Michael - The Great Album Debate

[love is magical]

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WBSS 08' was recorded in the same year. The levels of maturity between the that and the cascio tracks is WAY OFF. Can you not hear that?

How does,
"You Love To Pretend That You're Good
When You're Always Up To No Good
You Really Can't Make Him Hate Her
So Your Tongue Became A Razor" from WBSS 08'

sound ANYTHING like the voice of "You keep on breaking the news!" or Monster?

???????????

I'm glad you brought this up. This verse is recorded in 2007. I can hear the soulfulness in Michael's voice. It has the aged wine feel to it. Gone is the youthful energy, but the voice is definitely silkier and more soothing.

Also, pay attention to the background vocals of WBSS 2008. Michael's voice is processed. It seems they add more echos to Michael's vocals. But still, it's undoubtfully Michael's. Michael's voice is that distinctive.

 

[ivy]

"Frank Cascio’s brother, Eddie, is the author and producer of several
tracks on Michael’s new album, called “Michael.”

But it was Frank who originally worked on
that music with another singer."

http://www.showbiz411.com/2011/01/25/exclusive-michael-jackson-closest-friend-signs-book-deal

WTF :S

THAT'S interesting.

So Frank was creating the songs for another singer?

I think that Frank would've possibly served as producer or music composer for the songs, if they were originally intended for another person. Plus, the person could be James Porte, as it has been said by some other places that James was originally going to be the singer on some of the songs.

Jesta is right. It was James Porte. Look for later articles from Roger Friedman in which he mentions Michael coming to NJ to stay with Cascio's, during his stay he heard Eddie and Frank working with Bobby Ewing (stage name of James Porte) and at that time they decided to scrap the work with Porte and re-record everything with MJ. That's why you also have Porte vocals and the lyrics being Cascio, Porte and MJ (MJ edited them)

It seems they add more echos to Michael's vocals.

more echo : shower vocal booth ?

 

[Minimj]

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But it's not 100% that Michael recorded WBSS. We need to get away from that song as it was recorded in 1981.

The only song we can go by is 'Hold My Hand'

 

[Kapital77]

Read this:

Michael Jackson New Album: “Before End of Year”

09/27/10 12:08pm
Roger Friedman
29

An album of new Michael Jackson recordings–songs left behind and remixed since his death–is on its way.

The question, though, is when?

A Sony source confirmed for me that the album will arrive before Christmas. So far, the date can’t be set because the work isn’t finished.

In the end, four of what might be 12 tracks will be derived from sessions Michael did with Eddie Cascio in his suburban New Jersey studio three years ago. At least one of those tracks was originally co written and produced by Eddie’s brother Frank Cascio for an R&B singer named Bobby Ewing.

Some of the other tracks will be outtakes from Jackson albums, a Paul Anka song called “Love Never Felt So Good” from the session that produced the title track for “This Is It.”

Jackson co-executor John McClain is in charge of the project. Sources say that McClain’s been relying heavily on Michael’s brother, Jackie, for help since he’s not, technically, a music producer. Rodney Jerkins and Akon are also working on tracks. It’s unclear whether so many producers can affect a consistent sound.

Last week, Sony chief Rob Stringer went out to Los Angeles, I am told, to supervise and give comments on the progress of the album. After all it’s part of his $200 million deal with the Jackson estate. Sony wants the album to be a huge smash.

The Jackson estate, by the way, is working on several more projects including a documentary or reality show about the putting together of the new live Cirque du Soleil project.

Categories: Music

Michael Jackson Album of New Songs In Limbo

10/19/10 12:42am
Roger Friedman
50

That album of Michael Jackson‘s unreleased material?

I’ll tell you what: it’s in limbo.

Later this week we may get a sharper picture of what’s going on. But this much I’ve surmised from talks with various sources.

The best material available really comes from those sessions with Eddie Cascio in New Jersey circa summer 2007. Some of the songs were already written by Eddie’s brother Frank Cascio and recorded as demos with a local singer named Bobby Ewing. Michael put his vocals on them during that time he stayed with the Cascios in New Jersey.

At first there was a lot of skepticism about the tracks. I’m told that co-executor John McClain questioned whether the vocals were really Michael’s, or faked. But they are Michael’s. And they will be needed to round out the selections.

Teddy Riley and a couple of other producers have worked to fix up the Cascio tracks for release.

