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Michael - The Great Album Debate

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Thanks, Love! :) I like to think that I'm coping better over people insulting me about MJ, but I completely broke down yesterday during school, these people have made my life miserable for no reason and they have NO guilt about it whatsoever! I wish that they would leave me alone, but they never do. In fact, what they do is just snicker and talk about me behind my back... Then loudly accuse me of things I haven't done, as well as the usual MJ hater sh*t.
 
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Aniram said:
Bumper, I have a question....



If this vocal impersonation is as easy to detect as not noticing the 'dah's' in songs, don't you think this is NOT an impersonator?

You claim that even Ne-Yo does the sounds but this guy impersonating these songs can't do it?!

You would think that if these were fakes there'd be 'dahs' and 'chas' ALL over the frickin' place, because the person is impersonating MJ? Right? Why would they be totally absent if it's a faker? Seems a little too obvious...
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First, I also want to give a shout-out to Bumper for his outstanding post. What a way to describe Michael's music. Bumper is gifted with words. I like the sparkling water analogy.

I know your question is directed to Bumper. I still would like to give my two cents.

As I was talking about Heartbreaker yesterday, I was in Invincible mode. I put Unbreakable/Heartbreaker/Invincible on loop since last night. I guess I fully understand what Bumper said regarding Michael's singing style. The beats (i.e. the "dah's") are interwoven in the singing. They are not layered on top. (I'm not as eloquent as Bumper. I hope he come up with a better way to describe it.) You simply can't copy and paste all these "dah's" to make the song sound Michael-ish. They are the beats Michael created and used when he sang fast. These are part of Michael's energy I feel from the songs. These are the sparks. They came naturally from him.

Ne-Yo is obviously influenced by Michael. However, when he sings, he's not trying to be an impersonator. He has his own voice and is developing his own style. His style is inspired by Michael. So, it's not unusual to hear Michael's style in his song.

I saw Chris Brown last night on Dancing with the Stars. He is another artist deeply influenced by Michael, in terms of dancing. I see so much of Michael in his dance moves. He's not impersonating MJ. He's doing his own dance moves; however, some of the moves and poses are definitely inspired by MJ.

There is a huge difference between impersonating and being inspired.

Back to the Cascio tracks, the copy and pasted "aow's" and "dah's" don't work becasue they don't feel natural and sound forced. One doesn't need a trained ear to notice the blatant copy and paste works.
 
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You seem to have missed my point.

If Jason Malachi was impersonating Michael Jackson why would he leave out the most obvious Michael Jackson trademarks? Is he incredibly stupid, lazy, or a really really bad impersonator?

If he's all of those things why was he chosen to be on these tracks and why did NO ONE tell him during the recording that "Michael does it more like this..."
 
Majority of the trademark sounds don't seem copy and pasted to me. In fact throughout a song like Breaking News you can hear the breaths between the words. Kind of hard to copy and paste a breathing pattern.

BUMPER SNIPPET;3319459 said:
PART I




Michael created a unique way of singing faster songs. It gives impression that it was almost innate and natural, but it isn't. He created his own brand, his own school. An innovative and almost inimitable way of singing, set aside the voice beatbox. I've always preferred Michael's fast songs, that's why my ear is more trained with faster songs than with slower songs. That's also why I am debating "Monster" and "Breaking News" vs all other MJ's songs. "KYHU" should be in another debate section as it is a slower song and needs to be compared to other MJ's slower songs.

So, indeed I showed the "chaaahs" from the 80s, but Michael has never ever gotten rid of it.He kept it in one form or another. Instead of "chaaah" it could be "daaah" or "taaah", but it's still there, even on INVINCIBLE. Listen:

UNBREAKABLE:

EEEeea, yeeah, daah, huh,
Now I'm just wondering daah why you think da
that you can get to me da with anything da
seems like you'd know by now
When and how I get down dah
And with all that I've been through, dah
I'm still around ...

and it continues on and on

[youtube]c1byYt8KrFk[/youtube]

