Michael - The Great Album Debate

[Willy]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

THIS IS SAD, VERY SAD

I'm all with you Kapital.
People compare Jason's song to the Cascio ones because, in terms of voice, they are easily comparable. I know some will disagree but they do sound very, very similar, even identical in places. It's something you can't say about the real Michael Jackson recordings. It's funny how "the believers" expect them to sound identical all the way through to at least consider them to by sung by Malachi but at the same time they don't mind the distintc voice difference between the Cascio tracks and old MJ songs and readily accept all the excuses.

I know some fans come across as being obsessed with Malachi but again, they don't make these comparisons just for the sake of it but because for them the resemblance is striking and their videos pretty much prove it.
If the Cascios used a sound-alike to record their songs, which I belive thats what they did, why it couldn't have been Jason? Why? Because he's a young, chubby, white fellow seeking for fame? How do you actually expect such impostor to look like? Like E'casanova? He will get his five minutes of fame once the truth is out, thats for sure. Or because he's already known among the MJ fans and it would be plain stupid to use someone like that? Well, yeah but at the same time thats the very reason why he was used. They needed someone "field-proven" and Jason had been successful in fooling people into beliving he is/sound like Michael Jackson. C'mon, he's the right guy to do something like that, he's the definiton of MJ wannabe. He tries to sing like Michel, he tries to dance like Michael, being on the real MJ album must be like a dream come true for him.

I wonder how do you search for a Michael Jackson voice impersonator when you want to fake a MJ song. I mean it's not like there are hundreds of them to choose from wainting on every corner. National audition for the best MJ sound-alike would look quite suspicious, wouldn't it. No, you'd rather reach out to someone known yet tested.
Now, having all the time in the world, putting in extra efforts plus some studio tweaking could make you end up with songs good enough to fool the majority of people including some of the Estate's and Sony's executives but not good enough to deceive fans who are really familiar with MJ's voice and being aware of JM.

And even if they tried to find someone else, what are the chances that they would have found someone sounding so close to Malachi? Slim to none I guess.
Besides, its not only the fans, Tony Kurtis - Jason's former producer has recognized him in BN, that alone says alot. Why he disappeared from the net 2 days later remains a mystery.
Imagine a perfect sound-alike, a one-to-one copy, a voice clone. I know such a person doesn't exsist but theoretically, had they used someone like that or at least someone really, really good, no one probably would have questioned those songs, yet they still would be fake. This guy right here is far from perfect but he still managed to be on the record.

What I mean is that we can discuss the legal aspect of it all, the motives, the consequences but at the end of the day it's up to the very small group of people whether a song will make an album or not. Michael is not with us anymore, he doesn't have a say over all of this.
They can put anything they want on a CD, intentionally or as a result of fraud and carelessness and claim its Michael Jackson singing, no matter how weird it would sound. In such a case, anyone, be it an anonymous fan, an internationally known producer, a family member or even a forensic musicologist has nothing but opinion to offer regarding the authenticity of it. This much and nothing more. The importance of these opinions might be different to different people but just because something is official doesn't mean its correct.
I really hope that the Jacksons will do something about it when the Murray's trial is over.

I would like to thank everyone on "the doubters side", especially people like: Samhabib, Bumper, Pentum, Kapital, Barok, mjjesamor, love is magical, Arklove, azsummergirl, kopwatcher for keeping this thread going. If it weren't for you they would have closed it long time ego and swept "the controversy" under the carpet, pretending everything is fine.

 

[LLCz]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Where can I get the RAR file with the seven leaked songs?

 

[Arklove]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I'm all with you Kapital.
People compare Jason's song to the Cascio ones because, in terms of voice, they are easily comparable. I know some will disagree but they do sound very, very similar, even identical in places. It's something you can't say about the real Michael Jackson recordings. It's funny how "the believers" expect them to sound identical all the way through to at least consider them to by sung by Malachi but at the same time they don't mind the distintc voice difference between the Cascio tracks and old MJ songs and readily accept all the excuses.

I know some fans come across as being obsessed with Malachi but again, they don't make these comparisons just for the sake of it but because for them the resemblance is striking and their videos pretty much prove it.
If the Cascios used a sound-alike to record their songs, which I belive thats what they did, why it couldn't have been Jason? Why? Because he's a young, chubby, white fellow seeking for fame? How do you actually expect such impostor to look like? Like E'casanova? He will get his five minutes of fame once the truth is out, thats for sure. Or because he's already known among the MJ fans and it would be plain stupid to use someone like that? Well, yeah but at the same time thats the very reason why he was used. They needed someone "field-proven" and Jason had been successful in fooling people into beliving he is/sound like Michael Jackson. C'mon, he's the right guy to do something like that, he's the definiton of MJ wannabe. He tries to sing like Michel, he tries to dance like Michael, being on the real MJ album must be like a dream come true for him.

