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Michael - The Great Album Debate

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^^ Yes, SPYHO would be the best comparison, although, his falsetto is so unique that any of his songs that highlight his falsetto would be comparable to Best of Joy...Again, there are TONS of comparisons because Best of Joy is indeed, without a doubt, MJ's voice..

However, try and find a genuine MJ falsetto to compare to any of the attempts at a falsetto in the Cascio tracks and you won't find one....

Why is that? And why has no one been able to make a comparison? That's our point.
 
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Why does everyone appear as a guest here now?

Also, just to make my "allegiance" clear, the song Soldier Boy has opened up the possibility to me that these songs are fake, as before I had about a 5% thought about it. Now it's about 15% (Keep in mind, one song did that). I just want answers from now on...
 
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Well no one has made a comparison with BOJ to any of Michael's other work so does that mean it is fake? No!
 
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Aren't Jason Malachi's vocals still chopped up in the minute-long snippet?
 
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KingMikeJ said:
Well no one has made a comparison with BOJ to any of Michael's other work so does that mean it is fake? No!
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If I have the software and the know-how, I can make a comparison of Best of Joy with Someone Put Your Hand Out, a comparison of Much Too Soon with Gone Too Soon, a comparison of Another Day and 2 Bad, a comparison of Behind The Mask and WBSS, a comparison of Hollywood Tonight and WYWTOM.

The point is whether it's necessary for people to do that. The above named songs are Michael's as clear as daylight.

The comparision clips you've heard are not evidence per se. But, some of them are good enough to show people how Jason's voice sounds almost identical to the voice on the Cascio tracks.
 
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love is magical said:
The point is whether it's necessary for people to do that. The above named songs are Michael's as clear as daylight.
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The point is, we have an abundance of Jason Malachi tracks to compare to the voice on the Cascio tracks...Maybe it's not evidence, but it's closer than anything we've been offered in terms of that....Even if you don't think it's JM, the point of the comparison audio is to show how strikingly similar the voices are. Nobody has been able to do the same with any of Michael's genuine work because if you compare the vocals on the Cascio tracks to Michael's own genuine work, the difference will be VAST. Comparing two completely different voices.

Not only are the vocals identical, even the production and some of the melody of the Cascio tracks are SO similar to Jason Malachi's own songs...I think it was Room 2 Breathe and Keep Your Head Up, for example, where many thought they were the same song as it all blended so well!
 
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It's all still very confusing to me. I have major doubt but I also hear Michael in places so no side has fully convinced me yet, but there are too many unanswered questions for me.

I will keep listening to comparison videos, reading opinions, listening to these songs and making the decisions for myself until maybe, hopefully, something more comes out.

I hope I can come to a conclusion about these songs soon. I just still don't know.

One thing I want to say is I really doubt the vibrato is an effect of processing just because of the way it sounds.

It has always sounded very 'laughy' or 'goaty', you know, and I think that has to have been the way this vocalist sang these songs.

So to me either it's Michael Jackson sounding a lot worse, or emotional or shaky, or sick or whatever, or it's an impostor.

It leaves me with a very uneasy feeling, which is why I wish more Michael Jackson fans would give their opinions.. Especially those that are maybe more well-known musically. There's got to be more MJ fans who have heard the new record and have their opinions, or maybe some record executives or anyone close to Michael, getting them to speak about it any more, it would really help this issue I think.
 
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Those parts that you feel really are Michael are likely those parts they've cut and pasted in...The breaths, the grunts, the ad libs, etc......all attempts to Michael the tracks up and fool forensics as well as fans/general public. To sit there listening to these songs (still after almost 6 months!!) with a big what the fuck feeling is ridiculous when listening to a 'Michael Jackson' song. When else have we EVER had to listen to him like that, wondering if it's him or not? It's ridiculous to have to be told who we're listening to (the Estate's statment, Sony Eddie, Teddy and Co.) when we have ears! Why does he sound so different? I wonder why! On top of that, absolutely NO evidence or proof that it's Michael has been offered to us.

What other conclusion can you really come to based on ALL these bogus excuses to justify these songs? It's not him. But it's that conclusion that people are scared to admit to themselves.
 
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No, the parts I think are him are like this:

"I can't even breathe, I can't even see, keep your head up, don't give up today"

"All you need is love"

"Don't walk away, Don't go away"

I even hear him sometimes completely in Breaking News, probably because it doesn't have much of that vibrato!

Mostly it's the vibrato that sticks out to me and I haven't really ever heard Jason do a vibrato quite as foreign as the one in the Cascio tracks, although very similar.
 
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I miss Michael... He would've cleared this all up...
 
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Jesta said:
I miss Michael... He would've cleared this all up...
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I really wish someone would for him. Where is his support, wow!!!
 
