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Michael - The Great Album Debate

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Day by day, I'm surprised by how many fans appear to be okay with the disgusting processings and manipulatons being done on a certain songs in the album. I mean, even if they think the songs are genuine, does it not bothering to them that the vocals of one of the most talented and skillful singers ever graced the world are being butchered to a point that he sounds like an amateurish singer.

I don't know. Do we want new unreleased materials at all costs? Do we put too much faith in the people who are handling the artistic side of the Estate's projects?
 
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The Estate has been horrible so far. Whether MJ or not, how on earth do you put those songs on the first post-humous album??
Not to go into other dealings they did that are clearly shady and NOT as Michael would have handled things.
 
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well MJ does have a fast vibrato in some songs (SOOML, I'll Be There Live, and Keep the Faith) but it's still smooth and does not go to the point of "keeping the li-ai-ai-ai-ai-ne" That is typically done by skipping your throat like laughing.

And some people are saying the Soldier Boy snippet is actually I'm Still the King. I doubt this, because the track features James Porte on background vocals.

I wonder if Porte has done vocals for Jason before. The day I heard BN, the background vocals of Jason's songs immediately came into my mind when I heard "no matter what" and the chorus. Maybe it WASN'T James Porte but the vocals are arranged in a similar matter to the Cascios track. Jason's songs are written by a bunch of people though.

Like "I can I can" vs "Do you really wanna stay".

And when I first heard Stay, that part reminded me of Katy Perry's Hot n Cold.
 
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Annie, can I ask why you don't think Michael had a drug problem in his final years, even though his family says he did?

I don't think you're wrong necessarily, I don't think Michael was really a person who had addiction problems but I do think that he had issues come up and certain people around him that fed those issues. Like for example his back in 2005, remember how he felt nearly paralyzed? He was being kept up at night from how people abused him. He could not help that... I think that people were purposely trying to make him drug dependent.
 
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love is magical said:
When he's 50 years of age, he still sounded like the Michael Jackson we all know. Isn't This Is It a proof that his voice hasn't changed. Of course, his voice matures like your voice and my voice. But, I have to say he took good care of his voice throught all the issues he had to dealt with.

Have you read my post about the News York Times article? Paul Simon described what it's like to hear a great singer like Sinatra. Michael is as great as Sinatra. His way of singing is unique. That's why it feels so magical when listening to Michael Jackson. His voice is never flat and he never leaves his listeners cold. It's not the condition of his voice I'm talking about. It's his talents as a singer, his way to hold a note, his sense to beats and rhythm. These abilities cannot be destroyed by any health issues, drug issues or legal issues. He's borned with the natural instinct to convey emotions through his music.

Even if you like the Cascio songs, do you feel like something is missing? Isn't there is a sense of emptiness?




EDIT: Don't forget his children were also with him when he stayed in the Cascios. He could have spent time with his children if he was not well enough to be in a studio. His life was more than just music. It's not like if he's not in a studio, he'd be just watching TV and eating chips.
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Exactly!
It's like with his appearance.No matter how much plastic surgery, skin problems, heavy make-up, pain medication and other health issues he had over the years you still can recognize the sweet, beautiful, charming black kid from Gary.His stunning smile and his dreamy meaningful look in his eyes never faded.

Let alone that you can recognize him in a picture seeing only a finger. :naughty:
 
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Love your post Claudia, so true
 
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^^ I agree.....claudia you always describe him so well...'dreamy, meaningful look in his eyes'...I could never describe that look in those doe eyes...how perfect! :wub:
 
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But despite that long list of issues his voice was never affected, according to you guys he always sounded like a perfect angel.
 
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^^ No, he always sounded like himself....Not always perfect...
 
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Aniram said:
But despite that long list of issues his voice was never affected, according to you guys he always sounded like a perfect angel.
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I'm sure he didn't always sound perfect. One thing I'm sure is that the condition of his voice was still excellent till his last day. Unlike Whitney, Michael had no problem hitting the high notes. He sounded like his usual self in TII and BoJ.

The vocals on the Cascio tracks do not sound like the vocals from an extremely talented and skillful vocalist, like Michael Jackson. The way certain words are phrased are awkward. Michael's unique sense of timing and rhythm are just not there.
 
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The Cascio tracks have been more and more questionable to me over the past few months.

While I do hear Michael in a lot of places, especially Stay, I do understand what you all mean and that's why I'm still here instead of blissfully enjoying the songs.

I think about the quotes from 'fakemichael' a lot... This is really an issue I am trying to figure out because it's been driving me nuts and I'm frustrated and upset because the fans should not be torn and confused and fighting about it.

I just don't know, guys. :(
 
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MJearthsong said:
The Estate has been horrible so far. Whether MJ or not, how on earth do you put those songs on the first post-humous album??
Not to go into other dealings they did that are clearly shady and NOT as Michael would have handled things.
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The Estate were not involved in putting the songs on the album. They went straight through Sony. However, attempts were made by the Estate to have them removed from the album, but were unsuccessful.
 
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Aniram said:
But despite that long list of issues his voice was never affected, according to you guys he always sounded like a perfect angel.
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You are just being stubborn .:winking2:

No one said that his voice wasn't affected or didn't change over the years.It was affected and it changed but still you can recognize is him undoubtely.

And yes he always sounded like an angel , singing or speaking, recorded or live, as a child or as an adult, laughing or crying, wispering ar shouting, sighing or screaming LIKE A PERFECT ANGEL or simply like Michael.
 