I wonder how do you search for a Michael Jackson voice impersonator when you want to fake a MJ song. I mean it's not like there are hundreds of them to choose from wainting on every corner. National audition for the best MJ sound-alike would look quite suspicious, wouldn't it. No, you'd rather reach out to someone known yet tested.
Now, having all the time in the world, putting in extra efforts plus some studio tweaking could make you end up with songs good enough to fool the majority of people including some of the Esate's and Sony's executives but not good enough to deceive fans who are really familiar with MJ's voice and being aware of JM.

And even if they tried to find someone else, what are the chances that they would found someone sounding so close to Malachi? Slim to none I guess.
Besides, its not only the fans, Tony Kurtis - Jason's former producer has recognized him in BN, that alone says alot. Why he disappeared from the net 2 days later remains a mystery.
Imagine a perfect sound-alike, a one-to-one copy, a voice clone. I know such a person doesn't exsist but theoretically, had they used someone like that or at least someone really, really good, no one probably would have questioned those songs, yet they still would be fake. This guy righ here is far from perfect but he still managed to be on the record.

What I mean is that we can discuss the legal aspect of it all, the motives, the consequences but at the end of the day it's up to the very small group of people whether a song will make an album or not. Michael is not with us anymore, he doesn't have a say over all of this.
They can put anything they want on a CD, intentionally or as a result of fraud and carelessness and claim its Michael Jackson singing, no matter how weird it would sound. In such a case, anyone, be it an anonymous fan, an internationally known producer, a family member or even a forensic musicologist has nothing but opinion to offer regarding the authenticity of it. This much and nothing more. The importance of these opinions might be different to different people but just because something is official doesn't mean its correct.
I really hope that the Jacksons will do something about it when the Murray's trial is over.

I would like to thank everyone on "the doubters side", especially people like: Samhabib, Bumper, Pentum, Kapital, mjjesamor, love is magical, Arklove, azsummergirl, kopwatcher for keeping this thread going. If it waren't for you they would have closed it long time ego and swept "the controversy" under the carpet, pretending everything is fine.

Great, great post, and I agree with every word....Thanks for this, Willy!

 

[AnnieRUOkay89]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I'm all with you Kapital.
People compare Jason's song to the Cascio ones because, in terms of voice, they are easily comparable. I know some will disagree but they do sound very, very similar, even identical in places. It's something you can't say about the real Michael Jackson recordings. It's funny how "the believers" expect them to sound identical all the way through to at least consider them to by sung by Malachi but at the same time they don't mind the distintc voice difference between the Cascio tracks and old MJ songs and readily accept all the excuses.

I know some fans come across as being obsessed with Malachi but again, they don't make these comparisons just for the sake of it but because for them the resemblance is striking and their videos pretty much prove it.
If the Cascios used a sound-alike to record their songs, which I belive thats what they did, why it couldn't have been Jason? Why? Because he's a young, chubby, white fellow seeking for fame? How do you actually expect such impostor to look like? Like E'casanova? He will get his five minutes of fame once the truth is out, thats for sure. Or because he's already known among the MJ fans and it would be plain stupid to use someone like that? Well, yeah but at the same time thats the very reason why he was used. They needed someone "field-proven" and Jason had been successful in fooling people into beliving he is/sound like Michael Jackson. C'mon, he's the right guy to do something like that, he's the definiton of MJ wannabe. He tries to sing like Michel, he tries to dance like Michael, being on the real MJ album must be like a dream come true for him.

I wonder how do you search for a Michael Jackson voice impersonator when you want to fake a MJ song. I mean it's not like there are hundreds of them to choose from wainting on every corner. National audition for the best MJ sound-alike would look quite suspicious, wouldn't it. No, you'd rather reach out to someone known yet tested.
Now, having all the time in the world, putting in extra efforts plus some studio tweaking could make you end up with songs good enough to fool the majority of people including some of the Estate's and Sony's executives but not good enough to deceive fans who are really familiar with MJ's voice and being aware of JM.

