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Michael - The Great Album Debate

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oh good, i can't wait to see his reaction. also pentum's.
 
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We all want to know the truth behind, thing is we probably wont ever and whatever happens we will never get anyone to admit anything. Not unless you have video of the imposter singing in a studio with Cascio.

Now like I said before there is a heck of alot up with these tracks, its runs deeper than just listening to them, the material I have is sensitive and It has no place online, I have notified the right people about it and where it came from, but on the other side I can still talk about it, but I have no right in the world sharing or leaking anything, and its not my style.

Now the lead vocal is the big problem on these, upon listening to them again I think there IS some Michael in it, distinct changed, word pronouncians that I have never heard anyone else do, but I think alot fo the blank leads have been "filled" in with this other person.

I also mentioned before that they appear to come from different Mics, I cant be 100% sure on this, as they may have been edited upto this process, but the sounds distinctly change.

My own opinion like above is that there IS michael in there, lines sungs for some of these songs, some of the backing vocals are 100% Michael, I would not even challange that, I have never heard anyone layer his vox like he does, one song is reminiscent of the Leave Me Alone backing vox its that rich.

This whole thing is a case of copy and paste and there are obvious reasons no one has presented us with any evidence of Michael singing these songs in full.

This whole thing will remain a "conspiracy" forever, I can tell you one thing though, I know one of the possible tracks for the next album, and its Michael and its amazing, like truly amazing! thats something to look forwards too, and no cascio thank god.
 
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Birchey said:
We all want to know the truth behind, thing is we probably wont ever and whatever happens we will never get anyone to admit anything. Not unless you have video of the imposter singing in a studio with Cascio.

Now like I said before there is a heck of alot up with these tracks, its runs deeper than just listening to them, the material I have is sensitive and It has no place online, I have notified the right people about it and where it came from, but on the other side I can still talk about it, but I have no right in the world sharing or leaking anything, and its not my style.

Now the lead vocal is the big problem on these, upon listening to them again I think there IS some Michael in it, distinct changed, word pronouncians that I have never heard anyone else do, but I think alot fo the blank leads have been "filled" in with this other person.

I also mentioned before that they appear to come from different Mics, I cant be 100% sure on this, as they may have been edited upto this process, but the sounds distinctly change.

My own opinion like above is that there IS michael in there, lines sungs for some of these songs, some of the backing vocals are 100% Michael, I would not even challange that, I have never heard anyone layer his vox like he does, one song is reminiscent of the Leave Me Alone backing vox its that rich.

This whole thing is a case of copy and paste and there are obvious reasons no one has presented us with any evidence of Michael singing these songs in full.

This whole thing will remain a "conspiracy" forever, I can tell you one thing though, I know one of the possible tracks for the next album, and its Michael and its amazing, like truly amazing! thats something to look forwards too, and no cascio thank god.
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So are all 12 Cascio tracks cut/paste impersonator vocals (with snippets of Michael)?
Or are some all Michael? What percentage would you say is Michael and is an impersonator?

Whether its 10% Michael or 90% Michael I've always believed it's truly ludicrous to hire someone who isn't Michael to pose as him. Totally destroying his legacy.

Thank you for your findings Birchey :)
 
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Sigh... before the Michael album, all that we worried about were excessive autotune, lousy arrangement, poor song choices. Now, we have to worry about possible fake tracks... This is just wrong...
 
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love is magical said:
Sigh... before the Michael album, all that we worried about were excessive autotune, lousy arrangement, poor song choices. Now, we have to worry about possible fake tracks... This is just wrong...
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I know....It's just unbelievable....:no: ...Poor Michael....
 
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Thank you for your posts, Birchey. I love your remixes, by the way, Hold My Hand is so brilliant.

I am very excited by your posts to hear the other Cascio tracks...

I have always felt that there were certain lines that just had to be Michael Jackson, it sounds way too much like him...

Then there ARE areas where I admit it sounds off, but I can blame that on the processing if I hear him for certain in other areas.

However, what you say does make a lot of sense...

I kind of wonder why you go from suddenly 99% certain it's Jason Malachi to now you're saying Michael IS on these songs in some parts...

I think it's most likely Michael Jackson is on these tracks(other people on background vocals)but they have been completely butchered to shit?
 