Michael Jackson Producer Teddy Riley Blames Singer’s Co-Executor for Bad Press

11/09/10 11:10am
Roger Friedman
20

http://tinyurl.com/35j6oxs

Michael Jackson producer Teddy Riley called in to an Atlanta radio station last night and told as much as he could about the making of “Breaking News” and other new Jackson tracks.

Among other things, Riley says Jackson estate co-executor John McClain “challenged” him on the recordings for the new album. “Now all of a sudden it’s not Michael’s voice because his [McClain's] songs didn’t make it.” Riley says McClain wanted him on the project just so his own name–McClain’s–would be associated with Riley’s. Yikes.

 

[Kapital77]

But it's not 100% that Michael recorded WBSS. We need to get away from that song as it was recorded in 1981.

The only song we can go by is 'Hold My Hand'

Not not, Michael recorded some parts of WBSS 2008 in the Cascio´s studio.

 

[love is magical]

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more echo : shower vocal booth ?

The funny thing is Michael's voice is still recognizable with the shower vocal booth effect. :cheeky:

But it's not 100% that Michael recorded WBSS. We need to get away from that song as it was recorded in 1981.

The only song we can go by is 'Hold My Hand'

The background vocal and that one verse are recorded in 2007, unless Michael knew in 1982 that Akon will do the 2008 remix and add lyrics such as "We ended up going to her place. I wish I can tell you what I saw. Sexiest woman in her negligee...." I can hear Michael singing background to those additional lyrics.

 

[Minimj]

Not not, Michael recorded some parts of WBSS 2008 in the Cascio´s studio.

But where? Far as we know of, Michael may have mixed the song at the Cascio's where is the proof, the vocals are 08? and not demo...

Edit: Just saw the post above. Cheers!

 

[Pentum]

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Are you doubting that WBSS 08 has new vocals?

 

[Birchey]

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Yes, that music were prerecorded with... James porte.

Like Roger Friedman said.

Michael never wrote those tracks.

Its very very strange because the song are made to sound like MJ wrote them. I mean look at the lyrics so MJ "cliche"

The vocals are well over the top MJ style
The tracks are written in classic Mj style
MJ would not have recorded such lengthy and indepth vocals on a demo, especially considering Michael used to go through 10s of Microphones to find which one sounded best for which track. Everything is out of MJ character

 

[Minimj]

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Are you doubting that WBSS 08 has new vocals?

I never thought it had any new ones in the first place. It's been going around if they were or not, even on Max Jax, they still wasn't 100% sure.

 

[MJRemixed]

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The funny thing is Michael's voice is still recognizable with the shower vocal booth effect. :cheeky:



The background vocal and that one verse are recorded in 2007, unless Michael knew in 1982 that Akon will do the 2008 remix and add lyrics such as "We ended up going to her place. I wish I can tell you what I saw. Sexiest woman in her negligee...." I can hear Michael singing background to those additional lyrics.

Yes. And all the "yeah, ahh, yeah ,ahhh" throughout the song are all Michael from '08. You can hear the roughness in his voice. I actaully think he struggled abit on that track and you can hear it. You can't hear that 'struggle' on the cascio tracks. Its just a completely different person.

 

[Kapital77]

Minimj, you are so wrong, check your sources before tell me that i am wrong.

Michael recorded new vocals for WBSS 2008:

1:19 to 1:33:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd2qGORs8io

And they were recorded with the Cascio´s:

Original song written by Michael Jackson
Original song published by Mijac Music (BMI)
Original redording produced by Quincy Jones/Co produced by Michael Jackson
Remix recorded 11/07
Remix written by Aliaune Thiam, Giorgio Tuinfort, Michael Jackson
Remix publishing Byefall Music/Famous Music Publishing/Piano Music (ASCAP)/Mijac Music (BMI)
Remix Instrumentation and additional programming : Akon and Giorgio Tuinfort
Remix recorded by Mark "Exit" Goodchild for Milk Money Consulting, Konkast Studios, Canada & Paris, France
Remix mixed by Mark "Exit" Goodchild for Milk Money Consulting, Wisseloord
Studios, Amsterdam & Maze Studios, Atlanta
GA; and Dylan "3-D" Dresdow at Paper V.U.
Studios & Ethanet Studios
Remix produced by Aliaune "Akon" Thiam for Upfront/Konvict & Michael Jackson
Remix co-produced by Giorgio Tuinfort for Piano Music/Konvict
Background vocals recorded by Angelikson Productions

It´s clear that it´s not the same voice. The voice it´s so much older.

