Michael - The Great Album Debate

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

You're right. And they could have written and produced that same song with Jason Malachi and it would have been just as good. Right?

Or better

 

[Birchey]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

You're right. And they could have written and produced that same song with Jason Malachi and it would have been just as good. Right?

Lol, thats completely irrelevant, the whole point I posted there name is because they made that song as a team. If you choose to ingore the fact they had massive influence on the song, thats a narrow minded thing to say, especially considering MJ didn't have much time to work on the album due to touring.

• Written and composed by Michael Jackson, James Harris III and Terry Lewis
• Produced by Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis, and Michael Jackson
• Arranged by Michael Jackson, Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis
• Recorded and mixed by Steve Hodge
• Solo and background vocals, vocal arrangement by Michael Jackson
• Keyboard programming by Andrew Scheps
• Drum programming by Jeff Taylor
• Additional programming by Rob Hoffman
• All instruments performed by Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis
• Assistant engineers by Brad Yost, Xavier Smoth, Ryan Arnold, Steve Baughman and Steve Durkee

Michael ALWAYS believed in giving people credit when it was due, and thats exactly what he did, always.

 

[samhabib]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Lol, thats completely irrelevant, the whole point I posted there name is because they made that song as a team. If you choose to ingore the fact they had massive influence on the song, thats a narrow minded thing to do.

• Written and composed by Michael Jackson, James Harris III and Terry Lewis
• Produced by Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis, and Michael Jackson
• Arranged by Michael Jackson, Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis
• Recorded and mixed by Steve Hodge
• Solo and background vocals, vocal arrangement by Michael Jackson
• Keyboard programming by Andrew Scheps
• Drum programming by Jeff Taylor
• Additional programming by Rob Hoffman
• All instruments performed by Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis
• Assistant engineers by Brad Yost, Xavier Smoth, Ryan Arnold, Steve Baughman and Steve Durkee

Michael ALWAYS believed in giving people credit when it was due, and thats exactly what he did, always.

I know who worked on the song - any look at Wikipedia would help with that. My point is that that song doesn't get written without Michael Jackson. You need his cultural and musical influences to create a song like that. ESPECIALLY when it comes to those lyrics - 'if you want to see the truth of purity, it's here inside a lonely heart'. Prince, for example, would never write anything like that.

Anyone could write Monster. ANYONE.

That's the difference.

 

[Birchey]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Is there any websites anywhere which outline alot of the evidence over the "cascio" tracks?

 

[samhabib]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Is there any websites anywhere which outline alot of the evidence over the "cascio" tracks?

Just hear if from the horse's mouth

[youtube]eKjtvQbU_Sg[/youtube]

"No one can really do his scream..."

Well that's all I really needed to know, really.

 

[a2z]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Do y'all think All I Need is a Malachi track as well?

 

[Pentum]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Yes, and a horrible one.

 

[samhabib]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Yes, and a horrible one.

Sounded almost exactly like this!

http://www.myspace.com/video/gfaucheux/jason-malachi-performance-at-unity-awards-2008/45454313

 

[Pentum]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Yup, with elements taken from MJ songs. Absolutely pathetic!

 

[a2z]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Wow - I'd disagree with you based on the way certain parts are pronounced (helping hand/heroes) as they sound exactly the same as MJ.

Also, if this is the same imposter that sings Monster then why did they use such a crappy vocal quality for that track instead of just getting him to resing it and not have that whole "PVC pipe" crap?

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Sounded almost exactly like this!

http://www.myspace.com/video/gfaucheux/jason-malachi-performance-at-unity-awards-2008/45454313

Yup, with elements taken from MJ songs. Absolutely pathetic!

Am I the only one who hear in the background:

 

[Pentum]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Wow - I'd disagree with you based on the way certain parts are pronounced (helping hand/heroes) as they sound exactly the same as MJ.

Also, if this is the same imposter that sings Monster then why did they use such a crappy vocal quality for that track instead of just getting him to resing it and not have that whole "PVC pipe" crap?

I dunno.

First time I heard AIN (and I didn't know it was a Cascio track), I almost puked and I just couldn't understand how someone would think this is MJ. I still can't.

Am I the only one who hear in the background:

YANA.

 

[a2z]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I dunno.

First time I heard AIN (and I didn't know it was a Cascio track), I almost puked and I just couldn't understand how someone would think this is MJ. I still can't.

Funny, for me it was the opposite - Placebo can do amazing things as you'll see what you want or hear what you can't

Whilst Breaking News is an obvious hack job (1 partial verse and the rest was a mish mash of cut and paste adlibs to form Break king th ee newwww sss) of another song or demo that seemed to be about the amount of coonery going on in Black music these days (we're on display) with the whole Micccaheeelll Jaaackson bit tacked on for a hook.

Monster on the other hand sounds a lot more reasonable when pitched back down:

http://www.zshare.net/audio/86741919b9c75968/

One could only imagine what it would be like with the processing thats been shovelled onto the vocals.

