Michael - The Great Album Debate

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Can you two please stop with your personal arguments derailing this thread? Can you please take these to PM?

And I certainly hope no one is making misleading statements about someone without actual proof, on either side.

Please get this thread back on track! Thanks!
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Don't worry, 7 more pages and this thread can probably be closed. :lol:
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Lol... let's make it to 400 pages and this thread will RIP.
 
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If this thread is closed, I hope we will have the opportunity to open another thread regarding the controversy should more concrete information become available or if Monster is ever released as a single. It would be really sad if we are unable to express our thoughts regarding this very important matter
 
Kapital77;3276385 said:
It´s incredible how many "non doubters" can´t see that is Jason Malachi in the Cascio´s tracks:

http://soundcloud.com/kapital21edad/malachivsfaketracks21-2/s-IIlEl

THIS IS SAD, VERY SAD, because is clear like water.

Please stop making excuses talking about production or melodyne. It´s not MJ.

And please, heard the JACKSON FAMILY, Rodney Jerkins and others, they don´t believe it´s Michael voice.

Why are you forcing your opinion on others? You are very rude my friend, you are attacking other people just because they don't have the same opinion as you do.
 
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Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Sorry if you think that my coments are rude.

It's not my intenterest to hurt others.

We all love Mj and im not new in this forum.

You should put you in my position and maybe you will understand my sad feeling.

It's very sad to see fake tracks on a MJ album and try to stay in calm.

I believe in the Jackson Family, Rodney jerkins, Batten, Chris Cadman and Tony Kurtis. I do not believe in the Cascios and their 'shower' explanation.
 
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Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Oh really, Kapital77? I thought you believed the Cascio's this whole time. :p
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Just thought I'd let you know, love is magical: Monster demo and Monster album version has the exact same speed.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Just thought I'd let you know, love is magical: Monster demo and Monster album version has the exact same speed.

Really? Can you tell me why the album version sounds faster, because of the production tricks?
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

^ Maybe? When I listen to them, I never thought one was slower than the other. One is a little longer than the other, though, maybe that's why you thought that? And that the mix is a bit more stripped down?
 
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^ Maybe? When I listen to them, I never thought one was slower than the other. One is a little longer than the other, though, maybe that's why you thought that? And that the mix is a bit more stripped down?

I don't think it has anything to do with the length of the song. May be because the early version is more stripped down, like you said, that's why I feel the vocals sound slower.

The reason I seem to be obsessed with the speed of the song is I feel the vocals on the early mix is clearer.

Again, may be my mind is playing tricks with me now. I guess I need to stop listening to the songs for a while because I'm confused now.
 
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I don't think it has anything to do with the length of the song. May be because the early version is more stripped down, like you said, that's why I feel the vocals sound slower.

The reason I seem to be obsessed with the speed of the song is I feel the vocals on the early mix is clearer.

Again, may be my mind is playing tricks with me now. I guess I need to stop listening to the songs for a while because I'm confused now.

If you don't like the songs themselves, then there isn't any point in bothering with them really :)
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

^ the vocals on the early version ARE clearer. They are clean and without any obvious effects on them.
In the album version the vocals have had a reverb effect added to them and they have been put through a filter to make them sound more raw and gritter, or as the cascios would like you to believe, as though they are sung through a pathetic PVC pipe.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

^ the vocals on the early version ARE clearer. They are clean and without any obvious effects on them.
In the album version the vocals have had a reverb effect added to them and they have been put through a filter to make them sound more raw and gritter, or as the cascios would like you to believe, as though they are sung through a pathetic PVC pipe.

well reverb won't do anything to it in terms of how much it sounds like MJ, some filtering indeed might though.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I don't really think the album version vocals sound any grittier or raw, but maybe that's just me. I guess they do sound a bit better on the album version, but it's barely different.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

A turd is a turd. I don't care how much you polish it up.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I disagree that these tracks are turds. I agree with how some people say they probably shouldn't have been released, though... I enjoy them.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

And the cow goes moo, and the cat goes meow! meow! and the dog goes woof! and the bird goes tweet-tweet! And the lion goes... :D :naughty:

This pic should be on the first post:

*****-fakeo.jpg


Aw, damn censors. :(
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

And the cow goes moo, and the cat goes meow! meow! and the dog goes woof! and the bird goes tweet-tweet! And the lion goes... :D :naughty:

This pic should be on the first post:

*****-fakeo.jpg


Aw, damn censors. :(

[youtube]mFfIIdK2cgM[/youtube]
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I found this 3 new comparisons:

[Youtube]Kr5gQF_LCtM[/youtube]

[Youtube]PyD8qVuV95c[/youtube]

[Youtube]GvsocNWkyco[/youtube]
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

^

Can't hear much similarities about them.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Come on, Dorian, is that even possible? It's so obvious that the voices in the first video are extremely similar, if not the same. Same with the vibratos (that last video makes me go crazy though).

I'm sensing a some in denial, yes? No?
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I forgot to put this one:

[youtube]kfZBf5VmbK0[/youtube]

It was the first comparison posted on You tube many months ago.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Come on, Dorian, is that even possible? It's so obvious that the voices in the first video are extremely similar, if not the same. Same with the vibratos (that last video makes me go crazy though).