HEARTBREAKER

MmmMm, ah, ha, up, uhh, up, ha...
Deceitful eyes, she's got those come get me thighs
(background: ah, ha, up, uhh, up, ha....)
she only knows how low that she can go
(background: ah, ha, up, uhh, up, ha....)
She speaks the lines that can control my mind
(background: ah, ha, up, uhh, up, ha....)
Wherever she goes I know my eyes follow
(background: ah, ha, up, uhh, up, ha....)
She blew a kiss, I swear that it was meant
(background: ah, ha, up, uhh, up, ha....)
only for me, then spoke with her body
(background: ah, ha, up, uhh, up, ha....)
her only goal is just to take control
(background: ah, ha, up, uhh, up, ha....)
And I can't believe that I can´t tell her no
(background: ah, ha, up, uhh, up, ha....)

etc.

[youtube]Qw3p6u-5Zug[/youtube]

INVINCIBLE

Well, well, uhh! dah! Well, well. Dah! Ung!
If I could tear down these walls that keep you and I apart
I know I could claim your heart and our perfect love will start
But girl you just won’t approve of the things that I do
When all I do is for you but still you say it ain’t cool dah

If there’s somebo(dah!)dy else, he can’t love you like me
And he says he’ll treat(dah!) you well, he can’t treat you like me
And he’s buying diamonds and(dah!) pearls, he can’t do it like me
And he’s taking you all across the(dah!) world, he can’t(da!) trick you like me(ho!)

etc, etc.

[youtube]acE59dXj1to[/youtube]



Listen once more to HT more closely and you'll hear the "DAHs!" and hiccups. I am not going to post all here otherwise my post will be too long. Also, the beatbox on HT was used in the background similarly to "dahs" and "hahs" in the song "HEARTBREAKER".
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My post was in reference to what you had initially said, being that "chaah's" were present in all of his fast songs. I acknowledged the "Dah's" "Hah's" "D'aps" as being apart of Michael's trademark in later songs. Thought you were just referring to the "chaah" sound.


The reason why none of those sounds are present for the majority of Monster, could be, like others have claimed before, that it was initially a slower paced type of song.
 
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a massive Majority of the lead vocals are not Michaels
The breathing and other "aaahs" and stuff were pasted on
The songs were orginally slower in pace
The are NO claps, click or footstamps on ANY Cascio track on the vocal channel (something which to me proves this is definately not Michael behind that mic)
The songs were all recorded on various Mics
The original vocals themselves were NOT recorded badly but properly
There are tons of takes of vocals, there are several takes used on each line
There WERE backing tracks provided with the songs
There are MANY Ghost backing vocals
The only instance of a PVC Pipe being used was on about 4 lines in which they had "Michaels" vocals CLEAN and also recorded through a PVC pipe.
 
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Aniram said:
You seem to have missed my point.

If Jason Malachi was impersonating Michael Jackson why would he leave out the most obvious Michael Jackson trademarks? Is he incredibly stupid, lazy, or a really really bad impersonator?

If he's all of those things why was he chosen to be on these tracks and why did NO ONE tell him during the recording that "Michael does it more like this..."
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Let's take a step back and think about how great a vocalist Michael Jackson was.

A child prodigy who started singing since he could talk, performed on stage since he's 5 year-old, grew up in the school of Motown, learned from the greatest, like Stevie Wonder and spent hours and hours in his life doing vocal training.

The way he approahed each song was unique. When you listen to Invincible, pay attention to this line in the bridge "Then, I'll be showing you what other men are sup--posed-to--do--for--you--my baby." The way he phrased the sentence and kept the beats was so his own. I don't think that singing style can be easily copied. It's more than the "dah's" and the "aow's", it's the whole energy and sparks Michael brought to each song.

My point is no matter how hard a person tries to imitate Michael. He's not Michael Jackson. The singing technique and style owned by the genius of Michael Jackson can not be developed overnight. That's why they failed in recreating the magic in the Cascio tracks.
 
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love is magical said:
Let's take a step back and think about how great a vocalist Michael Jackson was.
A child prodigy who started singing since he could talk, performed on stage since he's 5 year-old, grew up in the school of Motown, learned from the greatest, like Stevie Wonder and spent hours and hours in his life doing vocal training.