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Birchey said:
Now like I said before there is a heck of alot up with these tracks, its runs deeper than just listening to them, the material I have is sensitive and It has no place online, I have notified the right people about it and where it came from, but on the other side I can still talk about it, but I have no right in the world sharing or leaking anything, and its not my style.
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Hmm...
 
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I just think it's so morbid sounding that Michael Jackson's grunts and breaths have to be copied and pasted. What on Earth?

These tracks are obviously chopped and butchered to complete hell/shit. I noticed that right away... and yes it is sickening and I totally understand the anger fans have. I think Breaking News is the worst example of this horrible butchering, the others are better.

But I still hear Michael in many parts of these songs, especially Keep Your Head Up, Stay and All I Need.

Birchey, I feel like everyone is bombarding you with questions. I'm sure you understood this would happen and feel like you need to share as much as you can with us. I appreciate that very much.

I have another question for you if you get around to it, how do they sound to you without music, if you can maybe listen to the acapellas? I'd be interested in hearing what kind of vocal splicing went into Keep Your Head Up and Stay and All I Need.

You said one song was put together from 9 different songs? For some reason I have a feeling this could be Breaking News, I have always felt like that song is from several different songs put into one... Lots of these Cascio tracks seem that way, though.
 
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I'm just glad there's evidence out there somewhere in the hands of someone not interested in covering this up. Especially if it's a staff member.

The implications of this Pro-Tools session(s) does not surprise me one bit - it just supports what some of us have known since the beginning.

If this evidence is not acted on by the appropriate people Birchey has informed, it must come out in the public domain.
 
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Aniram, Birchey said the truth that you dont want to understand:

It's a fraud, a conspiracy, and the Cascio used Jason Malachi plus adlibs from older song.

If you are excited to hear the other fake song, good for you.
 
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biohazard4 said:
What someone needs to do is to establish a direct link between Cascio and Cupeta. I'm sure that can be done. I've got pretty close but hit a wall.
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Well a Demo of "Biggerman" by Jason Malachi exists with what sounds like vocals sung by JAMES PORTE.
 
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@MJRemixed: Well, please upload that demo! :D

How come u r sayin' the "Ha" in "Monster" is sung by the Jason dude?


@Kapital77: Do u agree with MJRemixed that the "Ha" in Monster is sung by the Jason dude?




What Birchey was actually confirming is that the so-called tracks were made up by the producers at the studio and the many gaps were filled with ad-libs from previous MJ stuff.

What's so brand-new and interesting about this?
This is all known for several months now. How else have our "detectives" here found out where samples have been cut in.

These songs didn't exist that way. They were especially created for "Michael" in 2010. The raw demo vocals and such have never been released/leaked.



Birchey like everyone else has the right to share his opinion.
However he didn't really provide any new helpful info but that "Water" does indeed sound like in the movie "This Is It".

I already said that "Water" is probably the only Cascio song that MJ later did a new version of in 2009. When both versions are released/leaked, you'll realize it.
And if that doesn't confirm certain things, well...


You'll see that absolutely nothing concerning legal things will happen. The vocals are all MJ and James Porte, no Jason dude anywhere. Everything has been properly credited, registered and researched.


This "conspiracy" that some of you wish so desperately to exist will be forgotten in some years. The Jason dude will be forgotten, too. The whole impersonator issue will be forgotten.
The accusations of people wanting to destroy Michael's legacy with fake tracks will be forgotten...



Birchey is currently on the trails of how the lead vocals have been intensified to be strong enough for release-worthy mixing.
 
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Korgnex - Birchey also said some other things which you have conveniently omitted.
 
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kopwatcher said:
Korgnex - Birchey also said some other things which you have conveniently omitted.
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For example that he believes 99% that Jason Malachi was implied.

The remaining 1% is probably referring to another impostor than Jason. lol
 
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Thanks Birchey :flowers:

Korgnex, you will eat your words. Just wait :)
 
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^ I sincerely hope you will stand corrected. :flowers:
 
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I still am so confused about the whole situation. Why would Sony use fake songs? Thats what i just can't get my head around.
 
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michaeljojacksonfan said:
I still am so confused about the whole situation. Why would Sony use fake songs? Thats what i just can't get my head around.
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If SONY can endlessly milk you, why wouldn't they use fake songs if they can sell them? Is it so difficult to imagine that money is behind all this?

Those who gave credit to the Cascio family and Teddy Riley thought what? That they were millions-of-dollars-proof? Some would sell their own mother for couple of bucks, why not selling dead Michael Jackson for millions of dollars? Friends my a$$!
 