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If it takes so much efforts and immaginations to be convinced that it's Michael Jackson, then something must be very wrong. But, many people just don't see the problems I see.
 
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biohazard4 said:
The Estate were not involved in putting the songs on the album. They went straight through Sony. However, attempts were made by the Estate to have them removed from the album, but were unsuccessful.
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So, Sony didn't need the Estate's approval?
 
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^^ To me, that's plain and simple proof right there that it's not him....Every single Michael Jackson vocal element is missing from these songs....That's the problem...
 
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You only hear michael some of the time because there were like 12 takes of each song recorded, and pieced together. tey only used the impersonator vocals that sounded most like michael for each part, in some cases, for each WORD. so it's natural to hear some parts that sound like michael--those are just the parts that were best imitated

but you can't look at it as "some parts", you have to look at the overall song. it's undeniable that there are parts that do NOT sound like michael jackson. and the real michael jackson sounds like michael jacson always because-well-he IS. mj's not always a perfect vocalist, that's not what we're saying. but he does always sound like himself. and he's certanly better than whatever's on the cascio tracks.
 
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love is magical said:
If it takes so much efforts and immaginations to be convinced that it's Michael Jackson, then something must be very wrong. But, many people just don't see the problems I see.
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Who are you talking about? Everyone in this thread seems to see the problems.
 
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azsummergirl said:
but you can't look at it as "some parts", you have to look at the overall song. it's undeniable that there are parts that do NOT sound like michael jackson. and the real michael jackson sounds like michael jacson always because-well-he IS. mj's not always a perfect vocalist, that's not what we're saying. but he does always sound like himself. and he's certanly better than whatever's on the cascio tracks.
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On Stay I basically hear him through the whole song, though. It all sounds like Michael to me. Same with the second verse on from KYHU. And the chorus on Breaking News sounds quite like Michael. So it's just a very confusing issue for me.

By the way, kind of off-topic but I've never thought of Katy Perry's Hot 'n Cold listening to Stay.
 
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Aniram said:
Who are you talking about? Everyone in this thread seems to see the problems.
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If you venture out of this thread, you will see many fans in this forum are not bothered by the Cascio tracks at all.

I'm not kidding. I saw comments like "I don't care who's singing Monster, as long as MJ has another number one hit, I don't care." before.
 
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love is magical said:
If you venture out of this thread, you will see many fans in this forum are not bothered by the Cascio tracks at all.

I'm not kidding. I saw comments like "I don't care who's singing Monster, as long as MJ has another number one hit, I don't care." before.
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Well, I guess you will find people like that on the internet. Remember there are all ages on the internet, too, that could have been some 11 year old kid that's super excited about Monster. :D
 
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Aniram said:
On Stay I basically hear him through the whole song, though. It all sounds like Michael to me. Same with the second verse on from KYHU. And the chorus on Breaking News sounds quite like Michael. So it's just a very confusing issue for me.

By the way, kind of off-topic but I've never thought of Katy Perry's Hot 'n Cold listening to Stay.
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azsummergirl is right. is it okay for us to consider only parts of the songs? should we accept a partial product?
 
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Aniram said:
Well, I guess you will find people like that on the internet. Remember there are all ages on the internet, too, that could have been some 11 year old kid that's super excited about Monster. :D
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may be you're right. i just don't expect that kind of comments from a MJ fan.
 
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No, I don't think it's okay to consider partial songs.

And I also don't think it's okay to accept Sony's dishonesty about this
if they have been.

But like I said, I can't say for certain if they're real or fake yet.

By the way, while I'm at it, I would like to please apologize and take back what I said earlier with the "according to you guys he always sounded like a perfect angel." and I don't like that comment one bit, I realize it sounded too harsh and stubborn and I just don't like the ring of it so I'm sorry for it and I take it back.

I agree, every time I've heard him other than these supposed Cascio tracks, he has sounded like a perfect angel to me.
 
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Aniram said:
No, I don't think it's okay to consider partial songs.

And I also don't think it's okay to accept Sony's dishonesty about this
if they have been.

But like I said, I can't say for certain if they're real or fake yet.

By the way, while I'm at it, I would like to please apologize and take back what I said earlier with the "according to you guys he always sounded like a perfect angel." and I don't like that comment one bit, I realize it sounded too harsh and stubborn and I just don't like the ring of it so I'm sorry for it and I take it back.

I agree, every time I've heard him other than these supposed Cascio tracks, he has sounded like a perfect angel to me.
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:better:

he sure did sound like an angel. a very sexy one too. :stars:
 
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Aniram said:
No, I don't think it's okay to consider partial songs.

And I also don't think it's okay to accept Sony's dishonesty about this
if they have been.

But like I said, I can't say for certain if they're real or fake yet.

By the way, while I'm at it, I would like to please apologize and take back what I said earlier with the "according to you guys he always sounded like a perfect angel." and I don't like that comment one bit, I realize it sounded too harsh and stubborn and I just don't like the ring of it so I'm sorry for it and I take it back.

I agree, every time I've heard him other than these supposed Cascio tracks, he has sounded like a perfect angel to me.
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I never thought I'm gonna do this :clapping:
 
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Yes, he was always very attractive to me. But I'm a straight guy, I think.
 
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Aniram said:
Yes, he was always very attractive to me. But I'm a straight guy, I think.
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That's why he's such a mega star. Who else can make a grown ass man faint in his presense? Both men and women find him attrative. People of all race find him attrative. He had universal appeal.

I remember reading this from Sam's FB.

"Mom, I'm not gay. But, I'm in love with a man." :lmao:
 
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