The way he approahed each song was unique. When you listen to Invincible, pay attention to this line in the bridge "Then, I'll be showing you what other men are sup--posed-to--do--for--you--my baby." The way he phrased the sentence and kept the beats was so his own. I don't think that singing style can be easily copied. It's more than the "dah's" and the "aow's", it's the whole energy and sparks Michael brought to each song.

My point is no matter how hard a person tries to imitate Michael. He's not Michael Jackson. The singing technique and style owned by the genius of Michael Jackson can not be developed overnight. That's why they failed in recreating the magic in the Cascio tracks.
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Thank you for this post. It upsets me when some say "Michael was human thus sang bad at times, was off, out of tune" etc. I find that insulting to say the least
 
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love is magical said:
First, I also want to give a shout-out to Bumper for his outstanding post. What a way to describe Michael's music. Bumper is gifted with words. I like the sparkling water analogy.

I know your question is directed to Bumper. I still would like to give my two cents.

As I was talking about Heartbreaker yesterday, I was in Invincible mode. I put Unbreakable/Heartbreaker/Invincible on loop since last night. I guess I fully understand what Bumper said regarding Michael's singing style. The beats (i.e. the "dah's") are interwoven in the singing. They are not layered on top. (I'm not as eloquent as Bumper. I hope he come up with a better way to describe it.) You simply can't copy and paste all these "dah's" to make the song sound Michael-ish. They are the beats Michael created and used when he sang fast. These are part of Michael's energy I feel from the songs. These are the sparks. They came naturally from him.

Ne-Yo is obviously influenced by Michael. However, when he sings, he's not trying to be an impersonator. He has his own voice and is developing his own style. His style is inspired by Michael. So, it's not unusual to hear Michael's style in his song.

I saw Chris Brown last night on Dancing with the Stars. He is another artist deeply influenced by Michael, in terms of dancing. I see so much of Michael in his dance moves. He's not impersonating MJ. He's doing his own dance moves; however, some of the moves and poses are definitely inspired by MJ.

There is a huge difference between impersonating and being inspired.

Back to the Cascio tracks, the copy and pasted "aow's" and "dah's" don't work becasue they don't feel natural and sound forced. One doesn't need a trained ear to notice the blatant copy and paste works.
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You perfectly well understood what I was referring to. The difference between being inspired and imitating.


Aniram said:
You seem to have missed my point.

If Jason Malachi was impersonating Michael Jackson why would he leave out the most obvious Michael Jackson trademarks? Is he incredibly stupid, lazy, or a really really bad impersonator?

If he's all of those things why was he chosen to be on these tracks and why did NO ONE tell him during the recording that "Michael does it more like this..."
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I don't know if you had read my post entirely, because I already answered that question in my post. I said, I believe that the impostor was so focused to imitate Michael's voice that he seemed unable to do two things at the same time --i.e. imitating the voice and the "daahs" at the same time. Even some sentences, as I pointed out were sung with such difficulty.

When Michael does it, it flows naturally. When you imitate Michael doing it, it doesn't sound natural any more. So they copy pasted here and there some "dahs" to make it sound more Michaelish. You don't find it rather strange that while the ear is awaiting at least one little "dah" after at least one line in the song "Monster" there isn't any at all in any on the three first verses that I posted? The same way when you drink sparkling water, your throat is expecting to be bitten by the bubbles, but there's none.


AnnieRUOkay89 said:
Majority of the trademark sounds don't seem copy and pasted to me. In fact throughout a song like Breaking News you can hear the breaths between the words. Kind of hard to copy and paste a breathing pattern.
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You are right, the "dahs" are present in Breaking News. That's why I was open to believe that the song might have been sung by MJ. However, listen carefully to Breaking News again: you'll hear more than two voices. The voices are superposed.

If you eliminate James's voice. You'll still hear superposed voices of lead vocals. I believe that some parts come from some MJ's demos, but there is a big part not sung by MJ at all, as the voice is quite different. To my ears it sounds obvious that there is a voice that does not belong to MJ at all, and I am not talking about James's voice (I am talking about for example that line that I put in bold in my previous post).