 

[Pentum]

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I just got a copyright claim on Soundcloud. I posted a link here about three hours ago. I don't care what anyone says anymore, I believe someone here is really claiming copyrights or/and reporting it.

 

[ivy]

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Its very very strange because the song are made to sound like MJ wrote them. I mean look at the lyrics so MJ "cliche"

The vocals are well over the top MJ style
The tracks are written in classic Mj style

vocals credit lists Cascio , Porte and MJ. Simply Cascio and Porte could have written songs and Michael later on came and edited the lyrics fitting his style.

or other scenario was that he always was aware of the songs and he did collaborate to write them to begin with.

Look to information about Bobby Ewing ( James Porte) his demo single (Exotic Dancer) was released in 2006 , Frank Dileo was managing him at the time and Frank Cascio (Tyson) was the producer of his upcoming album. Perhaps Michael was a secret collaborator at Bobby Ewing / Cascio project all along and then (later when he returned to US) decided to use /record the songs himself. (Remember he had also years ago allowed Eddie the opportunity to work with Sony/ATV artists. So Michael could have been involved / supportive of Cascio's musical activities).

 

[Minimj]

Minimj, you are so wrong, check your sources before tell me that i am wrong.

Michael recorded new vocals for WBSS 2008:

1:19 to 1:33:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd2qGORs8io

And they were recorded with the Cascio´s:



It´s clear that it´s not the same voice. The voice it´s so much older.

Wooooooooo

Hold your horses, I didn't say you were wrong. I simply said, were not 100% sure.

 

[MJRemixed]

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Theres no way the vox on WBSS'08 are from anywhere else other than Michael in '08. They aren't from the original demo(s) version. Listen to the demo of WBSS (1981) - the voice is totally different to that of '08. Its clearly 20 years younger.

Pentum i've said it before. It's either Cascio, JM or some of his little troopers who is trying to hide the truth. Or an overly-excited fan from this board

Someone does not want you to post comparison video's on the net because you are revealing the truth!

 

[Kapital77]

Roger Friedman was a main character in this fraud.

He promoted the Cascio´s tracks and look what he said:

I know these songs. I heard them in a pre-Michael version in 2006. They were recorded with his vocals in 2007. Recently, producers have polished them up. They are said to be “amazing.”

Did he heard them in 2006?.

He also attacked McClain, 3T, Jackson Family, etc..

And also lied saying that the tracks had great vocals from MJ:

"According to one source who’s heard the material, Michael’s vocals are “perfect.”"

"What everyone who’s heard the tracks agrees on is that Michael Jackson’s vocals sound great. At the time, Jackson was getting good sleep, and lots of Italian homecooking from the Cascios, who are restaurant owners."

He attacked McClain:

"McClain is not considered a Clive Davis, really, in the business. But he helped Janet Jackson, whom he grew up with, start her career at A&M Records. And he briefly co-managed Michael in the early Nineties with Trudy Green. McClain, unlike Jackson intimates Frank DiLeo and John Branca, has so far not heard the Cascio tapes, I am told.

“He’s resisting it,” says a source, while he’s busy sorting through those 60 tracks."

"But McClain is another issue. It was under his aegis that the unearthed song, “This Is It,” was produced and released as part of the movie and soundtrack of the same name. But the song wasn’t a hit. One listen to Paul Anka‘s version of it, live, and you see what could have been. Anka has another unreleased track in the Jackson archives."

"Jackson co-executor John McClain is in charge of the project. Sources say that McClain’s been relying heavily on Michael’s brother, Jackie, for help since he’s not, technically, a music producer."

"McClain was also working on tracks. It’s unclear how these have gone. I’m told, not so well. Many of them are outtakes from “Invincible,” an album that wasn’t so good in the first place. And no one’s bothered to approach Michael’s engineer, Bruce Swedien, about tracks from “Thriller” or “Bad” he might have in his archives."

"The biggest issues have come because of what’s known as the “Cascio” tracks. Five of them are so good that they’ve been slated for inclusion. But there’s the rub. According to sources, co-executor John McClain has poisoned the water with Katherine Jackson regarding the Cascio family. On Monday, Mrs. Jackson apparently insisted that no tracks from the Cascio sessions be included.


