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Michael - The Great Album Debate

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It's only a matter of time until this fraud is exposed. I will not be a bit surprised when it happens if sony claim they were victims of the fraud too. At the end of the day they will say they bought the tracks in good faith and did all they could to verify authenticity when concerns were raised. They went on the album with the approval of the estate and they had teddy riley vouch for the tracks too. Sony have their asses well and truly covered. I really want to see the cascios caught out though. They are liars. Teddy riley too. They have betrayed michael in so many ways by creating and selling those horrible tracks.
 
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mjjesamor said:
It's only a matter of time until this fraud is exposed. I will not be a bit surprised when it happens if sony claim they were victims of the fraud too. At the end of the day they will say they bought the tracks in good faith and did all they could to verify authenticity when concerns were raised. They went on the album with the approval of the estate and they had teddy riley vouch for the tracks too. Sony have their asses well and truly covered.
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If this scenario would play out to be true, this is most likely. I just don't think it's a case of ass covering because if they truly don't know they are victims in a way too. Let's see what happens. If anything happens that is.
 
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Roosje said:
^^ I'm sorry if I said something not so useful (although I still agree with my own statement about company credibility outweighing trying fraud) - I must have missed something, but then again hasn't all been said a thousand times before in this thread? It's not as if this isn't cycle 378 of the same conversation. This new 'evidence' reminds me of previous threads like 'JM's manager has spilled the beans' and the so-called letter from Jason with his admittance. If any of those were true it would have been a court case by now. Same goes for this.
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You agree with your own statement? :)

It is not that you said anything useless, it is just that your question actually contains your answer with which you agree, so I don't know what else to say than that SONY is not afraid of being tarnished because of all the little necessary steps they did to cover themselves. But again, my answer becomes useless as you agree with your own answer.
 
mjjesamor;3321172 said:
It's only a matter of time until this fraud is exposed. I will not be a bit surprised when it happens if sony claim they were victims of the fraud too. At the end of the day they will say they bought the tracks in good faith and did all they could to verify authenticity when concerns were raised. They went on the album with the approval of the estate and they had teddy riley vouch for the tracks too. Sony have their asses well and truly covered. I really want to see the cascios caught out though. They are liars. Teddy riley too. They have betrayed michael in so many ways by creating and selling those horrible tracks.
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I think the same.

Someone will take the first step, maybe Sony, maybe the Jackson Family...

We´ll see.

It´s a matter of time.
 
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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
You agree with your own statement? :)

It is not that you said anything useless, it is just that your question actually contains your answer with which you agree, so I don't know what else to say than that SONY is not afraid of being tarnished because of all the little necessary steps they did to cover themselves. But again, my answer becomes useless as you agree with your own answer.
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Huh? You lost me here. I didn't ask a question... I guess my brain is off today, so nevermind.
 
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Well roosje it is indeed quite possible that they were fooled initially when they first purchased the tracks. But i find it hard to believe that once family members, ex producers and others expressed doubt that they remained confident of the tracks authenticity. I think they took a purely financial decision to cover themselves legally and forge ahead regardless. I think it's incredible given the initial reaction of fans to breaking news that they left the songs on the album. But again perhaps a financial decision? They had already spent millions on the tracks and cd's were already in production....i can't stand to even think that they were more involved than that or that they might be planning to do this again in future. Please god they don't give us this shit ever again.
 
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Roosje said:
Huh? You lost me here. I didn't ask a question... I guess my brain is off today, so nevermind.
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My mistake, you didn't indeed ask a question. I responded to your comment as I anticipated in it an answer to a question: "why would they do so if their image could be tarnished?". Sorry
 
Why they streamed "Breaking news" before the release of the album?.

Because they wanted to know the fans´s reaction and because they had doubts after heard what the Jackson Family and McClain said about the tracks.

It was a chain of bad decisions, but the money is the money.

They were fooled by Roger Friedman, Branca, DiLeo, Porte & Cascios.