Think of the leap in excellence with the latest release of Hollywood Tonight without the molested vocals - The album version was unlistenable in comparison to the single edit.

Imagine if Billie Jean had never been released and the only take we had was this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8reGEben0g0

Which they polished, autotuned, melodyne, butchered, cut and pasted into a retail release people would be saying "MJ doesn't sing like that/listen to the lyrics/makes no sense" etc..

Just think for a sec - If they were going to fake it they would have done a better job I mean if they'd used this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GyuiHVAE7o

Most people wouldn't have realized anything was off. Personally I would have arranged about 4 different vocal impersonators (one for each octave) and then sliced the performaces together for an immaculate end product instead of the obvious jobs that were released.

Just my thoughts.

 

[samhabib]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Marcus Joseph is a better impersonator than Jason Malachi. He still sounds like Peter Andre, though.

No doubt, Teddy Riley raped the vocals on Hollywood Tonight so that they'd sound similar (similarly processed at least) to the horrid vocals on the Cascio songs.

There's not one note on the Cascio songs that sound anything like ANY note that Michael Jackson has ever sung.

As to your logic that they're not fake because if they were they'd be better fakes, what you're actually saying is that they must be real because they sound nothing like Michael Jackson? Some incredible logic, that.

 

[kreen]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I dunno.

First time I heard AIN (and I didn't know it was a Cascio track), I almost puked and I just couldn't understand how someone would think this is MJ. I still can't.


YANA.

Wow, you guys are still all here, going on about how "the Cascio tracks sound NOTHING like MJ". I have demonstrated logically and rationally a dozen times how that statement is self-contradictory.

1- You believe in a hoax.
2- In order for the hoax to exist, the Cascio songs HAVE TO sound like MJ, otherwise nobody would have been fooled into including them on the record, and no buyer of the album would have been fooled into thinking they had just bought an MJ record.
3- Therefore, the Cascio songs sound like MJ.
4- Therefore, the basis for the hoax disappears, since its only basis is the idea that the Cascio songs somehow don't sound like MJ.
5- Therefore, there is no hoax and the Cascio songs are indeed MJ.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Wow, you guys are still all here, going on about how "the Cascio tracks sound NOTHING like MJ". I have demonstrated logically and rationally a dozen times how that statement is self-contradictory.

1- You believe in a hoax.
2- In order for the hoax to exist, the Cascio songs HAVE TO sound like MJ, otherwise nobody would have been fooled into including them on the record, and no buyer of the album would have been fooled into thinking they had just bought an MJ record.
3- Therefore, the Cascio songs sound like MJ.
4- Therefore, the basis for the hoax disappears, since its only basis is the idea that the Cascio songs somehow don't sound like MJ.
5- Therefore, there is no hoax and the Cascio songs are indeed MJ.

The problem with your logic is that you forgot to mention that even if it was MJ, he sounds nothing like the supposed himself.

 

[Pentum]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Marcus could never get the job done. Listen to that accent. He's Norwegian, I'm Norwegian so it's easy to tell he would never be able to do the american accent.

IMO, Jason is the only person good enough to do it. He already released two albums trying to sound like MJ, he has musical experience and one of his dreams was to be on an MJ album - Yes, he really said that.

 

[Pentum]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Wow, you guys are still all here, going on about how "the Cascio tracks sound NOTHING like MJ". I have demonstrated logically and rationally a dozen times how that statement is self-contradictory.

1- You believe in a hoax.
2- In order for the hoax to exist, the Cascio songs HAVE TO sound like MJ, otherwise nobody would have been fooled into including them on the record, and no buyer of the album would have been fooled into thinking they had just bought an MJ record.
3- Therefore, the Cascio songs sound like MJ.
4- Therefore, the basis for the hoax disappears, since its only basis is the idea that the Cascio songs somehow don't sound like MJ.
5- Therefore, there is no hoax and the Cascio songs are indeed MJ.

I don't think the songs sound like Michael Jackson.

 

[samhabib]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I don't think the songs sound like Michael Jackson.

No one does. No one on here has claimed that they sound like any other Michael Jackson vocals. Even the most fervent believer.

 

[kreen]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

The problem with your logic is that you forgot to mention that even if it was MJ, he sounds nothing like the supposed himself.

And not a single line of my post was even read, let alone understood...

 

[Arklove]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Wow, you guys are still all here, going on about how "the Cascio tracks sound NOTHING like MJ". I have demonstrated logically and rationally a dozen times how that statement is self-contradictory.

1- You believe in a hoax.
2- In order for the hoax to exist, the Cascio songs HAVE TO sound like MJ, otherwise nobody would have been fooled into including them on the record, and no buyer of the album would have been fooled into thinking they had just bought an MJ record.
3- Therefore, the Cascio songs sound like MJ.
4- Therefore, the basis for the hoax disappears, since its only basis is the idea that the Cascio songs somehow don't sound like MJ.
5- Therefore, there is no hoax and the Cascio songs are indeed MJ.

Come on, this again, really? You've said this numerous times and you're always going to get the same answer. The songs don't sound like Michael Jackson to me.