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^Sony would lose more than they could ever gain from this if they did indeed deliberately put false songs on the album. If they lose credibility as a music publisher they are tarnished forever. Not worth the gamble for such a big company.
 
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Roosje said:
^Sony would lose more than they could ever gain from this if they did indeed deliberately put false songs on the album. If they lose credibility as a music publisher they are tarnished forever. Not worth the gamble for such a big company.
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Have you read the last ten pages or so?
 
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^Yes, why?
 
Korgnex;3321003 said:
What Birchey was actually confirming is that the so-called tracks were made up by the producers at the studio and the many gaps were filled with ad-libs from previous MJ stuff.

What's so brand-new and interesting about this?
This is all known for several months now. How else have our "detectives" here found out where samples have been cut in.

You'll see that absolutely nothing concerning legal things will happen. The vocals are all MJ and James Porte, no Jason dude anywhere. Everything has been properly credited, registered and researched.

This "conspiracy" that some of you wish so desperately to exist will be forgotten in some years. The Jason dude will be forgotten, too. The whole impersonator issue will be forgotten.
The accusations of people wanting to destroy Michael's legacy with fake tracks will be forgotten...

Birchey is currently on the trails of how the lead vocals have been intensified to be strong enough for release-worthy mixing.
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Not, this is what Birchey said:

Birchey;3320102 said:
a massive Majority of the lead vocals are not Michaels
The breathing and other "aaahs" and stuff were pasted on
The songs were orginally slower in pace
The are NO claps, click or footstamps on ANY Cascio track on the vocal channel (something which to me proves this is definately not Michael behind that mic)
The songs were all recorded on various Mics
The original vocals themselves were NOT recorded badly but properly
There are tons of takes of vocals, there are several takes used on each line
There WERE backing tracks provided with the songs
There are MANY Ghost backing vocals
The only instance of a PVC Pipe being used was on about 4 lines in which they had "Michaels" vocals CLEAN and also recorded through a PVC pipe.
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Birchey;3320448 said:
I am 99% sure its Jason, or a Jason Malachi inpersonator XD
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Birchey;3320451 said:
Thing is too, these songs are absolute rip-offs from MJ previous material, they have been purposely made to sound like an MJ song, desperatly
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Birchey;3320266 said:
For the vocals its clear on the editing how they have had a variety of vocal tracks to choose from, for me this points to a good explanantion, if you were to get someone to copy MJ why have them do one take? They have used the lines which fit Michaels vocals the best, the smoking gun here is the sheer amount of lead vocals and backing vocals they have.
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Maybe he is another who believes in your so call "conspiracy"

Maybe you are wrong and don´t want to read what Birchey said:

It´s Jason Malachi on the Cascio´s songs and there is a conspiracy.

Maybe because you have relationships with Sony... and maybe with Cascios, you can´t said that the voice of those songs it´s not Michael.

PLEASE, DON´T TRY TO CHANGE WHAT BIRCHEY SAID. STOP !!!
 
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^ I did read his OPINION.

Don't take Birchey's opinion as an irrefutable fact, Kapital77.


Apart from that Birchey and I respect each other's opinions. :yes:
 
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Korgnex said:
^ I did read his OPINION.

Don't take Birchey's opinion as an irrefutable fact, Kapital77.


Apart from that Birchey and I respect each other's opinions. :yes:
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In your opinion, stating in percentage to the best of your ability, how many % is 2007 MJ? How many % is James Porte? How many % is other backup vocalists? How many % is rip-off of previous MJ songs? How many % is computerization?
 
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Roosje said:
^Sony would lose more than they could ever gain from this if they did indeed deliberately put false songs on the album. If they lose credibility as a music publisher they are tarnished forever. Not worth the gamble for such a big company.
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Read previous posts about your remark. It's already been discussed.

In brief: milking, milking, milking on a long term without much promotion and legally covered, so no one is worried to be tarnished.
 
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^^ I'm sorry if I said something not so useful (although I still agree with my own statement about company credibility outweighing trying fraud) - I must have missed something, but then again hasn't all been said a thousand times before in this thread? It's not as if this isn't cycle 378 of the same conversation. This new 'evidence' reminds me of previous threads like 'JM's manager has spilled the beans' and the so-called letter from Jason with his admittance. If any of those were true it would have been a court case by now. Same goes for this.
 
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