"They don´t care the used me for the money".
 
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Tracks named "MJGrunts_2"....How sickening! This is just absolutely disgraceful....no, scratch that...it's absolutely disgusting...
 
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I happen to have compiled several vocal files to help me fill out my tribute song. I had to rely mostly on the "Breaking News" a capella and the scream from "Michael Jackson's Ghosts". I'd actually be interested to hear those vocal files.
 
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Kapital77 said:
They were fooled by Roger Friedman, Branca, DiLeo, Porte & Cascios.
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  • Roger Friedman is a tabloid journalist that reported about the deal from an inside source at the MJ Estate. How come thinking he would fool Sony AFTER the deal was already being negotiated. He leaked first-hand info ABOUT the deal when it was IN THE MAKING.

    Your theory of Sony execs reading a blog by a fired Fox News tabloid journalist and making a deal afterwards is the most funny thing I've read so far.
    You continue to post this non-sense for quite a while. It's about time to understand that this is totally out of this world.



  • John Branca shall have fooled HIMSELF and John McClain?
    The MJ Estate is a TEAM, not just 2 or 1 person. Both heads are mutually agreeing on what the whole TEAM shall work on.
    They have insisted on a forensic test and both heads have commissioned to go with the tracks after the result of this test was POSITIVE.
    There's no betrayal from their side. Don't call people liars without actually understanding how the MJ Estate is legally operating.
    IF John McClain really didn't want the tracks (as only Jackie Jackson is claiming) he could have countermanded any deal or cancel preliminary negotiations as he IS(!) in the position to do so.
    It was IN FACT the sole decision by the MJ Estate to urge "Breaking News" to become the teaser for the album "Michael". They also made sure that "Hold My Hand" would follow as the first digital/physical single.

    "Keep Your Head Up" and "Monster" have been bottled up in favor of the concerns of the fan community which they would need for any upcoming fan-focused events (see next projects).
    The official French press release for BEHIND THE MASK slightly indicates this and can be considered the 1st official statement by Sony Music to address the concerns after the MJ Estate had also addressed it.

    IF there's a real issue, the MJ Estate actually DOES(!) take legal actions. Examples:
    • Howard Mann case (misusing MJ's name)
    • wrong HTW foundation (misusing MJ's name)


    IF they were fooled by the Cascios, nothing would stop them from taking legal steps about it. They wouldn't waste such an opportunity to get their money back by some scammers...



  • Frank DiLeo and James Porte shall have fooled Sony Music by what?
    By making sure that James Porte is credited as supporting vocalist because - as a matter of fact - he ACTUALLY IS(!) a featured artist on the tracks?

    Or maybe you are thinking they both know that James Porte would be in contact with Jason and that Jason and James Porte would have recorded those songs.

    All right!



You're just throwing some names in without anything to backup your claims.
(Oh, and why didn't you mention Teddy Riley and Tricky Stewart? Are they sth special?)


I read through your long thread over at MJHideOut and I always notice that you're pushing forward your own personal opinion WHO EXACTLY shall have committed a fraud as this serves your purpose of telling the whole world your ultimate "truth".
That won't help your side at all. Rather the contrary, my friend.

However you're not even satisfying basic research requirements as can be seen on how you established the "Roger Friendman" fraud theory by just reading through his news and by concluding like that: "Oh, so he must have helped selling those songs to Sony Music. It's a fraud, it's a conspiracy, I know it."
You simply ignored he had an insider at MJ's camp for many years that made it possible for him to get very interesting info from time to time.
 
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Kapital77 said:
Aniram, Birchey said the truth that you dont want to understand:

It's a fraud, a conspiracy, and the Cascio used Jason Malachi plus adlibs from older song.

If you are excited to hear the other fake song, good for you.
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Cut it out. What was said is that Michael is on these songs, but in his opinion, most of the lead vocals aren't him. Stop trying to claim your belief as almighty truth, when it's far from it.

