Michael - The Great Album Debate

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Taryll and Cory Rooney had one that didn't make the cut.

I'm very well aware, but my question remains:
-what tracks?

And subquestions:
-Did the fans hear the tracks to judge them so easily?
-Is Hollywood Tonight a bad track?

 

[MJultimatemusiclegen]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Maybe their track was going to be on the album... Until they decided to have the Cascio tracks on there. While I know better than to assume, it could explain why Taryll singled out the Cascio tracks. Sorry to say, but Teddy just seems more reliable to me. I'd say it isn't impossible that all the things Teddy has said to have done on the song is legit. I've used some editing software and can make tracks sound a tad weird.

Isn't it funny though, that these tracks that randomly replaced his also happen to be the one's with the questionable vocals. I don't count these songs as part of MJ's back catalogue, i count them as strange songs that i just don't know what to do with.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Maybe their track was going to be on the album... Until they decided to have the Cascio tracks on there. While I know better than to assume, it could explain why Taryll singled out the Cascio tracks. Sorry to say, but Teddy just seems more reliable to me. I'd say it isn't impossible that all the things Teddy has said to have done on the song is legit. I've used some editing software and can make tracks sound a tad weird.

Teddy reliable?

Let me see:

"Michael was murdered"
"Michael is alive"
"The vocals on the Cascio are authentic"
"I am not doing it for the money"
"No one can scream like Michael"
...

 

[Jesta]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Again, we haven't heard the original, unedited vocals. They could sound a lot more like him. Because of the process that these songs went through, Taryll thought that he could cry "fake!" to get his song(s) back on the album. I would love to see what Teddy did with the vocals exactly.

EDIT: @Bumper, Teddy could be going through the "denial" part of the seven stages of grief. Isn't the one before it anger? Plus, we have NO evidence that he has been paid for it. His intentions could very well be pure.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Again, we haven't heard the original, unedited vocals. They could sound a lot more like him. Because of the process that these songs went through, Taryll thought that he could cry "fake!" to get his song(s) back on the album. I would love to see what Teddy did with the vocals exactly.

EDIT: @Bumper, Teddy could be going through the "denial" part of the seven stages of grief. Isn't the one before it anger? Plus, we have NO evidence that he has been paid for it. His intentions could very well be pure.

Pure is when you do something for people out of love, not when you do it for one of the biggest and richest companies in the world. That's called business.

 

[Alec]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

If you followed all of this since November, you'd have known that Teddy did almost nothing with the vocals. He received them as they are, and when the mess with Breaking News started, he himself said that people should ask the Cascios and not him, because they were the ones who overprocessed the vox and "fucked them up".
Also, you'll never hear unedited "raw" vocal tracks, because no such recordings exist.

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Did Teddy say HE processed the vocals? Or did he say that was what was done to them?

What are the quotes, please, if anyone would be kind enough to pull them up? His comments about the use of melodyne and 'processing'?

It seems like he just kept saying how he could take the songs and make them sound amazing, but I don't know if he heard early demos of the songs and built around that or what.

We have really had such vague explanations as to what happened during the creation of these songs. Being his newest songs, you think there'd be more explaining of, if not Michael's process but their process of making the songs ready for the album. You know what I mean?

I don't know why we haven't seen vids of them sitting at the computer with an early version going, 'Okay, so this is what we had to work with. You can hear how muffled he is there, the volume is off here. We had to stretch it here.'

You know? Whatever... then show us the final version. We'll go, 'Cool' and will be able to sleep easy at night.

 

[Jesta]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

OK then, let me rephrase my earlier statement:

"I'd love to see what Cascios/any other producers did with the vocals exactly."

Didn't Teddy say that he took the job to further Michael's legacy? Isn't that out of love, then?

 

[JacksonMan]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

please somebody answer me as FAST as possible. which dvd audio extractor seperates all six channels? Please somebody tell me before it's too late. I keep asking in all the forums but nobody will answer me. I literally have minutes. Please.

 

[Alec]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Did Teddy say HE processed the vocals? Or did he say that was what was done to them?

What are the quotes, please, if anyone would be kind enough to pull them up? His comments about the use of melodyne and 'processing'?

It seems like he just kept saying how he could take the songs and make them sound amazing, but I don't know if he heard early demos of the songs and built around that or what.

We have really had such vague explanations as to what happened during the creation of these songs. Being his newest songs, you think there'd be more explaining of, if not Michael's process but their process of making the songs ready for the album. You know what I mean?

I don't know why we haven't seen vids of them sitting at the computer with an early version going, 'Okay, so this is what we had to work with. You can hear how muffled he is there, the volume is off here. We had to stretch it here.'

You know? Whatever... then show us the final version. We'll go, 'Cool' and will be able to sleep easy at night.

Go read Riley's twitter yourself and you'll know everything. He started posting about the new album in September 2010.

www.twitter.com/teddyriley1

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

He also said he hadn't got paid yet and didn't really care if he did, because it was for Michael.

 

[JacksonMan]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Go read Riley's twitter yourself and you'll know everything. He started posting about the new album in September 2010.

www.twitter.com/teddyriley1

please somebody answer me as FAST as possible. which dvd audio extractor seperates all six channels? Please somebody tell me before it's too late. I keep asking in all the forums but nobody will answer me. I literally have minutes. Please.

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Saw you the first time you said it. Stop spamming the thread... Nobody's going to help you. Use Google, it's quicker than a message board and you're not going to find info of a DVD audio splitter in Michael Jackson's new album debate.

You act like you need the antidote quickly or you'll die. Someone please, I've been bitten by a poisonous spider and I need the antidote quickly. I literally have minutes. Please please please fast.