And even if they tried to find someone else, what are the chances that they would find someone sounding so close to Malachi? Slim to none I guess.
Besides, its not only the fans, Tony Kurtis - Jason's former producer has recognized him in BN, that alone says alot. Why he disappeared from the net 2 days later remains a mystery.
Imagine a perfect sound-alike, a one-to-one copy, a voice clone. I know such a person doesn't exsist but theoretically, had they used someone like that or at least someone really, really good, no one probably would have questioned those songs, yet they still would be fake. This guy righ here is far from perfect but he still managed to be on the record.

What I mean is that we can discuss the legal aspect of it all, the motives, the consequences but at the end of the day it's up to the very small group of people whether a song will make an album or not. Michael is not with us anymore, he doesn't have a say over all of this.
They can put anything they want on a CD, intentionally or as a result of fraud and carelessness and claim its Michael Jackson singing, no matter how weird it would sound. In such a case, anyone, be it an anonymous fan, an internationally known producer, a family member or even a forensic musicologist has nothing but opinion to offer regarding the authenticity of it. This much and nothing more. The importance of these opinions might be different to different people but just because something is official doesn't mean its correct.
I really hope that the Jacksons will do something about it when the Murray's trial is over.

I would like to thank everyone on "the doubters side", especially people like: Samhabib, Bumper, Pentum, Kapital, Barok, mjjesamor, love is magical, Arklove, azsummergirl, kopwatcher for keeping this thread going. If it weren't for you they would have closed it long time ego and swept "the controversy" under the carpet, pretending everything is fine.

That makes no sense, first off, Jason Malachi isn't anymore known than other, better, vocal impersonators. Many people would have no idea who he is, if it wasn't for youtube, and this recent issue. Jason Malachi isn't the only one who have had people fooled, people have been saying this about Marcus Joseph, Robert Alexander Giles, etc. Even a cab driver has made headlines because of sounding "just like Michael" according to some. They had better options, vocally, looks have nothing to do with it.

And as said before, Tony Kurtis isn't very reliable, initially claiming he didn't have any of Malachi's masters, and that he didn't work on Breaking News but recognized the voice, only to days later, upload his "master" of Breaking News, which sounds like nothing other than the album version pitched down. People say "It was the original" before Sony got their hands on it, but factually, there's nothing to support that.

Even with the amount of "studio tweaking" that went into these songs, there are still blatant and obvious faults with the production which have maintained it's way into the final product. Copy & paste vocals throughout the majority of certain songs, errors in over-dubs, etc. Like you said, Jason has "fooled people" before, and when he did, it was a song that was sung entirely through from verse to hook, and didn't have much need to cut and use words from every other sentence to complete the song, like some believer's and doubters have claimed was done to these records. So why do it now? If he had been "tested" as you say, then songs like Mamacita, and Biggerman, which lack the copy & paste, but have worked to "fool" others; Would be enough for for one to go, "Okay, I feel this can work", so why fix something that isn't broken? Why pick excerpts from one's studio performance to turn into a complete record, when the other more complete option, has already worked before? It's almost like you're saying, "Yea, Sony, Teddy Riley, and The Cascio's purposely put together a mediocre effort to cover their ass." It doesn't make much sense.

As others have said also, to make a true determination of anything, you'd need a record of Michael, heavily processed and vocalized, that he recorded in an average home setting, with the mentioned circumstances. Or find a Michael record, and edit it, and add x10 the vocal echo, reverb, and other effects, to match the alleged setting in which the songs were initially recorded. Someone said to be working on it, but I guess the effort died out, because those results never came. To add on to this, what you and other people may hear is subjective, for example, others, including I, find a falsetto in these songs almost identical to a performance of Michael from 2006. Some don't, while others find some of these songs, to have an identical sound to Michael, and don't hear Malachi much, if at all. And no amount of comparison video's can change that for those people.

Regardless of how you feel, hearing is subjective, and none of these comparison's have been objective to anyone at all, except for those who keep pushing them as the "Holy Grail" of proof. If you are so open minded and can reach so many possibilities of why the vocals are done the way they are, motives, and incentives reached, without anything to support the many claims. Why can't you equally accept a possibility that maybe the surroundings, set-up, and other circumstances may have affected the sound of these recordings?

Neither side has any objective proof at all, not a bit of it, yet it becomes "excuses", "unbelievable", and people become gullible when they dispute theories (because that's what they are), with theories of their own.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

That makes no sense, first off, Jason Malachi isn't anymore known than other, better, vocal impersonators. Many people would have no idea who he is, if it wasn't for youtube, and this recent issue. Jason Malachi isn't the only one who have had people fooled, people have been saying this about Marcus Joseph, Robert Alexander Giles, etc. Even a cab driver has made headlines because of sounding "just like Michael" according to some. They had better options, vocally, looks have nothing to do with it.