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Aniram said:
Mostly it's the vibrato that sticks out to me and I haven't really ever heard Jason do a vibrato quite as foreign as the one in the Cascio tracks, although very similar.
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Jason's vibrato in his little home video, not in studio, is identical to the vibrato on the Cascio tracks....Even if you don't think it's identical, it's a damning comparison. Not even close to how we've ever heard Michael's vibrato. Have you ever listened to Michael's vibrato and felt icky listening to it? Likely not...

Don't even think about Jason's vibrato...Think about Michael's vibrato...has it ever sounded like what we've heard on the Cascio tracks?

Doesn't it make you wonder why you're saying that Jason's vibrato is very similar, yet you don't even mention Michael's vibrato in the same breath? It's because it's never sounded like that!
 
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I realize that! I don't disagree with you on that at all. The vibrato has always instantly stuck out to me as not Michael and the voice has always sounded off from the moment I heard Breaking News and before I even registered on this forum.

But I've always said, when I hear the comparison videos, that I don't think the vibrato is like Jason's and I also say that I don't think it sounds like Michael's either, that it sounds fake or robotic, alien, inhuman. It does sound a little too fast, maybe, in areas, I'm not completely sure. It feels like a weird effect is on it that makes it flicker and echo in spots.

I just think it would have been so great for the fans to have a look behind the scenes on this. Usually it seems that would be something you'd get so we can see how it all came together and go, "ah, yes, amazing. :)" We really didn't get any of that except the making of which obviously didn't do anything really except show us the shower.
 
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I'm telling you, Mecha Jackson sung these tracks! He's on the cover!!! It all makes such perfect sense!
 
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Sometimes, when I can't sleep, I just lay in bed and let Michael play throughout the night. My playlist usually ranges from Bad all the way through OTW and the unreleased tracks, so I'm at least listening to four albums worth of material. So while I was dozing off, I fell asleep to 12 O' Clock, then I was woken up by Stay, which is two or three songs later, and it just sounded so foreign compared to the other songs I was listening to throughout the night.


Just thought that was interesting.
 
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AnnieRUOkay89 said:
Sometimes, when I can't sleep, I just lay in bed and let Michael play throughout the night. My playlist usually ranges from Bad all the way through OTW and the unreleased tracks, so I'm at least listening to four albums worth of material. So while I was dozing off, I fell asleep to 12 O' Clock, then I was woken up by Stay, which is two or three songs later, and it just sounded so foreign compared to the other songs I was listening to throughout the night.


Just thought that was interesting.
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Exactly! Has your instinct come into play now? ;)
 
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OK, so we can all at least agree that these songs sound wildly different than any other MJ song. This demands that Mecha Jackson step forward as the real vocalist (AKA, detail EVERYTHING that went into the songs, complete with the audiology reports and the original vocal sessions)
 
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Jesta said:
Also, just to make my "allegiance" clear, the song Soldier Boy has opened up the possibility to me that these songs are fake, as before I had about a 5% thought about it. Now it's about 15% (Keep in mind, one song did that). I just want answers from now on...
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I heard that Soldier Boy is actually a really good catchy song with a TDCAU feel.
 
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It does have that kind of military style of composition, but what makes me seriously doubt the song is the "But that don't mean a thang" part. It just sounds a bit too off.
 
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Well I personally won't comment on it until I hear the full song.
 
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I guess you're right, it could be the only instance of odd pronunciation in the song. Hopefully it won't be too long before it fully leaks.
 
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Jesta, about the intro/outro theme for your youtube show, are you talking about BN's official instrumental, a fan made one? Because eventually I'm pretty sure you're videos might get removed or blocked in certain countries if you're gonna use the official one.

Here's my suggestion for a into/outro theme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grzWvEQSjgw

It's a supposedly Men In Black's instrumental but it's just a fake, and I don't think it's copyrighted.
 
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Thanks, AudreyZidane! It sounds really catchy!
 
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No problem. And btw, it's actually "Andrey". :p A lot of people seem to get my name wrong, which doesn't really bother me, except for the fact that Audrey Bitoni is one of my favorite porstars so everytime I hear/see the name "Audrey" I feel the urge to look her up (again) and watch some of her movies.

Whoa... too much information? o_O
 
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^^ :hysterical: :hysterical:
 
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Sorry about that, don't click on her!!!!! :D
 
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Yeah, I don't mind speaking up my mind and saying what I think which isn't quite a good thing for the most part. I mean, I get called a pervert pretty much on a daily bases. I remember in middleschool having akward erections in class and always wondering why girls wouldn't take that as a compliment. It was like: "Yeah, you're hot... I mean, my **** agrees with me, so yeah, what's the big deal?" Ohh but noooo, they had to make a scene and make me look like an ass.

Sorry to go off-topic but I've had that on my mind for quite a while now and never got around telling it to anyone. I felt the need to release that (no pun intended) from my mind.

@Jesta: Meh, too late.
 
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Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Well, at least you're being honest...
 
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It's always good to bring your A-game, no matter what/*insert dirty joke here* you do...
 
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