Michael - The Great Album Debate

[Aniram]

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Yeah they were rocking out to the fake tracks that night probably while they were partying with Jason Malachi.

"Jason, Michael's dead, come over. We'll record a song for old times sake.
We're set. Our tracks are going to be a smash."

 

[samhabib]

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Eddie hears that Michael Jackson has passed away. A burst of laughter erupts. He grabs his chest, wipes his tears of happiness away.

"We are going to be set for life now. This is the best news I've ever heard."

Eddie runs downstairs to his father. "Father, father! Michael's died!"

The Cascio residence starts partying until 3am.

(Hypothetical situation, of course, if the Cascio tracks are fake this could have likely been the situation?)

Yep, that's pretty much what happened I reckoned. "Daddy, we can write that book now and cash in till the cow's come home! We can trade in those 'friendship chips' and we'll be rich forever and ever! Hooray!!!"

Yes. That's what must have happened.

 

[Minimj]

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Yeah, partying.

Lie for it, die for it, do anything for Money

But don't forget what I said, many people sing there demo's like the person who they want it for, so they can see there voice on the song.

Ne-yo did this
R.Kelly did this.

Most likely many more.

They could have EASILY hired Jason for the job as a demo and got payed for it and no contract bla bla bla signed.

 

[ivy]

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It's a lot more plausible for these songs to be from pre-existing lyrics that had been slightly edited. Than it would be for these songs to be completely new, started from scratch and completed within 48 hours.


Not many artist has the time or drive to write an albums worth of material in two days. And from the way you refer to the Cascio's and their talents, they wouldn't be a part of the exceptional one's that would.

Give me multiple millions of dollars and the guarantee of songwriting royalties for the rest of mine and my families lives and I'll write 12 songs in 2 days. All of them with better English than the obvious piss-takes that the Cascio songs are. 'Eat your soul like a vegetable...'

Disgusting.

I want to remind everyone that the copyright registration is a "sound recording" which means there was "audio". So they would need to not only write 12 songs in 2 days but they'll need to hire and record with them with an impersonator in that time period as well.

 

[Dorian]

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Yeah they were rocking out to the fake tracks that night probably while they were partying with Jason Malachi. "Jason, Michael's dead, come over. We'll record a song for old times sake."

2 days to come up with a plan.Find a horrible MJ impersonator that couldn't fool many people,write 12 songs,buy some PVC pipes,bring Jason into the bathroom with it,push the buttons while he is singing and taking a shower,mixing the songs and creating a superficial instrumental for each song...

Wow,this means to live your life 100%.

 

[Aniram]

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Yeah, what you just said sounds absolutely insane and I highly doubt that happened??? In my opinion.

 

[Minimj]

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Yes sounds, not instrumentals - Breaking News is an example.

Far as we know of, only vocals were around. Easily a impersonator, as they are demos.

 

[Dorian]

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Yes sounds, not instrumentals - Breaking News is an example.

Far as we know of, only vocals were around. Easily a impersonator, as they are demos.

They also had a raw instrumental from what Korgnex posted a while ago.There couldn't have been vocals without at least one instrument,right?

 

[samhabib]

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I want to remind everyone that the copyright registration is a "sound recording" which means there was "audio". So they would need to not only write 12 songs in 2 days but they'll need to hire and record with them with an impersonator in that time period as well.

Yes, and the quality of the songs is testament to the lack of quality control.

Besides, the songs were still being worked on late into 2010, so whatever they handed in with their registration back in 2009 probably had nothing to do with the final tracks that we've all had the misfortune of hearing.

 

[Aniram]

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If it was Jason Malachi, don't you think Sony would have gone, "These are Jason Malachi, and they sound like shit. How are we supposed to market this?"

 

[Minimj]

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If it was Jason Malachi, don't you think Sony would have gone, "These are Jason Malachi, and they sound like shit. How are we supposed to market this?"

Hence why they had to get people to test the songs, but we actually don't know who they used etc. But thank god due to technology these days, there are so many techniques to change your voice.