 

[JacksonMan]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

my grandpa will not let me disconnect the internet from his computer again to hook it up to mine to install this program. Please someobdy take two seconds out of your day and tell me the name. A few more minutes and I'm shit out of luck if nobody answers me. Ive been pming like 20 people who were online and asking all over the place and nobody will answer me. they just keep conversating as if they didn't see me asking.

 

[JacksonMan]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Saw you the first time you said it. Stop spamming the thread... Nobody's going to help you. Use Google, it's quicker than a message board and you're not going to find info of a DVD audio splitter in Michael Jackson's new album debate.

You act like you need the antidote quickly or you'll die. Someone please, I've been bitten by a poisonous spider and I need the antidote quickly. I literally have minutes. Please please please fast.

all google does is give me an infinite number of these programs. I've installed 6 already. None of them seperate it like that. I dont' know which ones actually seperate the channels, and mostly everybody here knows because they do it all the time. Please man. I'm not spamming. I'm asking for help and I literally have minutes.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

He also said he hadn't got paid yet and didn't really care if he did, because it was for Michael.

Lol

 

[Jesta]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Have you got evidence to suggest that Teddy has been paid for his services?

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Do you know how to use Google? It's quite the helpful resource. Have you typed your question in there? I think you're honestly going to have to find it yourself there, not looking like a crazy person interrupting peoples discussion with the most random question...

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

@BUMPER, LOL HEE HEE XOXO :lol: Ooooh yeah.

 

[kopwatcher]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I'm not going to comment on the motive talk above because that's a dead end.

One thing which has occurred to me though: With the legit songs there has been evidence to show of MJ's involvement such as his handwritten lyrics. With the Cascio songs, however, there is NO evidence. To attempt to mitigate against this they released a statement which was effectively testimonials. Nothing tangible though, despite the fact they claim to have hired audio forensics.

So here's the question: If they are so concerned about what the fans think (and the numerous fan clubs who have protested these songs is well-documented), why would they go ahead and hide the detailed findings of these audiologists? Why would they not wish to put fans' minds at rest by showing the results, or even describing the processing that took place, or letting us hear the raw vocals? - This is key.

With the legit songs, they're completely open. With the questionable songs, it's nothing but testimonial. No opportunity to let the fans assess the evidence. It stinks.

Every logical piece of reasoning points to the same thing.

 

[AnnieRUOkay89]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Go read Riley's twitter yourself and you'll know everything. He started posting about the new album in September 2010.

www.twitter.com/teddyriley1

I'm not really familiar with Twitter, but you expect someone to go through all of those tweets to find the ones dated from September, or is there a faster way to yield the results we're looking for? As far as Teddy saying he did nothing to the vocals, I don't know how true that is. When Monster was being talked about, I recall Teddy saying the vocals were much slower, and they had to be processed and go through alterations in order to fit the faster tempo of the beat.

And everyone has been asking for the results of said audio analysis, since day one. So in a way, continuously asking for them and making up reasoning as to why they haven't been made public yet, is also "beating a dead horse". Why they haven't released them yet, who knows, but it would definitely benefit the debate.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Have you got evidence to suggest that Teddy has been paid for his services?

That's quite a naive question. Anyway wether the vocals are fakr ot not, it is normal to get paid for a job that you've done. No one is criticizing salary, but the vocals.

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I read through some of that and I definitely didn't feel any smarter or that I knew anything else about these tracks.... but I read posts back to early January and it was too much. Hundreds and hundreds going back that far! Guy tweets a lot. :lol:

 

[Jesta]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Eh, that was a pretty stupid question but in these type of circumstances, I'd imagine SONY/Estate wouldn't mind not paying Teddy for the work he did. Anyway, you're right. Here is not the place to get into that kind of debate.

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Still, I think Teddy heard an unfinished version of Breaking News and Monster and added that extra flavor to the songs. Hearing the early mix of Monster, which I have heard is the John McClain mix? It's not nearly as good...

 

[Alec]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Eh, that was a pretty stupid question but in these type of circumstances, I'd imagine SONY/Estate wouldn't mind not paying Teddy for the work he did. Anyway, you're right. Here is not the place to get into that kind of debate.

Why wouldn't they? He produced music for three songs, from scratch. He should be paid for the work he did.

He didn't mess up the vocals on two of them (Monster and BN) - this is what he received from Eddie Cascio.

 

[Jesta]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Really? In the demo version of "Monster", I rather like the little melody between the "Monster, He's a Monster. He's an Animal!" But it did sound pretty bare.

I still say that the staff should contact the Estate to clear this up. I want to know more about what happened with these songs, preferably outside of a courtroom.

 

[Alec]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Still, I think Teddy heard an unfinished version of Breaking News and Monster and added that extra flavor to the songs. Hearing the early mix of Monster, which I have heard is the John McClain mix? It's not nearly as good...

This is Teddy Riley's early version. On the song, you can even hear a lion's roar recorded at Neverland during his work with Michael.
Breaking News was only an a capella track. Riley built music around the already altered and processed vocals that he received. My guess is that for the other Cascio tracks, their story would be the same.

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

The production doesn't seem as hip as the album version, though, does it? Especially all those claps. It feels like Teddy polished it up a bit.

@Alec: Ah, I see. But may I ask, how do you know it was the acapella he heard? I thought he said he just heard an early version. Maybe I'm wrong. Is that why the acapella leaked?

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Eh, that was a pretty stupid question but in these type of circumstances, I'd imagine SONY/Estate wouldn't mind not paying Teddy for the work he did. Anyway, you're right. Here is not the place to get into that kind of debate.

Your question is not stupid, just a bit naive. Nothing negative.

What is stupid is Teddy's statement that he did it for nothing.