The "dahs" that are present in BN could have been copy-pasted by Teddy Riley as a regular rhythm similar to the drums effect. Why didn't he do it with "Monster"? It's a mystery. I'd like to know too.


AnnieRUOkay89 said:
My post was in reference to what you had initially said, being that "chaah's" were present in all of his fast songs. I acknowledged the "Dah's" "Hah's" "D'aps" as being apart of Michael's trademark in later songs. Thought you were just referring to the "chaah" sound.
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Chaah or daah, are same things. My point was that in MJ's faster songs it's never without those little breaths.


AnnieRUOkay89 said:
The reason why none of those sounds are present for the majority of Monster, could be, like others have claimed before, that it was initially a slower paced type of song.
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Not likely.
First why would they speed up a ballad if it was meant to be a ballad?

Second, as I pointed it out, the song INVINCIBLE is even slower than "MONSTER", yet it's full of "daahs".

Remember, initially, as I explained it in my post, it was not only that that increased my doubts on the authenticity of the song, but also the voice itself.
 
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Birchey said:
a massive Majority of the lead vocals are not Michaels
The breathing and other "aaahs" and stuff were pasted on
The songs were orginally slower in pace
The are NO claps, click or footstamps on ANY Cascio track on the vocal channel (something which to me proves this is definately not Michael behind that mic)
The songs were all recorded on various Mics
The original vocals themselves were NOT recorded badly but properly
There are tons of takes of vocals, there are several takes used on each line
There WERE backing tracks provided with the songs
There are MANY Ghost backing vocals
The only instance of a PVC Pipe being used was on about 4 lines in which they had "Michaels" vocals CLEAN and also recorded through a PVC pipe.
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Great asnwer. :clapping:
 
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Here is another example of "dahs" inspired by Michael. And if I had to choose between Ne-Yo's "Monster" and the Cascio's "Monster", I'd have to be forced to admit that Ne-Yo's "Monster" sounds more Michael-style than the Cascio's "Monster"

All my life (uh) and the hereafter
I've never seen (uh), (dah!) seen one like you (omw)

You're a knife (uh), (dah) sharp and deadly
(dah) And it's me (ah) that you cut into
But I don't mind (uh), in fact, I like it
Though I'm terrified (hh), I'm turned on but scared of you (ow)

She's a monster, beautiful monster
Beautiful monster but I don't mind
And I need her, said I need her
Beautiful monster but I don't mind

No, I don't mind
(I don't mind, I don't, I don't mind)*
No, I don't mind
(I don't mind, I don't, I don't mind)*


*Listen to this repeated "I don't mind" how soulfully it is sung! This is Michael's print without being copied. Simply inspired. Compare it to MJ's Smooth Criminal when MJ repeatedly sings towards the end of the song in a higher key "I don't know"

[youtube]2J2dwFVZHsY[/youtube]


Listen to the "dahs" and "chahs" and towards the end "I don't know".

[youtube]U1i0mqG-xrU[/youtube]


The Cascio's "Monster" = X! Unknown, alien compared to MJ's style!
 
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Birchey said:
a massive Majority of the lead vocals are not Michaels
The breathing and other "aaahs" and stuff were pasted on
The songs were orginally slower in pace
The are NO claps, click or footstamps on ANY Cascio track on the vocal channel (something which to me proves this is definately not Michael behind that mic)
The songs were all recorded on various Mics
The original vocals themselves were NOT recorded badly but properly
There are tons of takes of vocals, there are several takes used on each line
There WERE backing tracks provided with the songs
There are MANY Ghost backing vocals
The only instance of a PVC Pipe being used was on about 4 lines in which they had "Michaels" vocals CLEAN and also recorded through a PVC pipe.
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Birchey, could you tell us how you can tell the songs were recorded on various mics?

Many people are saying the difference in the Cascio tracks are due to bad recording. You said they are recorded properly. Why?

I'm not challenging you. I just want to learn more. Thanks.