They also had a raw instrumental from what Korgnex posted a while ago.There couldn't have been vocals without at least one instrument,right?

Huh? I never saw this. Where?

 

[samhabib]

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If it was Jason Malachi, don't you think Sony would have gone, "These are Jason Malachi, and they sound like shit. How are we supposed to market this?"

No I don't think Sony would have done that. Just like they saw the black boxes around the Thriller video on Visions and didn't think anything of it.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

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Wow, wow and lol, lol.

First I would like to remind this:

The Jackson family who are there "for financial interest" and of course "not" for their brother, father, uncle, etc, and yes, of course Paris's tears and vocie are "lying all the short speech long":

[youtube]SR4LRxBMUTk[/youtube]

And here is the "truth teller" who makes us believe the Cascio songs are Michael's, but neither trusts Paris's tears nor the Jackson family (I just wonder if he could say the same thing right into Paris's eyes):

[youtube]0oF87b4fcnE[/youtube]

The Jacksons, --despite their theoretical business-minded words to gain money thanks to Michael's name (e.g. Joe on CNN)-- they were however in reality paying the lawyers for homicide and independent doctors specialized in autopsy to find out what and who killed Michael. During that time the Cascios -who instead of thinking how to help with the homicide issue-- took legally necessary steps to cash in for questionable songs the day after Michael died. Real friends would give the money to the kids of their beloved killed friend.

One year later, here is the video that we get:

[youtube]uQiRHmTMUWw[/youtube]

Look who is standing next to Michael's kids -- the Cascios? I don't think so, they're 3T.


Now, all in all, this is what we have:

-Teddy Riley's credibility saying Michael is alive vs Paris's tears
-The same Teddy Riley's credibility saying Michael sings the Cascio songs vs the kids saying that it is not their father (unfortunately the video has been cencored)
-The same Teddy Riley's credibility saying that 3T are jaelous, yet they ARE Michael's nephews and they ARE next to MJ's children (not the Cascios)
-The Cascios claim to be Michael's friends for releasing (questionable) songs cashing in 5 million $. Why don't they give that money back to those who it belongs to, Michael's children? If MJ is indeed in those songs and if the real friends could do anything it would be at least give back to the father's children their father's voice and music. This way the children could have decided to one day release those songs or not. It is just as same as giving some precious objects to the mourning ones of their passed away relatives. But, hell no, the Cascio prefered to sell them. Who cares about the children and their dead father, and even less about the mourning fans (eagerly awaiting to buy anything with Michael's name on it).


Conclusion,
-The Jacksons talk the talk when it comes to business, but walk the walk when it comes to take care of Michael's homicide and courtroom in general (e.g. vs Tom Sneddon).
-The Cascios even don't talk the talk when it comes to homicide --except Teddy Riley saying that Michael is alive--, but they surely walk the walk when it comes to cash in, no matter how unethical it seems to be.

Irony:
After mentioning and knowing all these facts we are in ... Conspiracy Thread... lol

 

[ivy]

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Besides, the songs were still being worked on late into 2010, so whatever they handed in with their registration back in 2009 probably had nothing to do with the final tracks that we've all had the misfortune of hearing.

substantial change in the songs makes the copyright useless and void. Copyright can only be established against what is submitted in other words what was in the audio files. so for that to happen we would need to see new updated registrations with reference back to the original one.

 

[AnnieRUOkay89]

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There isn't any proof of the children making any claims regarding these songs though, other than a tabloid article, so why are we judging them here?

 

[Arklove]

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Wow, wow and lol, lol.

First I would like to remind this:

The Jackson family who are there "for financial interest" and of course "not" for their brother, father, uncle, etc, and yes, of course Paris's tears and vocie are "lying all the short speech long":

[youtube]SR4LRxBMUTk[/youtube]

And here is the "truth teller" who makes us believe the Cascio songs are Michael's, but neither trusts Paris's tears nor the Jackson family (I just wonder if he could say the same thing right into Paris's eyes):

[youtube]0oF87b4fcnE[/youtube]

The Jacksons, --despite their theoretical business-minded words to gain money thanks to Michael's name (e.g. Joe on CNN)-- they were however in reality paying the lawyers for homicide and independent doctors specialized in autopsy to find out what and who killed Michael. During that time the Cascios -who instead of thinking how to help with the homicide issue-- took legally necessary steps to cash in for questionable songs the day after Michael died. Real friends would give the money to the kids of their beloved killed friend.