In the end, it may not matter what the Ts, Michael’s children, or his mother, or John McClain thinks. Sony made a deal with the estate earlier this year that could be worth $200 million. They’re so keen on the Cascio tracks they even hired forensic audiologists to make sure the vocals are Michael’s and not those of an imitator. The Jackson family will likely have to accept those findings and let the estate and Sony proceed with the album."

"Riley says Jackson estate co-executor John McClain “challenged” him on the recordings for the new album. “Now all of a sudden it’s not Michael’s voice because his [McClain's] songs didn’t make it.” Riley says McClain wanted him on the project just so his own name–McClain’s–would be associated with Riley’s. Yikes."

Fucking Friedman, he supported the Cascio´s from the start till the end.

 

[MJRemixed]

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He's probably got a crush on Eddie :lol:

 

[ivy]

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He heard them?.

Probably he did. Like I said Bobby Ewing was promoting his upcoming album in 2006 and he had a Myspace page. It wasn't a secret.

Here's Jul 2006 news release / bio / info (whatever you call it) for Bobby Ewing.


It's a fresh new start for music manager and mogul, Frank Dileo, who has re-entered the music scene with new projects. The first of such projects is new recording artist, BOBBY EWING. The Liberian-born singer/songwriter/producer currently resides in New York City but was raised in Liberia and Tennessee. The singer makes his radio debut this week with a new take on The PussyCat Dolls' "Buttons" track. His version of the song is called "Exotic Dancer". The song is released solely as a promotional record for the artist but will be remixed with new music for an upcoming album.
- The popular website, Myspace.com, has been raving about "Exotic Dancer" for a few weeks now and in its first week of release, "Exotic Dancer" has been burning up the dance floors and radio around the US and Canada.
- Frank Dileo is remembered as the former manager for Michael Jackson from 1984 to 1989. Prior to that he was a record executive at Sony Music then called CBS Records.
- THE SLIDESHOW is currently the working title of Bobby Ewing's upcoming album which will be produced by Bobby Ewing & Frank Tyson..

 

[Kapital77]

Yes, i have to believe that he heard every music in the world. Sorry, but not.

I have to believe that he wait so much moths to say that he already heard them in 2006.

When he started to talk about the tracks and he did not say that he heard the tracks on that year. He never said that.

Please, it´s clear that Roger was working for Cascios & Branca to promote the tracks to Sony, to fool Sony, to put Sony against McClain and the Jackson Family.

And he only said lies, lies and more lies.

And YOU know it.

 

[kopwatcher]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Interesting that Friedman says he heard pre-Michael demos.

 

[Minimj]

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It seems everyone is accusing anyone to be part of the scam..

Branca may just simply think they are Michael, after the tests were done but for McCain they were not good enough. (Like us fans) I doubt Branca would be part of it as it cost the Estate money which Branca and McCain manage.

We don't know who is part of this scam, even if there is one. The only people who we should point fingers to, is the Cascio's and Jason and no one else.

We know from the past that Roger isn't a reliable source, he may not have even heard them.

 

[ivy]

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Yes, i have to believe that he heard every music in the world. Sorry, but not.

I have to believe that he wait so much moths to say that he already heard them in 2006.

And YOU know it.

Every music? He never made such claims, neither anyone here.

I heard Bobby Ewing and Exotic Dancer around that time. They are right it was being played in US (at least at a bar that I went). That song was good but yet odd as it was a remake of Pussycat dolls song. It had peaked my interest. I had found the artists name intriguing as well (Bobby Ewing is the name of a character from Dallas - but I guess you need to be relatively older to know Dallas, J.R. , Bobby, Sue Ellen etc)

So even I heard about Bobby Ewing before, I'll classify it's possible for Friedman to hear them as it was done by people related to MJ (Dileo / Cascio's). They were probably sending Bobby Ewing demos around (record executives, radio DJ's etc) to get a record deal / airtime / radio play. That's how this business works.

ps: I worked in music industry. The norm (that I have seen) is to send / handout 4 song demo CD. I have hundreds of such demos in my home from my native country amateur musicians. Even the band that I worked with has such CD + info package that we send out / hand out in international locations (other countries) to record executives, DJ's, concert organizers.

 

[Kapital77]

Yes, there are so much interesting things in what Friedman said during the promotion of those tracks from Cascios.

Here are some of their coments during those months:

"But things could get sticky between the Jackson estate and Cascio. I am told that Cascio has engaged a top music entertainment lawyer in Los Angeles, Don Passman. And sources do say that Cascio is “covered,” whatever that means. There’s no word on whether Jackson–who used to put his “M” signature on anything in front of him–signed a piece of paper with Cascio.