And as said before, Tony Kurtis isn't very reliable, initially claiming he didn't have any of Malachi's masters, and that he didn't work on Breaking News but recognized the voice, only to days later, upload his "master" of Breaking News, which sounds like nothing other than the album version pitched down. People say "It was the original" before Sony got their hands on it, but factually, there's nothing to support that.

Even with the amount of "studio tweaking" that went into these songs, there are still blatant and obvious faults with the production which have maintained it's way into the final product. Copy & paste vocals throughout the majority of certain songs, errors in over-dubs, etc. Like you said, Jason has "fooled people" before, and when he did, it was a song that was sung entirely through from verse to hook, and didn't have much need to cut and use words from every other sentence to complete the song, like some believer's and doubters have claimed was done to these records. So why do it now? If he had been "tested" as you say, then songs like Mamacita, and Biggerman, which lack the copy & paste, but have worked to "fool" others; Would be enough for for one to go, "Okay, I feel this can work", so why fix something that isn't broken? Why pick excerpts from one's studio performance to turn into a complete record, when the other more complete option, has already worked before? It's almost like you're saying, "Yea, Sony, Teddy Riley, and The Cascio's purposely put together a mediocre effort to cover their ass." It doesn't make much sense.

As others have said also, to make a true determination of anything, you'd need a record of Michael, heavily processed and vocalized, that he recorded in an average home setting, with the mentioned circumstances. Or find a Michael record, and edit it, and add x10 the vocal echo, reverb, and other effects, to match the alleged setting in which the songs were initially recorded. Someone said to be working on it, but I guess the effort died out, because those results never came. To add on to this, what you and other people may hear is subjective, for example, others, including I, find a falsetto in these songs almost identical to a performance of Michael from 2006. Some don't, while others find some of these songs, to have an identical sound to Michael, and don't hear Malachi much, if at all. And no amount of comparison video's can change that for those people.

Regardless of how you feel, hearing is subjective, and none of these comparison's have been objective to anyone at all, except for those who keep pushing them as the "Holy Grail" of proof. If you are so open minded and can reach so many possibilities of why the vocals are done the way they are, motives, and incentives reached, without anything to support the many claims. Why can't you equally accept a possibility that maybe the surroundings, set-up, and other circumstances may have affected the sound of these recordings?

Neither side has any objective proof at all, not a bit of it, yet it becomes "excuses", "unbelievable", and people become gullible when they dispute theories (because that's what they are), with theories of their own.

If it didn't make sense we wouldn't be having a controversy now.You can always try to make a controversy over any other MJ's song, it won't work.


@Willy, great post

 

[ivy]

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@Bumper I think Annie means that the parts she bolded from Willy's post doesn't make sense.

and @Kapital77 we don't push our opinions on other people , do we now?

 

[Dorian]

It´s incredible how many "non doubters" can´t see that is Jason Malachi in the Cascio´s tracks:

http://soundcloud.com/kapital21edad/malachivsfaketracks21-2/s-IIlEl

THIS IS SAD, VERY SAD, because is clear like water.

Please stop making excuses talking about production or melodyne. It´s not MJ.

And please, heard the JACKSON FAMILY, Rodney Jerkins and others, they don´t believe it´s Michael voice.

The very way you can hear Malachi,we can hear Michael :/

As for the high note I think it's the same vibrato effect used on both voices :scratch:

 

[Aniram]

And please, heard the JACKSON FAMILY, Rodney Jerkins and others, they don´t believe it´s Michael voice.

If I was ANY of them and I really cared about Michael, I would be speaking out against this all of the time and making sure that this fraud is taken care of. I don't see any of that happening... It still could, though, we will see. Kapital77, YOU talk more about this controversy than any of those people mentioned. Isn't that odd to you? Why are you and the fellow doubters and even believers and skeptics so much more interested in this than people that were actually close to Michael?

 

[Dorian]

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So we kinda have The Jacksons and Rodney Jerkins along with some others against Bruce Sweeden,The Cascios and other producers.

Of course Bruce/Cascios/etc are lying cause they were paid millions of $$ to accept 3 songs that were fake as legit even though they had another 50 complete songs in the valut h34r:

 

[noirnoar]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Where can I get the RAR file with the seven leaked songs?

You can find it here:
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3275937&postcount=5845

 

[mjjesamor]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Thanks for your post Willie. Agree 100% with you. I am glad to see the thread still going. It is blatantly obvious that for a while some people were very purposefully trying to rile people up and cause trouble with the aim of having the thread closed. Hang in there guys! Sooner or later the truth will come out.