Another thing, if this is Jason Malachi on these records the Cascio's aren't to blame, here's why. These songs were registered merely days after Michael passed, they were sold to Sony in late '09, early '10. According to Birchey, the ProTool's session is from August of 2010, a few months before the album released. Which means if anything happened, Sony was responsible, the only thing the Cascio's would be guilty of would be accepting the money they were paid to stay mum on what was done after they had sold the material.
 
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I'll vouch for Birchey here. I have a feeling that what him and I are seeing is the "forensic evidence" provided to Sony. And if that's the case, it easily could have been faked.
 
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@korgnex, would you please provide your insight to the following question?

love is magical said:
In your opinion, stating in percentage to the best of your ability, how many % is 2007 MJ? How many % is James Porte? How many % is other backup vocalists? How many % is rip-off of previous MJ songs? How many % is computerization?
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AnnieRUOkay89 said:
Another thing, if this is Jason Malachi on these records the Cascio's aren't to blame, here's why. These songs were registered merely days after Michael passed, they were sold to Sony in late '09, early '10. According to Birchey, the ProTool's session is from August of 2010, a few months before the album released. Which means if anything happened, Sony was responsible, the only thing the Cascio's would be guilty of would be accepting the money they were paid to stay mum on what was done after they had sold the material.
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In my eyes, it makes them both as bad as each other. Especially when you consider his Oprah performance.

In fact, it's worse. He claims to be a close friend. Sony, as an entity, is a business, so faceless corporate scheming is not unheard of.
 
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AnnieRUOkay89 said:
Cut it out. What was said is that Michael is on these songs, but in his opinion, most of the lead vocals aren't him. Stop trying to claim your belief as almighty truth, when it's far from it.

Another thing, if this is Jason Malachi on these records the Cascio's aren't to blame, here's why. These songs were registered merely days after Michael passed, they were sold to Sony in late '09, early '10. According to Birchey, the ProTool's session is from August of 2010, a few months before the album released. Which means if anything happened, Sony was responsible, the only thing the Cascio's would be guilty of would be accepting the money they were paid to stay mum on what was done after they had sold the material.
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What a great friend Eddie Cascio is! He's truly an individual with integrity.
 
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nick2341 said:
I'll vouch for Birchey here. I have a feeling that what him and I are seeing is the "forensic evidence" provided to Sony. And if that's the case, it easily could have been faked.
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The ProTools sessions by the producers from late 2010 Birchey is referring to?


You DO know that the forensic tests consist of very long documents that were done at a much earlier instant of time, don't you?


No, no, that's definitely not what Birchey is referring to.
 
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Korgnex said:
The ProTools sessions by the producers from late 2010 Birchey is referring to?

You DO know that the forensic tests consist of very long documents that were done at a much earlier instant of time, don't you?

No, no, that's definitely not what Birchey is referring to.
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I've been waiting for someone who has seen these documents and knows their details. Please can you post them for us?
 
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Korgnex said:
The ProTools sessions by the producers from late 2010 Birchey is referring to?


You DO know that the forensic tests consist of very long documents that were done at a much earlier instant of time, don't you?


No, no, that's definitely not what Birchey is referring to.
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Yes, I'm talking about the Pro Tools sessions.

No, I haven't seen any forensic documents. I really didn't care about the debate at the time. So I guess I stand corrected.
 
Kapital77;3321076 said:
Not, this is what Birchey said:









Maybe he is another who believes in your so call "conspiracy"

Maybe you are wrong and don´t want to read what Birchey said:

It´s Jason Malachi on the Cascio´s songs and there is a conspiracy.

Maybe because you have relationships with Sony... and maybe with Cascios, you can´t said that the voice of those songs it´s not Michael.

PLEASE, DON´T TRY TO CHANGE WHAT BIRCHEY SAID. STOP !!!
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Why are you ignoring this?