One year later, here is the video that we get:

[youtube]uQiRHmTMUWw[/youtube]

Look who is standing next to Michael's kids -- the Cascios? I don't think so, they're 3T.


Now, all in all, this is what we have:

-Teddy Riley's credibility saying Michael is alive vs Paris's tears
-The same Teddy Riley's credibility saying Michael sings the Cascio songs vs the kids saying that it is not their father (unfortunately the video has been cencored)
-The same Teddy Riley's credibility saying that 3T are jaelous, yet they ARE Michael's nephews and they ARE next to MJ's children (not the Cascios)
-The Cascios claim to be Michael's friends for releasing (questionable) songs cashing in 5 million $. Why don't they give that money back to those who it belongs to, Michael's children? If MJ is indeed in those songs and if the real friends could do anything it would be at least give back to the father's children their father's voice and music. This way the children could have decided to one day release those songs or not. It is just as same as giving some precious objects to the mourning ones of their passed away relatives. But, hell no, the Cascio prefered to sell them. Who cares about the children and their dead father, and even less about the mourning fans (eagerly awaiting to buy anything with Michael's name on it).


Conclusion,
-The Jacksons talk the talk when it comes to business, but walk the walk when it comes to take care of Michael's homicide and courtroom in general (e.g. vs Tom Sneddon).
-The Cascios even don't talk the talk when it comes to homicide --except Teddy Riley saying that Michael is alive--, but they surely walk the walk when it comes to cash in, no matter how unethical it seems to be.

Irony:
After mentioning and knowing all these facts we are in ... Conspiracy Thread... lol

:clapping: :clapping:

 

[samhabib]

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substantial change in the songs makes the copyright useless and void. Copyright can only be established against what is submitted in other words what was in the audio files. so for that to happen we would need to see new updated registrations with reference back to the original one.

Which can always happen in retrospect, just as Michael did with 2Bad - registering it in 1996, a year after it was recorded and released.

 

[samhabib]

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There isn't any proof of the children making any claims regarding these songs though, other than a tabloid article, so why are we judging them here?

Are you then claiming that they could claim that Michael IS on those records while hanging out with Taj and Taryll? Is that what you're claiming??? That they could hang out with their cousins, who have aggressively claimed the songs as bogus, yet still believe the songs are legitimate? Because I couldn't think of anything more outlandish to be honest.

 

[Aniram]

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Bumper, I think you're inappropriately mixing his personal life and his professional life. He did have a separate professional identity, we all know that.

That's why things like 3T are standing next to his children, not the Cascio's. They are real family. They are the Jackson's. It's all personal that way. In the studio, it's professional.

When was Hold My Hand recorded, exactly? Remember, Eddie said they recorded their songs in early 2007. If Hold My Hand was recorded, say, more towards the end of 2007? Wouldn't his voice possibly sound more trained after doing constant vocal warm-ups?

 

[Arklove]

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^^ Did Michael not consider the Cascio's as family? Oh, right....

and we've seen Mike sing on the fly, on the street, without constant vocal warm up....so, that excuse doesn't work...

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

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Bumper, I think you're inappropriately mixing his personal life and his professional life. He did have a separate professional identity, we all know that.

That's why things like 3T are standing next to his children, not the Cascio's. They are real family. They are the Jackson's. It's all personal that way. In the studio, it's professional.

When was Hold My Hand recorded, exactly? Remember, Eddie said they recorded their songs in early 2007. If Hold My Hand was recorded, say, more towards the end of 2007? Wouldn't his voice possibly sound more trained after doing constant vocal warm-ups?

Right my point, personal life and business life.

The Cascio were all but business partners and now all of sudden they are cashing in.