 

[Kapital77]

If I was ANY of them and I really cared about Michael, I would be speaking out against this all of the time and making sure that this fraud is taken care of. I don't see any of that happening... It still could, though, we will see. Kapital77, YOU talk more about this controversy than any of those people mentioned. Isn't that odd to you? Why are you and the fellow doubters and even believers and skeptics so much more interested in this than people that were actually close to Michael?

You don´t know what will they do in the future.

And also, Jermaine has not stopped to say is not Mj. There is a frech interview and tweeter where he said it´s not MJ.

The very way you can hear Malachi,we can hear Michael :/

As for the high note I think it's the same vibrato effect used on both voices :scratch:

In that comparison you can hear the same voice, is not a effect used. I don´t think that there were a effect to change my voice or the MJ voice to the voice of Jason Malachi. There are more of 20 audio comparisons that show it´s Jason Malachi.

BUT LOOK HOW HURRY THE CASCIO´S ERASE THE COMPARISON, LOOL !!!:

http://soundcloud.com/kapital21edad/malachivsfaketracks21-2/s-IIlEl

¿That is nothing for you?.

Cascio´s must be laughting will all this excuses about melodyne etc...

There is no proof, no proof mj sung those songs.

Hang in there guys! Sooner or later the truth will come out.

100% with you.

 

[Dorian]

You don´t know what will they do in the future.

And also, Jermaine has not stopped to say is not Mj. There is a frech interview and tweeter where he said it´s not MJ.



In that comparison you can hear the same voice, is not a effect used. I don´t think that there were a effect to change my voice or the MJ voice to the voice of Jason Malachi. There are more of 20 audio comparisons that show it´s Jason Malachi.

BUT LOOK HOW HURRY THE CASCIO´S ERASE THE COMPARISON, LOOL !!!:

http://soundcloud.com/kapital21edad/malachivsfaketracks21-2/s-IIlEl

¿That is nothing for you?.

Cascio´s must be laughting will all this excuses about melodyne etc...

There is no proof, no proof mj sung those songs.

First.Stop pushing your opinion here.It doesn't sound like Malachi to me.Do you think Sony would have used an artist we would've already know about?Do you think he would be so insane to release Critical the same time Sony released Michael so people would be able to make comparisions?

In both KYHU and Critical that verse was edited and the vibrato in the voice was added artificially.You can tell it's almost impossible to hit that note in real life and it sounds somehow robotical.

Audio comparisions.Those audio comparisions are made only some words,anyone can copy some words.If it was indeed Jason Malachi there would be verses or even the whole song the same as his ones.

About the comparisions,I suppose the family has his own life and doesn't bother taking them down.Why would they?The site is automatically removing them or maybe some fans are reporting it.

If we take your explanation,they already got the money,the album had it's first weeks sell.Why bother removing them now that they got the money?

 

[Kapital77]

First.Stop pushing your opinion here.

Stop pushing? I am not pushing any opinion. You have your opinion, and i have my opinion. Please stop using those excuses with me. stop

It doesn't sound like Malachi to me.Do you think Sony would have used an artist we would've already know about?Do you think he would be so insane to release Critical the same time Sony released Michael so people would be able to make comparisions?

Not, Sony did not used Malachi, they were the Cascios. And they did not released Critical in the same time Sony released Michael.

In both KYHU and Critical that verse was edited and the vibrato in the voice was added artificially.You can tell it's almost impossible to hit that note in real life and it sounds somehow robotical.

The vibrato was not added artificially. Please post the source of your info.

About the comparisions,I suppose the family has his own life and doesn't bother taking them down.Why would they?The site is automatically removing them or maybe some fans are reporting it.

Not, the site did not remove nothing automatically. It were the Cascios:

we've received a take-down notice from Angelikson Music about content used and uploaded without their permission

Like they do with You tube.

If we take your explanation,they already got the money,the album had it's first weeks sell.Why bother removing them now that they got the money?

Because it´s a fraud and they don´t want that the world knows the truth. The truth will come.. sooner or later. the justice will come sooner or later:

MalachivsFAKETRACKS22.wav - 4.6 Mb

 

[pushukrystian]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

First.Stop pushing your opinion here.It doesn't sound like Malachi to me.Do you think Sony would have used an artist we would've already know about?Do you think he would be so insane to release Critical the same time Sony released Michael so people would be able to make comparisions?

