....I heard people saying before that they can hear whispering or something, too...not sure...
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James Porte (I think, don't exactly know how he sounds like whispering) whispers the lyrics all throughout the first and second verse on "Breaking News". If you know to listen for that, you'll hear it on the a cappella. On "Monster", you can occasionally hear whispers during the first verse aswell, like on "coming up the walls" and "climbing up the bushes", as far as I can tell.

Edit: whoever is whispering says he's Michael Jackson, so it's probably Jason. ;)
 
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larry141094 said:
With what evidence? According to people i have talked to on this site and others who use Melodyne, that is a computer vibrato, even look at the sound waves, it's too perfect to be human
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The fans who think it's Jason singing will not listen to you lol, I might be the only one agreeing with you here, you can tell the vibrato has been stretched and extended.
 
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Worldwide said:
The fans who think it's Jason singing will not listen to you lol, I might be the only one agreeing with you here, you can tell the vibrato has been stretched and extended.
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Jason...?



...Derulo? :D
 
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Worldwide said:
Lol! I need a nurse =p
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LOL!

I like this Jason.But I don't like the other one.

BTW you're not the only guy here.I'm also here supporting you two.
 
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I've made a little compilation of Michael's husky voice on the album MICHAEL. You can clearly hear that his husky voice is natural and that th ehusk is done effortlessly:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YPMVL6Y0

Then, here you have a compilation of the husk on the Cascio tracks. The singer clearly doesn't have naturally husky voice and makes a huge effort to produce it. He's almost choked:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=CCTXK3ID


And finally, here you have some husk from Jason Malachi, you can clearly hear that his husk is not natural and that he struggles to make it. On top of that Malachi's timbre of husk is the same as on the one on the Cascio tracks:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TYBAACR9
 
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^^first one doesn't work for me hun :(
oh, nevermind, now it does!

ya. i have nothing else to say. i just don't see how this is a "debate" at this point. it's crazy how foreign the cascio tracks sound to me. I never listen to them, every time i come back to them i'm just shocked all over again.
 
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TPIMaster said:
Try a hard refresh (Ctrl + F5), should fix the problem.

And yay, Bumper's doing comparisons! Good job man! :D
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Lol, it's not a big deal you know :D Just some husky voice put together from different songs.
 
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^^ Fantastic work babes! Seriously, as the same with azsummergirl....I really don't have much else to say.....It's completely undebatable at this point....It's obvious who it is on these tracks...The comparisons are the proof as far as I'm concerned...
 
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Worldwide, if the vibrato has been 'extended' and 'processed', why would it sound like that? Have you slowed down the songs and listened to how it sounds? Seriously, the breathing technique when that vibrato is sang is in such a way that it would have to be sung in that laughy way.

Can you please explain to me how you go from a natural vibrato to the vibrato that is laughing sounding because of BREATHING?

Also, why on nearly EVERY line would Michael's voice need processing? There wasn't a SINGLE FREAKING LINE HE FINISHED THAT DIDNT NEED PROCESSING AT THE END? NOT ONE? WHAT THE HELL!?!?!?!?!?!?

In my opinion, if Michael had sang these songs for real, there'd at least be portions of the songs where you'd be able to tell it's him. There isn't one part of these songs that I'm certain it's Michael, yet when I'm listening to every other Michael Jackson song ever made in the history of ever I always know it's him.

Also there are damning moments in the comparison videos where Jason is basically busted doing the exact same identical sounds in the same exact identical way. He makes identical gulping and yelping noises I don't hear Michael do in his songs, if you could find an example and make a comparison we would all appreciate it.
 
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Big shout out to Bumper...:clapping::clapping::clapping:

I think Bumper has made a successful entry into the comparison business.

When I listen to Michael's husk, I hear depth. It's natural and efforless.

When I listen to Cascio's husk, the voice clearly lack the richness in Michael's voice. It feels very forced. To me, it sounds closer to Jason than Michael...
 