BTW, how's it going with your HT remix?
 
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love is magical said:
Birchey, could you tell us how you can tell the songs were recorded on various mics?

Many people are saying the difference in the Cascio tracks are due to bad recording. You said they are recorded properly. Why?

I'm not challenging you. I just want to learn more. Thanks.

BTW, how's it going with your HT remix?
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You don't want to know how I know :(

I cant and wont release any specific information but I have heard all 12 Cascio songs (Raw demos) and also seen pictures of the tracks being edited.

Certain people here can vouch for me, but a leak of certain material cant happen, at least not from me, but I feel fans need certain information, I know the songs, all of them are copy and paste cuts from at least 10 vocals each, and from viewing the waveforms of each vocal track used, there is nothing wrong with the recordings, and also no clips, claps and so on like Michael would do, the breathing and grunts have been pasted in between vocals, I just wanted to add my 2 cents.

I wont upload or leak anything as its not my place to do so, and personally I dont like this whole cascio situation, whatever the outcome us fans find it wont ever change the minds of those at Sony, we cant do anything now.
 
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edit: nvm
 
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Out of complete curiosity, how do you manage to find this stuff, Birchey? the raw demos are one thing, but also pictures of the songs being edited! Do you have friends in high places, or are you a trader? As for your analysis, I find it weird that there would be no breathing at all in the raw demos, surely even an impersonator would have to breathe between verses?
 
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Birchey said:
You don't want to know how I know :(

I cant and wont release any specific information but I have heard all 12 Cascio songs (Raw demos) and also seen pictures of the tracks being edited.

Certain people here can vouch for me, but a leak of certain material cant happen, at least not from me, but I feel fans need certain information, I know the songs, all of them are copy and paste cuts from at least 10 vocals each, and from viewing the waveforms of each vocal track used, there is nothing wrong with the recordings, and also no clips, claps and so on like Michael would do, the breathing and grunts have been pasted in between vocals, I just wanted to add my 2 cents.

I wont upload or leak anything as its not my place to do so, and personally I dont like this whole cascio situation, whatever the outcome us fans find it wont ever change the minds of those at Sony, we cant do anything now.
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Thanks, you confirmed what my ears heard by seeing the waveforms.

Even in Ne-Yo songs you hear more MJ influence in the vocals than in the Cascio songs.
 
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How different are the raw tracks to the versions we hear on the leaked/released songs? Also I don't get why they would need to cut and paste 10 tracks together for each song if they have an impersonator doing it....surely they can keep going for perfect takes as opposed to slicing through different vocal recordings? I'm probably missing the point, just confused ! :D
 
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Birchey said:
You don't want to know how I know :(

I cant and wont release any specific information but I have heard all 12 Cascio songs (Raw demos) and also seen pictures of the tracks being edited.

Certain people here can vouch for me, but a leak of certain material cant happen, at least not from me, but I feel fans need certain information, I know the songs, all of them are copy and paste cuts from at least 10 vocals each, and from viewing the waveforms of each vocal track used, there is nothing wrong with the recordings, and also no clips, claps and so on like Michael would do, the breathing and grunts have been pasted in between vocals, I just wanted to add my 2 cents.

I wont upload or leak anything as its not my place to do so, and personally I dont like this whole cascio situation, whatever the outcome us fans find it wont ever change the minds of those at Sony, we cant do anything now.
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Thank you. I appreciate your response. What you just said is enough to confirm what I thought truly happened.

The bolded part is why I feel so frustrated and helpless.
 
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Jesta said:
Out of complete curiosity, how do you manage to find this stuff, Birchey? the raw demos are one thing, but also pictures of the songs being edited! Do you have friends in high places, or are you a trader? As for your analysis, I find it weird that there would be no breathing at all in the raw demos, surely even an impersonator would have to breathe between verses?
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I do trad eyes, but this was different, there was a problem somewhere but its taken care of now, I cant talk about it but the right people know about the problem now.

there is breathing on them, but a majority has been pasted on, there are tracks named "MJGrunts_2" and so on, infact one song has a complete MJ beatbox intro made from 7 tracks of looped, copied and pasted MJ vocal tics.
 