If MJ is recorded somewhere and if those recordings are possessed by intimate friends, instead of money-making, they could have given them all to the children of their beloved friend. But no, they prefered selling and cashing in. Do you think that MJ's kids will ever pay a visit to the Cascios after all what happened? I just wonder. And do you think Teddy could say straight into Michael's children eyes, your dad is alive?

Strange theory of yours that you defend. I have impression that Cascio defenders or so called believers are more conspiracy theorists than the other way round.

 

[Aniram]

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I've seen it too? Why doesn't it work? It doesn't work for you, maybe it works for me.

Sure, he considered them family, but there was tension, and it was not a time for that. I'm sure they respectfully stood back and let the family handle it. They are not the REAL family and it would be offensive to many if they tried to step in and act like they are his favorites or something.

 

[samhabib]

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^^ Did Michael not consider the Cascio's as family? Oh, right....

and we've seen Mike sing on the fly, on the street, without constant vocal warm up....so, that excuse doesn't work...

Indeed. "Oh yeah, he sings like a complete amateur without vocal warm-ups". Please!

 

[Aniram]

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I've seen that video a billion times. It says nothing about this issue, really. Michael was recording real professional music at that time, not demos. He had just come out of Invincible. He had prepared for a tour. He had performed shows a year prior. How does that compare?

 

[samhabib]

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Here he is again doing his best Jason Malachi impression without vocal warm-ups. Or maybe he had warm-ups for court and not for the studio?!?! It's almost funny really!

 

[samhabib]

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I've seen that video a billion times. It says nothing about this issue, really. Michael was recording real professional music at that time, not demos. He had just come out of Invincible. He had prepared for a tour. He had performed shows a year prior. How does that compare?

He had recorded Invincible about 3 years earlier, so save the inaccurate history lesson. He hadn't toured in about 7 years and hardly sang a note live in his show 2 years earlier.

If you're going to debate, at least get your facts right.

What does it prove? It proves that you're absolutely incorrect. That's what it proves.

 

[Arklove]

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[YouTube]QUQBaoJ9xcw[/YouTube]

No vocal warm up and he sounds like a dream....and reluctant to sing on top of that!

 

[Aniram]

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You forget that Michael Jackson was a person that suffered from lots of illness and struggled with many problems. He went through surgeries, he went through back problems, his joints ached from years of dancing, he no doubt had arthritis. We could go on and on about these issues.

Truth is, Sam, you have absolutely no idea how sick Michael Jackson got at times, especially after the 2005 Trials. He may not have ALWAYS been with his children. What if he had to be hospitalized sometimes? What if he had to have a nanny watch the children while he rested and got better?

Perhaps Michael Jackson, in his later years, didn't ALWAYS have the time to rehearse and dance and train his voice to the perfection that he had in his early career? Maybe he didn't even FEEL like doing it anymore from working SO HARD ALL HIS LIFE? Why don't you give the man a break instead of expecting that he was always working his ass off and creating the next biggest thing topping Thriller.

Maybe he just wanted to create what he wanted to create and he wanted to do it at his pace and maybe not all of it sounded amazing. None of that takes away from the fact that he was an angel, an amazing human being, one of the best to have ever lived, the best of our generation.

 

[Minimj]

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When was Hold My Hand recorded, exactly? Remember, Eddie said they recorded their songs in early 2007. If Hold My Hand was recorded, say, more towards the end of 2007? Wouldn't his voice possibly sound more trained after doing constant vocal warm-ups?

That made me laugh. So how come the rest of Michael's demo's sound like Michael's normal voice, where as the Cascio tracks don't? So surely Michael still did vocal warm ups for demo's. So why different for the Cascio's?

Michael recorded them August to October. (I think that is correct) So it was the middle of the year.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

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You forget that Michael Jackson was a person that suffered from lots of illness and struggled with many problems. He went through surgeries, he went through back problems, his joints ached from years of dancing, he no doubt had arthritis. We could go on and on about these issues.

And still sounded the same on all the songs recorded before, during and after that year except on those Cascio songs.