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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
If you base your arguments on biology and psychology to recognize a voice, I then base my arguments on studying and teaching languages. You need good ears to reproduce intonations and accents. My ears don't hear Michael's voice on those tracks.
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Training doesn't change the flawed hearing process, it doesn't matter how qualified you are, unless your blind, have no feeling and can't walk, saying you dont "hear" him isen't valid
 
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Aniram said:
Worldwide, if the vibrato has been 'extended' and 'processed', why would it sound like that? Have you slowed down the songs and listened to how it sounds? Seriously, the breathing technique when that vibrato is sang is in such a way that it would have to be sung in that laughy way.

Can you please explain to me how you go from a natural vibrato to the vibrato that is laughing sounding because of BREATHING?

Also, why on nearly EVERY line would Michael's voice need processing? There wasn't a SINGLE FREAKING LINE HE FINISHED THAT DIDNT NEED PROCESSING AT THE END? NOT ONE? WHAT THE HELL!?!?!?!?!?!?

In my opinion, if Michael had sang these songs for real, there'd at least be portions of the songs where you'd be able to tell it's him. There isn't one part of these songs that I'm certain it's Michael, yet when I'm listening to every other Michael Jackson song ever made in the history of ever I always know it's him.

Also there are damning moments in the comparison videos where Jason is basically busted doing the exact same identical sounds in the same exact identical way. He makes identical gulping and yelping noises I don't hear Michael do in his songs, if you could find an example and make a comparison we would all appreciate it.
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They sound that way because Melodyne made it that way, full stop, the end
 
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larry141094 said:
Training doesn't change the flawed hearing process, it doesn't matter how qualified you are, unless your blind, have no feeling and can't walk, saying you dont "hear" him isen't valid
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So your conclusion based on biology and psychology about the voice is more reliable than someone's whose job is to correct people's accents and intonation daily?
 
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@Cascio believers, here is a little file. Regardless of what SONY say, I am asking you, do your ears hear Michael Jackson on this file:


http://www.megaupload.com/?d=FAZLFYBE

And compare the voice you hear on that file with the voice (which is supposed to sound like in the file above) compiled from the 80s, 90s, 00s here:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=9WZDL9N7


Give me any similarity between a Cascio song and any previous MJ's song, I'll put them side aside and we'll judge.
 
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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
So your conclusion based on biology and psychology about the voice is more reliable than someone's whose job is to correct people's accents and intonation daily?
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Uhh, yeah it is, your job is about speech, totally different areas of the brain, singing is very different on many levels, any professional will tell you that
 
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larry141094 said:
Uhh, yeah it is, your job is about speech, totally different areas of the brain, singing is very different on many levels, any professional will tell you that
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Umm, in case you didn't know, a language IS music/singing!

Now how is it related to biology or psychology has nothing to do with the voice timbre.
 
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larry141094 said:
They sound that way because Melodyne made it that way, full stop, the end
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Cute, but wrong. I'll upload this again:

http://soundcloud.com/tpimaster/keeping-a-line-2-1

Exact same vibrato. Yet the Jason Malachi song (an outtake from his first album) was recorded and done before Melodyne's feature of changing individual notes existed. (It dates between 2000-2004 and Melodyne Direct Note Access was first available in Melodyne Editor/Studio released on November 16, 2009, according to Wikipedia.) So definitely no Melodyne on that. Now, how come they match when Melodyne didn't exist?

Explain to me aswell why they would intentionally fuck up the vibrato. Teddy tried brushing off the vibrato as some sort of side-effect from "moving the voice up" or something. If you work with Melodyne, you should know that changing the pitch of a note does not change the vibrato. Now why would Teddy say this then? Or was he lying, trying to find another excuse that would make the average fan go "oh I don't know that technical jargon, so he's probably right". I've seen tons of people on comment sections on YouTube videos or elsewhere defending the vocals because "Teddy said he used Melodyne on them".
 
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