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Deniro UK said:
Also I don't get why they would need to cut and paste 10 tracks together for each song if they have an impersonator doing it....surely they can keep going for perfect takes as opposed to slicing through different vocal recordings?
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and that would be my question as well.
 
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Deniro UK said:
How different are the raw tracks to the versions we hear on the leaked/released songs? Also I don't get why they would need to cut and paste 10 tracks together for each song if they have an impersonator doing it....surely they can keep going for perfect takes as opposed to slicing through different vocal recordings? I'm probably missing the point, just confused ! :D
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For the vocals its clear on the editing how they have had a variety of vocal tracks to choose from, for me this points to a good explanantion, if you were to get someone to copy MJ why have them do one take? They have used the lines which fit Michaels vocals the best, the smoking gun here is the sheer amount of lead vocals and backing vocals they have.
 
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OK, thanks for answering. That's pretty creepy that they artificially created a beatbox from MJ's ad-libs. Here's the thing that just really bothers me, if the breathing is copy-and-pasted on, then why is there not breathing on the completely raw tracks? Did they edit those out?

Either way, your revelation just makes me want the truth now. Screw alignments, the truth has to be the ultimate goal.
 
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Jesta said:
OK, thanks for answering. That's pretty creepy that they artificially created a beatbox from MJ's ad-libs. Here's the thing that just really bothers me, if the breathing is copy-and-pasted on, then why is there not breathing on the completely raw tracks? Did they edit those out?

Either way, your revelation just makes me want the truth now. Screw alignments, the truth has to be the ultimate goal.
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I mentioned before there is breathing, but there is more which appear to have been put on top, not nescessarily breathing coming into a line, but more to do with little vocal ticks. The whole songs are a joke, I can tell you one song used 9 vocal tracks to complete ONE lead vocal, which tbh isn;t a big deal in a real studio situation but when we are told the vocals are one take its weird
 
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Birchey said:
For the vocals its clear on the editing how they have had a variety of vocal tracks to choose from, for me this points to a good explanantion, if you were to get someone to copy MJ why have them do one take? They have used the lines which fit Michaels vocals the best, the smoking gun here is the sheer amount of lead vocals and backing vocals they have.
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Basically, the vocalists did perform many takes. The producers selected parts of each take that resemble Michael the most and pasted all these parts together.
 
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love is magical said:
basically, the vocalists did perform many takes. The producers selected parts of each take that resemble michael the most and pasted all these parts together.
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bingo!!! :) Also the Raw vocals from track to track are distinctly different volumes, some are even slightly clipped.
 
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Wow, that's f*cked up...not that it's surprising...from the way they sound....
 
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Birchey said:
For the vocals its clear on the editing how they have had a variety of vocal tracks to choose from, for me this points to a good explanantion, if you were to get someone to copy MJ why have them do one take? They have used the lines which fit Michaels vocals the best, the smoking gun here is the sheer amount of lead vocals and backing vocals they have.
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Very interesting information you have, thank you! :D

I personally have mostly been of the opinion that it is MJ on these songs, I don't really hear Jason on the songs, the vibrato can be occasionally heard on MJ's songs (Be Not Always struck me when I listened to it earlier http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP15Q5CHfVU) but it's all very confusing and conflicting with information we have. Hopefully one day more information and evidence can come out supporting either view so we get a clearer image of what has happened here. The arguing needs to stop though, it won't do any good and will just continue to split the community, I can understand how people will believe it isn't him, just as I hope people who think it's Malachi or whoever can understand why people like me could believe it is Michael :)

At the end of the day, real, concrete, factual and explicit information/evidence is needed to confirm either view so hopefully one day that time will come :)
 
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Birchey said:
I can tell you one song used 9 vocal tracks to complete ONE lead vocal, which tbh isn;t a big deal in a real studio situation but when we are told the vocals are one take its weird
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who are you listening to in this case? Because we had conflicting information. Taryll said they had one take / one track. Teddy said they had a few vocal tracks and that some that he was given was already combined.
 
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