In both KYHU and Critical that verse was edited and the vibrato in the voice was added artificially.You can tell it's almost impossible to hit that note in real life and it sounds somehow robotical.

Audio comparisions.Those audio comparisions are made only some words,anyone can copy some words.If it was indeed Jason Malachi there would be verses or even the whole song the same as his ones.

About the comparisions,I suppose the family has his own life and doesn't bother taking them down.Why would they?The site is automatically removing them or maybe some fans are reporting it.

If we take your explanation,they already got the money,the album had it's first weeks sell.Why bother removing them now that they got the money?

Great post! Totally agree with You! For me the only thing in Cascio's track which is similar to Malachi voice is vibrato, nothing else.

 

[Dorian]

Stop pushing? I am not pushing any opinion. You have your opinion, and i have my opinion. Please stop using those excuses with me. stop

Am saying this just because you seem to view the believers as your own enemy.Just like you I'm trying out to find out what happened,but I don't see why don't you accept that the tracks could be real.(didn't say that you should accept that they ARE real).

Not, Sony did not used Malachi, they were the Cascios. And they did not released Critical in the same time Sony released Michael.

Well this makes no sense.I mean the songs were registered just 2 days after Mike's death.I don't think the Cascio were like `OMFG MJ DIED LET'S GET AN IMPOSTOR TO SING SOME SONGS AND THEN WE CAN RELEASE THEM TO WIN SOME GOOD $$ AND ALSO PAYING OTHER PEOPLE NOT TO TELL ABOUT IT`.

Not, the site did not remove nothing automatically. It were the Cascios:


Like they do with You tube.

It's the record company not the person itself.It's all about copyright.It like Tommy Mottola was deleting the vids on youtube on his own.

Because it´s a fraud and they don´t want that the world knows the truth. The truth will come.. sooner or later. the justice will come sooner or later:

MalachivsFAKETRACKS22.wav - 4.6 Mb

As I said it's similarity just on one single not.I can also say that it's Marcus Joseph on the tracks as he sings Gone Too Soon almost the same as Michael.

The truth will come out,but we must keep in mind that the songs can be both fake or real.

 

[Kapital77]

Am saying this just because you seem to view the believers as your own enemy.Just like you I'm trying out to find out what happened,but I don't see why don't you accept that the tracks could be real.(didn't say that you should accept that they ARE real).

Not, you are not my enemy.

My enemy and the enemy of the MJ music legacy are the Cascios and Jason Malachi.

And i can´t accept that the tracks could be real, because i have a lot of audio comparisons that shows it´s Jason Malachi and i believe in Rodney Jerkins, Tony Kurtis, the Jackson Family, the doubts of Quincy Jones, Jennifer Batten, Chris Cadman "For the record", etc...

And because there were more of 20 Mj fan clubs that did not want those tracks on the album:

And because there is NO PROOF Mj sung those songs. I am tired to wait for the real proofs.

Well this makes no sense.I mean the songs were registered just 2 days after Mike's death.I don't think the Cascio were like `OMFG MJ DIED LET'S GET AN IMPOSTOR TO SING SOME SONGS AND THEN WE CAN RELEASE THEM TO WIN SOME GOOD $$ AND ALSO PAYING OTHER PEOPLE NOT TO TELL ABOUT IT`.

Yes, that´s what they did. First they registered the lyrics. After they registered the lyrics, they contacted with Jason Malachi. They had songs written by Porte and Eddie. The song were not written by Mj. After the death of MJ, they used Jason Malachi because he fooled many fans with "Let me let go" and "Mamacita".

That´s why in "Stay" there are spanish "te quiero", like in "Mamacita".

It's the record company not the person itself.It's all about copyright.It like Tommy Mottola was deleting the vids on youtube on his own.

The record company? Angelykson?. Angelykson never was a record company. They are producers, the Cascios: Eddie Cascio. A record company is Sony Music, but Sony Music did not erased the comparions. it was erased by order from Angelykson.... EDDIE.

HI EDDIE !!!! WHY YOU ERASE THE COMPARISONS? !!! THERE´S NO NEED IF IT´S REAL MJ !!!

The truth will come out,but we must keep in mind that the songs can be both fake or real.

That was i thought the first time i heard "Breaking news", that maybe the song was processed or altered. But after i heard "Keep your head up", "Monster", "Stay", and "All i need", it´s impossible Mj sound that different in all those songs.

And that Mj sounds exactly like Jason Malachi.

Great post! Totally agree with You! For me the only thing in Cascio's track which is similar to Malachi voice is vibrato, nothing else.