There will be some tough questioning by the estate over who wrote the songs Cascio recorded, and whether Michael was their author or co-author. I’m told that may be “covered” as well by copyright registrations.

Indeed, two days after Jackson died–on June 27, 2009–Cascio filed a copyright claim along with Michael Jackson and another songwriter for something called “MJ Songbook.” The filing is just for lyrics. An earlier filing. from March 2008, is labeled “JPEC Collection.” The song titles in each collection are not specified in the Library of Congress’s database, but it’s possible that Cascio updated his 2008 filing after Jackson died to reflect the superstar’s contribution to material Cascio had already written–and wisely registered."

"That album of Michael Jackson‘s unreleased material?

I’ll tell you what: it’s in limbo.

Later this week we may get a sharper picture of what’s going on. But this much I’ve surmised from talks with various sources.

The best material available really comes from those sessions with Eddie Cascio in New Jersey circa summer 2007"

"Fans are complaining about “Breaking News” on the Jackson website because it doesn’t sound right to them. Folks, it really is Michael singing on that song. The finished version on the album may sound more like him. Part of the problem may have been in the uploading to the website.

“Breaking News” only streams through Sunday. On Monday, the first actual single is released–with Akon–called “Hold My Hand.”

I’ve heard a lot of the tracks, and I can tell you–they are by Michael. Michael’s nephew, Taryll Jackson, knows that, too. Despite his campaign to discredit the album, Taryll was around when the tracks were being put together. More will come out about this soon.

Conspiracy theories are fun, but buying into them is just going to cheat true Michael Jackson fans out of a great experience. “Michael” is shaping up to be a very solid project."

Anyway, the production by Teddy Riley, is terrific, giving Michael a modern sound and horns. And, yes, that’s him singing. There is only one Michael Jackson.

There is no question that these are Michael’s vocals. It’s kind of universally karmic that Michael did them when he did them.

Michael Jackson: “Secret” Work Tapes Will Prove It’s His Voice on Tracks (“Hold My Hand” Now Available)

11/14/10 11:37pm
Roger Friedman
38

As Michael Jackson‘s new single, “Hold My Hand,” goes “live” tonight (www.michaeljackson.com) , I can tell you a bit more about his new album.

There had been some concern that no outtakes existed of the tracks Jackson recorded with Eddie Cascio. Michael’s nephews have gone into overdrive trying to discredit the tracks. They’ve claimed it’s not their uncle’s voice on the recordings.

But now sources tell me that there were “work tapes” made during the Cascio sessions. These aren’t outtakes of the songs, but tapes running in the studio while Michael discussed what was going on with Eddie Cascio and other members of the Cascio family. Jackson’s own kids even make cameo appearances on the tapes. At some point, the work tapes will be released, although it’s unclear by whom. The main thing is, there’s plenty of evidence of Michael Jackson working with Eddie Cascio.

Still, it’s nice to know that the tapes prove once and for all what was going on in the Cascios’ home studio in the summer of 2007. It’s truly, without a doubt, Michael Jackson on the recordings.

There are three Cascio tracks on the new album. “Breaking News,” of course, has already been heard. Last Friday, “Keep Your Head Up” was leaked to the internet. Some people heard it, but Sony’s legal team moved quickly to have it removed. It’s a great record. The third Cascio track, “Monster,” with 50 Cent, remains a mystery, although I’ve heard good things about it.

Michael Jackson: There Is Concrete Proof He Sang the New Songs

11/10/10 1:47am
Roger Friedman
47

The fans are worried that Michael Jackson‘s new songs–recorded in 2007 at the New Jersey home studio of family friends–aren’t his.

The “Cascio tracks” have caused an uproar. On the planned “Michael” album set for December 14th release, there will be three: “Breaking News,” “Monster,” and “Keep Your Head Up.” (I’ve heard the latter song, and it’s quite wonderful.)

I am told that in addition to forensic tests on the songs to make sure the vocals are Michael’s, Sony sources say Eddie Cascio has provided notes written on lyric sheets in Michael’s unmistakable handwriting. (Of course, they can always call in Helena Bonham Carter’s aunt–see yesterday’s column.)