 

[kreen]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I don't think the songs sound like Michael Jackson.

Who do they sound like then? Bob Dylan? Tom Waits? Rachelle Black? Elvis Presley? Jermaine Jackson?

Or maybe you'll say they sound like Jason Malachi. But Malachi is an MJ impersonator, who sounds a lot like MJ. So if the Cascio tracks sound like JM, then it implies as a matter of necessity that they sound like MJ also.

Basically, you have only two choices :

1- either you keep on asserting that the Cascio tracks sound nothing like MJ, in which case you have to explain how they could fool anyone into including or accepting them on an official MJ album, and you also have to explain how they could possibly sound like an MJ-soundalike without sounding a lot like the actual MJ (good luck with all of that)

2- either you admit the Cascio tracks do sound like MJ, in which case the whole basis for the hoax disappears.

So which is it?

 

[analogue]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Is it just me or does Breaking News sound an awful lot like a Britney Spears song? I can just imagine her voice when i hear the song

 

[samhabib]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Who do they sound like then? Bob Dylan? Tom Waits? Rachelle Black? Elvis Presley? Jermaine Jackson?

Or maybe you'll say they sound like Jason Malachi. But Malachi is an MJ impersonator, who sounds a lot like MJ. So if the Cascio tracks sound like JM, then it implies as a matter of necessity that they sound like MJ also.

Basically, you have only two choices :

1- either you keep on asserting that the Cascio tracks sound nothing like MJ, in which case you have to explain how they could fool anyone into including or accepting them on an official MJ album, and you also have to explain how they could possibly sound like an MJ-soundalike without sounding a lot like the actual MJ (good luck with all of that)

2- either you admit the Cascio tracks do sound like MJ, in which case the whole basis for the hoax disappears.

So which is it?

Which part of this sounds, to you, like Michael Jackson?

http://www.goear.com/listen/e123d77/breaking-news-jason-malachi-faking-michael-jackson

 

[Arklove]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Is it just me or does Breaking News sound an awful lot like a Britney Spears song? I can just imagine her voice when i hear the song

That is EXACTLY what I thought when I first heard it. Therefore, mediocre pop, and when has MJ ever written a song that was mediocre pop?

 

[samhabib]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

That is EXACTLY what I thought when I first heard it. Therefore, mediocre pop, and when has MJ ever written a song that was mediocre pop?

Oh I'm sure there'll be a fan or two on here who will be happy to tell you that Michael Jackson wrote crap songs all the time!

 

[love is magical]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Wow, you guys are still all here, going on about how "the Cascio tracks sound NOTHING like MJ". I have demonstrated logically and rationally a dozen times how that statement is self-contradictory.

1- You believe in a hoax..

I believe something is not right about these tracks. I highly doubt the integrity of the Cascio tracks.

2- In order for the hoax to exist, the Cascio songs HAVE TO sound like MJ, otherwise nobody would have been fooled into including them on the record, and no buyer of the album would have been fooled into thinking they had just bought an MJ record.

The Cascio songs do not have to sound absolutely like MJ, they just have to sound like MJ to a level enough to fool majority of music buyers out there.

3- Therefore, the Cascio songs sound like MJ.

E' Cassanova looks like MJ, but is not MJ.

4- Therefore, the basis for the hoax disappears, since its only basis is the idea that the Cascio songs somehow don't sound like MJ.

What basis? Your points above are not convincing.

5- Therefore, there is no hoax and the Cascio songs are indeed MJ.

According to your logic, E' Cass looks like MJ, he's indeed MJ. :scratch:

 

[kreen]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Which part of this sounds, to you, like Michael Jackson?

http://www.goear.com/listen/e123d77/breaking-news-jason-malachi-faking-michael-jackson

I can't get this to work, but if this is just some excerpt from BN, it's not like I haven't heard that song a thousand times now.

Please just answer my post, which gives you a simple alternative between two choices, one of which you must logically choose.

 

[Arklove]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Oh I'm sure there'll be a fan or two on here who will be happy to tell you that Michael Jackson wrote crap songs all the time!

Well, of course...and we're all waiting for it....But really, besides the obvious fake vocals, that was another thing that had nagged at me when I first heard it...I was like, 'umm...ok, I've never heard him do something this....shallow sounding, crap sounding..'...Even songs that I don't prefer, like Privacy..it could never be considered mediocre...he just didn't have it in him to write mediocre...

When I first let my sister listen to Monster, that was one of the first things she said to me, 'Not only is it obviously not Michael, but this doesn't even sound like anything he'd ever do..'...

 

[kreen]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

That is EXACTLY what I thought when I first heard it. Therefore, mediocre pop, and when has MJ ever written a song that was mediocre pop?

MJ has written a lot of mediocre songs. "Be Not Always". "The Lost Children". "D.S." Besides, chances are he didn't write any of the Cascio tracks : they were written by Cascio and Porte. Just like MJ didn't write any of the Jerkins material on Invincible.

And Breaking News is better than a lot of the stuff on Invincible.