That´s not true:

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[Tony R]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I was watching 'Live In Bucharest' over the weekend (is there a better way to spend 2 hours on a rainy Sunday morning?). Thriller reminded me of this thread.

You see Michael get locked in the coffin with a sheet wrapped around it.
You see Michael come out with a werewolf mask on.
You hear Michael Jackson's voice.
You see him dance like Michael Jackson.

But is it Michael Jackson?

No. Michael's on the other side ready to sing Billie Jean.

 

[Korgnex]

Well, Kapital77, sometimes you're way over the top.

You claimed to accept other opinions, yet you are continuously pushing YOUR OPINION on various forums.

And i can´t accept that the tracks could be real, because i have a lot of audio comparisons [...]

Because it´s a fraud and they don´t want that the world knows the truth.

Don't let your emotions control your mind and argue correctly. Your obsession with and hate towards Jason Malachi won't help you. Neutral people can see that you're losing sense of reality that way.

Wasn't it enough to be banned from MaxJax? Now calm down please.

 

[Kapital77]

Well, Kapital77, sometimes you're way over the top.

You claimed to accept other opinions, yet you are continuously pushing YOUR OPINION on various forums.

Don't let your emotions control your mind and argue correctly. Your obsession with and hate towards Jason Malachi won't help you. Neutral people can see that you're losing sense of reality that way.

Wasn't it enough to be banned from MaxJax? Now calm down please.

Not, i am not pushing my opinions. I SAID one thing and others said other thing in a post about CONTROVERSY with the Cascios tracks.

You are always defending the the tracks are from MJ, and i am defending that the tracks were not sung by MJ, they were sung by Jason Malachi.

I never said that you are rude or disrespectfull when you attacked me in many posts. I do not loose my time in that things.

And i was not permament banned from Max Jax. Right now i decided to leave Max Jax forever, because it is impossible to debate with you and the mods who only defense one position.

When the truth came out, in the case that i was right with my opinion, you will be very very sorry for all your fight againts me and others, against the Jackson family, Rodney Jerkins and a lot of fans from a lot of forums which do not think it is MJ.

Sorry but I THINK that it is like defense Arvizos or Chandlers. People who hurted Mj.

That´s is my not pushing opinion. IT IS A OPINION IN A POST ABOUT THE FAKE TRACKS ON THE MJ ALBUM... THE GREAT ALBUM DEBATE... ONLY GO HERE IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE THE CONTROVERSY.

You always have the pushing opinion that it´s MJ, and nobody said to you that you are wrong.

Now you can say whatever you want.

 

[Dorian]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Some fans don't think HT is legit and think that it sounds familiar to Monster and Breaking News.Let's respect their opinion shall we?

Back to psychology...gonna post when I finish homework for today

 

[Kapital77]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Korgnex, you know CHRIS CADMAN, ask him about who sings in the Cascios tracks.

Ask him.

And this is your rude signature in the Max Jax:

"Some people have started to make up things for themselves. They think they are more intelligent than the rest.
Yet they just fail to see their simple arrogance and lost of sense of reality...
Welcome to their world of illusion: a world of conspiracy theories where you always find a lame excuse why sth must be faked."

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Kapital77, you go from stating that all those fan clubs didn't want the Cascio tracks on the album to they all don't think Michael is on these tracks.

Would you mind telling us English speaking people what the picture says, basically, that you posted? I'm having a hard time following.

Does it specifically say they don't believe Michael is on these tracks or do they think it's just damaging to his legacy and fans and didn't want them on the record?

 

[Korgnex]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

^ Chris Cadman is my friend, so I DID ask him. He says it doesn't sound like MJ to him. He also said it does NOT(!) sound like Jason Malachi to him.

So WHAT's the point?



It's a bit childish how you always quote the same people, yet you don't want to quote other people who said the contrary. This leads to nothing.

My signature is not rude, it's an appeal to one's rationality

 

[Korgnex]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Kapital77, you go from stating that all those fan clubs didn't want the Cascio tracks on the album to they all don't think Michael is on these tracks.

Would you mind telling us English speaking people what the picture says, basically, that you posted? I'm having a hard time following.

Does it specifically say they don't believe Michael is on these tracks or do they think it's just damaging to his legacy and fans and didn't want them on the record?

It's a list of forums/websites by fans that don't want the tracks on the album. Not all of them necessarily claim the songs to be fakes, but rather not good candidates for release due to the controversy.

The list however is ridiculous as the founders of those fan forums and websites didn't care about their members, they just decided for all of them. This causes a heavy misrepresentation.