I'm sensing a some in denial, yes? No?

Actually Malachi's voice sounds more rough than the one in Monster and a different way of ending the words.I'll listen more to it after I finish the psychology lessons for today.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Wow, saying people are in denial when they feel differently than you is kind of disrespectful....

Think about a Christian debating an Atheist, a Christian saying, 'I feel God exists, I just feel it.' and an Atheist telling them, 'You're in denial.' or vise versa. It's not a good way to debate, in my opinion.

I don't like stating that I don't hear the similarity and having people tell me I'm in denial like I'm a crazy person. Fact is, I don't think the person that sings Let Me Let Go sounds ANYthing like the person in the Cascio tracks(He does better on Critical).

That's my opinion, and I'll admit, some of the comparison videos are good. But Malachi CAN do a damn good Michael Jackson impression. It's what he was made famous for in 2007 when we all first started hearing these songs. I think that might be what is throwing people off, too. We haven't heard any NEW Michael Jackson material post those confusing Malachi days and they both sound modernized and more robotic. It's throwing people off, I'm sure, but I feel it's Michael Jackson on these songs.

I'll say it again, I think there's absolutely no reason to fake these songs. Michael Jackson was ALWAYS creating music. He always had music to work with. He always had songs to record. He had lots and lots of music sitting around. They could do anything with a project like this. They could have done cool remixes of any unreleased song. Why risk everything to do something as foolish as this? You really think you're going to fool Michael Jackson fans all over the world? I'm open to the possibility, though, I know that lots of things are possible... Maybe they REALLY don't think people are that smart. I hear Michael Jackson on these songs, though, still.

I think this is a lot of a matter of Michael Jackson not being alive anymore and not being here to put his perfectionist stamp of approval on this. I have wondered before if maybe Michael Jackson recorded this material rough on purpose so that just in case it gets stolen he could say it's not him or it'd be questionable(you could still tell it is though). That's always a possibility... that he put little watermarks here and there, you know. I'm sure he could record music in different voices and accents if he wanted to.

Yes, he probably wouldn't have ever released this material. That's kind of obvious, we all know how particular Michael was. We all know he probably wouldn't have had Hold My Hand open his new album, either. Things like that, we know Michael is missing. However, we all know that a lot of the stuff Michael put away as 'not good enough' was actually quite good and miles above what a lot of musicians create, and they are definitely all treasures to fans. So I think it makes sense that they will release this stuff. I think, at least, people deserve to know that Michael Jackson was a good person. Unique, extraordinary, brilliant, a genius, etc. People need to know he was no child molesting freak of nature who turned into a white girl. People need to learn how to love and I hope that releasing more Michael Jackson music will get people to do that.

Something I notice about Jason Malachi is that he sounds so much younger and, well, whiter than Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson, while having his signature soft voice, has that soul in his voice that Jason Malachi doesn't completely lack but just doesn't do near as well at replicating. This is instantly distinguishable to me in Malachi's music versus the Cascio tracks and other Michael Jackson music.

We all know the voice in these tracks sounds different than usual. But that doesn't mean it's a different person. Just try to keep that in mind. When a person is no longer alive to finish a song, sometimes people finish the music for them by usually butchering it up into some new mechanized production. That's what I kind of feel like the Cascio tracks are. They're not horrible, to me, like some people think, but I don't think they're Michael Jackson's best songs by any means...

I saw an interview with Michael's children and mother from a couple weeks ago... they didn't mention anything about this whole controversy. Of course, the situation wasn't for it, but still... Everyone involved in this seems innocent. The Cascio's, Teddy, Malachi... The only people who doubters can credibly argue have bad intentions are Sony because of Michael's words about them... but I don't know if that still stands the same in 2011. I'm sure there are many many people in the Estate who care about Michael very much and would make sure that his legacy is preserved as best they can.

That is what I hope, anyway... I do know that there were some shady people around Michael during the time of his death, which makes me kind of suspicious. I just hope that someone can stick up enough for Michael Jackson and his fans that this gets completely resolved and we can know for certain the process as to why the tracks sound as they do... I'm so saddened by this... :(

I am glad that this thread has died down a little bit, though, I think we all need to stay calm and enjoy Michael Jackson's amazing timeless legacy and message and be at peace as much as we can. We need to unite together as fans of Michael Jackson and keep requesting that more information be released about these Cascio tracks.

If the hope and the demand never go away, we have the chance of getting this issue resolved just like we helped support Michael in all other challenging times. I definitely think it's owed to the fans and Michael's legacy that we are assured about the authenticity controversial tracks, believer or doubter.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Guys, have you heard the new George Michael song? Its all auto-tuned and he sounds like a drunk robot singing through a vacuum cleaner pipe, yet he is still very easily recognizable.

http://www.georgemichael.com/
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Guys, have you heard the new George Michael song? Its all auto-tuned and he sounds like a drunk robot singing through a vacuum cleaner pipe, yet he is still very easily recognizable.

http://www.georgemichael.com/


LMAO!!!!!!!!

But you're right, you easily recognize his voice print.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

yet he is still very easily recognizable.

10000% with you.

Is impossible to not recognize his voice....

Like with MJ.
 
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