Sources tell me there’s plenty of proof left behind by Michael that he provided the vocals on 12 tracks. Michael wasn’t just sitting around that whole time in the studio. He worked on the songs, and there’s evidence of it in the notations.

Some of the confusion on the currently streaming “Breaking News” may exist because Michael provided “guide” vocals on the tracks. He didn’t record back up vocals or anything else that would embellish a regular recording. Producers have added back up singing and instrumentals to flesh the records out.

Michael also never finished or polished up the tracks. What’s been done to them is similar to what was applied to the song “This Is It.” Jackson had left just a one track vocal with a piano playing in the background. John McClain added background vocals from Michael’s brothers and other musical elements to give the track life.

Also included on the new album: three songs produced by a hot new producer-writer named Nephew. One of them, which I’ve heard, is called “Best of Joy.” It’s a lovely ballad. And ironic–that Michael’s nephews are causing so much dissent over the album because their songs weren’t used, but three by someone actually named Nephew were. Weird.

And yes, all three Cascio tracks are sung by Michael. There are no imposters. The album version of “Breaking News” is a little different than the one that streamed last month on Michael’s website. It should convince everyone that it’s MJ himself.

Sony sort of screwed this up from the beginning. The version of “Breaking News” that was put on the website for streaming in November didn’t sound like Michael Jackson. It was in fact the wrong mix. This led the rabid Jackson fans to scream that they were being fooled.

It’s too bad: “Breaking News” is a great single. On the album, it’s clearly Michael Jackson singing all the way through the lead. Jackson fans are denying themselves a real treat if they think otherwise

But now the trick is to overcome the weird, incorrect impression that vocals on the album aren’t Michael’s. They are.

Did he promoted the tracks? did he said lies?:

YES !!!

 

[Kapital77]

I'll classify it's possible for Friedman to hear them as it was done by people related to MJ (Dileo / Cascio's). They were probably sending Bobby Ewing demos around (record executives, radio DJ's etc) to get a record deal / airtime / radio play. That's how this business works.

If he heard the tracks, he has conections with Cascios.

If he has conections with them, it´s true that McClain did not want those tracks on the album.

It´s sure that he promoted those tracks to Sony and try to fool the fans with all those lies.

I will never forget Roger Friedman.

 

[kopwatcher]

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I cannot believe what I'm reading as I'm reading those Friedman articles in retrospect. His unwavering conviction is concerning, and to me, points to something rather sinister. I know that sounds very conspiracy-theorist, but it's the genuine impression I get, knowing what I know now.

 

[Minimj]

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Did he promoted the tracks? did he said lies?:

YES !!!

But then you might as well tell the believers, they are lying too, there is no proof Roger was part of the scam?, he could actually think they are Michael like many of the fans who think they are.

(Sorry if you think I am picking on you, I'm not. Just simply saying what could be as this is all speculation and not truth)

 

[Kapital77]

I cannot believe what I'm reading as I'm reading those Friedman articles in retrospect. His unwavering conviction is concerning, and to me, points to something rather sinister. I know that sounds very conspiracy-theorist, but it's the genuine impression I get, knowing what I know now.

I lived all those lies, day by day.

Since i heard Breaking news, i never saw Michael in that Streamed song.

Later, i began to read all the Friedman articles in retrospect.

He always defended the Cascio´s tracks, he attacked Taryll, Jackson Family, McClain and anyone who said it was not Michael in the Cascios tracks.

It´s not rare?.

It´s clear that Roger Friedman fooled everyone.

He never had respect with MJ or his music. Look now in those months how he supported the tracks day by day.

He has conections with Frank Di Leo, Branca and Cascios, that´s the truth.

 

[ivy]

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His unwavering conviction is concerning, and to me, points to something rather sinister.

did you read what I have posted earlier today?

Do you consider that he might know something more than we know and that's why he could be so adamant?

See he was the first to mention the presence of Cascio songs, he even gave the names before it was reported, he was first about the "work tapes" - so I guess we can all agree that he has some sort of inside info probably coming from the Cascio side.

He was the person that reported MJ was in NJ in 2007. He also claims that he heard those songs pre-Michael in 2006.

so - just a scenario - did you even consider that he perhaps knew / heard that Michael recorded those songs before Michael's death, before any concern was raised and that's why he's so certain?

so is it some sort of conspiracy or does he know something that we don't?

 

[Kapital77]

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He did also changed his web to difficult the find of the articles.

Try to find those articles using the word Michael in his web, you will not find anything.