Birchey;3320673 said:
My own opinion like above is that there IS michael in there, lines sungs for some of these songs, some of the backing vocals are 100% Michael, I would not even challange that, I have never heard anyone layer his vox like he does, one song is reminiscent of the Leave Me Alone backing vox its that rich.
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Get over yourself, Kapital....@ Love Is Magical & Kopwatcher, I didn't say that made them better or worse than anyone, I just pointed out what they would truly be at blame for and what they wouldn't. When you have certain people in here saying "The Cascios hired Malachi to do this", when the dates simply don't add up.
 
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What is Eddie Cascio guilty of?

A. Fraud
B. Promoting fraud
C. Profiteering from fraud
D. False advertising
E. Misrepresentation

Who asked the Cascios to go on Oprah and promote those songs as legit???
 
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AnnieRUOkay89 said:
@ Love Is Magical & Kopwatcher, I didn't say that made them better or worse than anyone, I just pointed out what they would truly be at blame for and what they wouldn't. When you have certain people in here saying "The Cascios hired Malachi to do this", when the dates simply don't add up.
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The Cascios are still the one to blame. It doesn't matter whether the hired Malachi or any other soundalike or not. They fully knew what they had was not releasable. The MJ vocals snippets and background vocals were not good enough. They knew in their hearts that if they sold the songs to Sony, a ridiculous amount of manipulations and processings have to be done to release the songs. Why they chose to be a part of such shaddy project? None of the songs turn out to be worthwhile. Didn't they knew the amount of blood and tears Michael poured into his works? Why did they want to dilute Michael's almost perfect catalog? For what? For a few quick bucks and the recognitions to be associated with a Michael Jackson album.
 
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Arklove said:
What is Eddie Cascio guilty of?

A. Fraud
B. Promoting fraud
C. Profiteering from fraud
D. False advertising
E. Misrepresentation

Who asked the Cascios to go on Oprah and promote those songs as legit???
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...and the worst one of all?

Betrayal.
 
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love is magical said:
Totally! Betraying him when he can no longer defend himself is disgusting.
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....while his death is still under investigation...SICK
 
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love is magical said:
The Cascios are still the one to blame. It doesn't matter whether the hired Malachi or any other soundalike or not. They fully knew what they had was not releasable. The MJ vocals snippets and background vocals were not good enough. They knew in their hearts that if they sold the songs to Sony, a ridiculous amount of manipulations and processings have to be done to release the songs. Why they chose to be a part of such shaddy project? None of the songs turn out to be worthwhile. Didn't they knew the amount of blood and tears Michael poured into his works? Why did they want to dilute Michael's almost perfect catalog? For what? For a few quick bucks and the recognitions to be associated with a Michael Jackson album.
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I never said they weren't to blame for their participation, if this is the case? Why do you three keep saying this? What I said was they aren't to be blamed for what they're being accused of by certain members, when the dates don't add up.

If two people would rob a bank, and got caught, a person ended up dead. The getaway driver and actual robber is in police custody, would the driver be accused of murder, when prints, weapons, witnesses, all point to the one inside the bank for the murder? No, they'd be an accomplice, but they won't be charged with murder. Would it be fair to accuse them of murder?
 
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nick2341 said:
Yes, I'm talking about the Pro Tools sessions.

No, I haven't seen any forensic documents. I really didn't care about the debate at the time. So I guess I stand corrected.
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Thanks Nick for sharing your opinion. I know Sony doesn't care about the outcome of this debate. We are pretty helpless here.

But still, would you please share what you saw in the Pro Tools sessions? Fans here really want to know. We want to be informed. So far, we've gotten nothing from the official channel. It's very frustrating.
 
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@ AnnieRUOkay

Even if the driver gave them the gun? Probably not.

Does it make the situation any easier? No.

Does it really make Cascio any less guilty? No. You're talking technicalities. Betrayal is betrayal, it doesn't matter which way you slice the cake.

Assuming of course, the obvious.
 
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