I never said they weren't to blame for their participation, if this is the case? Why do you three keep saying this? What I said was they aren't to be blamed for what they're being accused of by certain members, when the dates don't add up.
If two people would rob a bank, and got caught, a person ended up dead. The getaway driver and actual robber is in police custody, would the driver be accused of murder, when prints, weapons, witnesses, all point to the one inside the bank for the murder? No, they'd be an accomplice, but they won't be charged with murder. Would it be fair to accuse them of murder?
Thanks Nick for sharing your opinion. I know Sony doesn't care about the outcome of this debate. We are pretty helpless here.
But still, would you please share what you saw in the Pro Tools sessions? Fans here really want to know. We want to be informed. So far, we've gotten nothing from the official channel. It's very frustrating.
Here is my enthusiast producer/remixer opinion:
Most of the files (if not all) are full-length stems. This means they were rendered out first and then put into these sessions. I am guessing these are the files sent to Riley and Sony. Both him and Sony may have easily been tricked. There are still no clear answers, just more speculation. More educated speculation, though.
What does "rendered out first and then put sessions" mean? Sorry, I don't understand music mixing language.
Nick, If I'm not mistaken I have your brilliant Who Is It remix. I love it!
Thank you for all of your information.'
edit: Yes, it is your remix, I recognized the logo from your signature!
Most sessions have audio in pieces placed along each track. (This is if it's a common pop song. Orchestral, some rock, and live recordings are all done at once usually). Whether it's a loop or a vocal take, not everything is one long continuous track. Each part on these is one long track, so they had to have been saved as such first.
Did I explain that good enough? lol
What does it imply?
Cascio did whatever they wanted to do and sent to Sony to send to Riley. Meaning Riley was limited to what he could work with.
Cascio did whatever they wanted to do and sent to Sony to send to Riley. Meaning Riley was limited to what he could work with.
Oh, please just leave the shower story. Its all lies. MJ never recorded in the cascios shower ever. The most he did their was wash his ass like any other human being.
Please, grow up. You have no idea what you're talking about. It is entirely reasonable. If you've read this thread before there have been several musicians talking about their experiences with shower vocal recordings.
We all want to know the truth behind, thing is we probably wont ever and whatever happens we will never get anyone to admit anything.
There are still no clear answers, just more speculation. More educated speculation, though.
This whole thing will remain a "conspiracy" forever
What about the "HAA!" in Monster?
thats Jason Malachi's own voice there.
Well perhaps these tracks were just in the Angelikson vault and they sent them the tracks they had worked on? Maybe Eddie had worked on restoring them and making them sound as best he could and Sony took the job from there? We can't be sure but that seems as likely to me as 'they're hiding something'.
Also, when Birchey says 'Multiple mics were used'.. Could this perhaps be the shower mic and also the mic from the other room they recorded in? And maybe the one labeled the 'telephone'? Very interesting!
What's there to restore? If Michael did lay down his vocals for 12 demos, we would not have heard all the butchering, copy-and-pasting and melodyning.
Yes, Michael is in the song, but do we know how much? Vast majority of the songs are filled with other vocals or vocals from prior works.
I don't know why you make it sound like the Cascios were actually doing Michael a favor by restoring the tracks and doing the best they could, when clearly that's not what they were doing.
What's there to restore? If Michael did lay down his vocals for 12 demos, we would not have heard all the butchering, copy-and-pasting and melodyning.
Ivy, why do you omit the post where Birchey clealy said vast majority of the songs were not sung by Michael. He also said he didn't believe Michael was behind the mic. So, we have a Michael Jackson track in which vast majority of the song was not sung by him.
- The "Water Water" segment in TII is indeed the Cascio track, which indicates that MJ did know about those songs.
- "Some parts are MJ", which indicates that MJ did record those songs.
- "Multiple takes" were used and cut and pasted to create the final songs, which again indicates they did use MJ's voices, since otherwise they could have just gotten an impostor to sing the complete song in one take.