That's why neutral forums like MaxJax, MJJC, JacksonVillage and many others didn't join such a stupid list.

Prejudice is ignorance.

 

[kopwatcher]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Some fans don't think HT is legit and think that it sounds familiar to Monster and Breaking News.Let's respect their opinion shall we?

Back to psychology...gonna post when I finish homework for today

Not sure whether you're saying this ironically, but to address the point as if it were made seriously:

Some people think MJ is really alive, and that he faked his own death, let's respect their opinion.
Some people think MJ is a paedophile, let's respect their opinion as well.

etc.

Some things you just cannot allow to slide.

 

[Kapital77]

many others didn't join such a stupid list.

Good, good for that respect with the list.

Great words to that list and to the founders of that forums:

founders of those fan forums and websites didn't care about their members

Great.

Later you will said that i push opinions, but you don´t respect that list of GREAT FORUMS:

And you don´t respect their founders.

Great !!!

 

[Kapital77]

Kapital77, you go from stating that all those fan clubs didn't want the Cascio tracks on the album to they all don't think Michael is on these tracks.

Would you mind telling us English speaking people what the picture says, basically, that you posted? I'm having a hard time following.

Does it specifically say they don't believe Michael is on these tracks or do they think it's just damaging to his legacy and fans and didn't want them on the record?

Here you have it in english:

Michael Jackson fan-clubs around the world have come together to ask the Estate of Michael Jackson and Sony Music to remove from the forthcoming "Michael" album the tracks produced with or by the Cascio brothers.

The international Michael Jackson fan community strongly feel that a new Michael Jackson album should not include songs that they feel are not Michael's.
The overwhelming response that we, fan-clubs, have received from our members expressing doubts over the Cascio tracks should not be ignored.

Michael Jackson fans around the world ask that the Estate of Michael Jackson and Sony Music respect our feelings and our expertise in this matter.
We are the future supporters of all the products that you will put out.
We ask that no doubt as to the origin of a song should ever surround the release of a Michael Jackson album.

The origin of the Cascio tracks is not clear enough for them to be included in this first new album since Michael Jackson's death.
Should you carry on with the release of the album as it stands, it would cast a shadow of doubt, discontent and frustration over any future release.

We know there are enough original unreleased songs to complete the album without the questionable ones.

Michael Jackson fans ask the estate of Michael Jackson and Sony Music to take our claim into consideration and respect our strong opposition to the release of "Michael" as it currently stands.

We will do what we deem necessary to honor the memory and legacy of Michael Jackson.

The United Michael Jackson fan-clubs of the world

MJFrance
jackson5abc.com
Jackson Source
mjackson.fr
MJJForum.it
mjjstreet.com
MJQUEBEC
Breaking News is not sung by Michael Jackson
Forum Forever MJ
MJ Backstage
Black & White magazine
mjjsh.com
MJJNation
MJLEGEND
MJ Collection
Jackson Street.nl
Michael Jackzone
Secret Of Moonwalk
The Michael Jackson Australian Fan Club
MJPortal
MJ's HideOut
Forum King Michael
MJCollectorland
Stéphane Boudsocq (journaliste RTL)
Les Minis Michael
El RincondePapaoso
Michael Jackson: Comenzó la Leyenda
HemerotecaMJ
Thrill Athens
The Michael Jackson Israeli Fan Club
MJJLatino.Net
The MICHAEL JACKSON Tunisian Fan Club
Michael Joseph Jackson International
Michael Jackson Fan-Club 3Generations
MJHQ
Official Michael Jackson Fan Club Chile: Dancing The Dream
Michael Jackson Database
Jackson Québec
Forum Michael Jackson01

You can sign the petition here : http://www.petitions24.com/michael

But this is what Korgnex said about the founders of those forums:

founders of those fan forums and websites didn't care about their members

If the founders of Mjhideout read this, you should be banned from that forum. Don´t worry they will know it.

 

[Korgnex]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

^ My god, are you childish, Kapital77. Trying to get me banned from a forum which I didn't even attack. Now that tells me sth about your character.

To care about the membership of a forum means to let them VOTE for what they would like to do. Otherwise it's a misrepresentation.
I have not said anything negative concerning MJHideOut!

 

[Kapital77]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

^ My god, are you childish, Kapital77.

Another act of respect.

Great, great.

Trying to get me banned from a forum which I didn't even attack. Now that tells me sth about your character.

Amazing, another act of respect.

It's a bit childish how you.....

Great Korgnex, great.

Korgnex and their respectfull coments.