Michael - The Great Album Debate

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

you did see me listen to Pentum's comparison's and write my opinion about them right? I'm not labeling them "utter complete bullshit nonsense" and reject them automatically. I thank for them I listen to them and give an honest opinion. I'm not convinced and I explained "why" multiple times.

Ok, I can accept that people do not hear 100% equal vocals between the Cascio songs and Jason Malachi.

But, I cannot accept that the Cascio vocals ressemble more Michael's than Jason's! At least Pentum provided the comparisons. Where are the comparisons between Michael's vocals and the Cascio tracks vocals??? I am still waiting to hear them. I've been trying every day to compare those Cascio tracks with any Michael's song, but none of them ressembles as much as Jason's vocals do.

Now, Pentum is a young man doing this free of charge with cheap equipment and software and without as much experience as Teddy. Can you just imagine if instead of Pentum Teddy Riley comes with his state-of-the-art equipment in the real studio and starts copy-pasting and arranging vocals? You surely wouldn't hear the slightest difference between Jason and the Cascio tracks.

And what is your answer for snorts?

Let's just say that I have a reason to think that there's a reason that TMZ and Roger Friedman is so adamant that the vocals are MJ's. -_-

Roger Friedman to my knowledge never quoted his so called sources. Sometimes he was right, sometimes wrong. So, he's not a reference of credibility to me.

 

[MJultimatemusiclegen]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Ivy, is there a way that the staff can arrange for Eddie to come on here for a Q&A, also to provide evidence that it's MJ on these tracks?

Lol are you for real? go for it, please i urge you. Without sounding to smug, i'd put huge amounts of money that he wouldn't come on here. And if he did, he would be able to provide no evidence, but you go for it, and we'll listen.

 

[Jesta]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Well it all depends on whether the staff can actually do this, which is why I ask.

 

[MJultimatemusiclegen]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

We know MJ recorded all the time and if he was staying with the Cascio's for several months, he must have recorded something in their studio. So I don't get why they would submit fake songs to Sony if they had real MJ material.

This was also one of the smartest business men around, he knew how much he was worth, billions. He would never leave his vocals on anything, and just leave them with the cascio's, no matter how good friends he was with them, he'd been betrayed too many times. He either recorded something there, in a proper studio, not a bathroom, and took it away, or he didn't record anything at all.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

@ Jesta, can't you see that Eddie's evidence was "I was pushing the buttons" and "the shower". Get over it. If he didn't take the opportunity to do it at Oprah, why would he do it now on MJJ Community?

 

[MJultimatemusiclegen]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Well it all depends on whether the staff can actually do this, which is why I ask.

Sorry, i seemed a bit rude there, i appologise they can try i suppose.

 

[Pentum]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

We know MJ recorded all the time and if he was staying with the Cascio's for several months, he must have recorded something in their studio. So I don't get why they would submit fake songs to Sony if they had real MJ material.

Exactly. That would be completely stupid and unrealistic. Hence why Eddie should redeem himself and show evidence by coming on here, letting us listen to the original, unedited vocal tracks and then make a decision.

Maybe Michael took the stuff he did with him. That's a huge possibility.

 

[Graf]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I wonder why the guy who started it all doesn't clear it up himself. Eddie. Give us more than a shower excuse and pushing fucking buttons. If he was a real friend of Michael, he would do something about this. The fan base has clearly been split, would Michael want that? No. If you were Michael's good friend and "caused" this, would you try to fix it? Yes.

Yep. Exactly.. He divides the fan base over this issue then refuses to engage with the fans to clear up why the voice sounds so different..Whether someone believes it's Michael or not on these tracks..The fact that there is no effort being made to clear it up says a lot. The Cascio's appear to have no intention of clearing anything up. They know about the Controversy..that's why he was on the Oprah program, people keep asking him non stop about it.

 

[Jesta]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I don't think Eddie fully realizes the extent of the controversy, hence why he hasn't said much. This forum is a perfect platform to finally unload everything to do with those recording sessions.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I don't think Eddie fully realizes the extent of the controversy, hence why he hasn't said much. This forum is a perfect platform to finally unload everything to do with those recording sessions.

No need to come to this forum. He could make a website to clear it up.

 

[ivy]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Roger Friedman to my knowledge never quoted his so called sources. Sometimes he was right, sometimes wrong. So, he's not a reference of credibility to me.

I never mentioned or said that they are "credible". Go back and watch TMZ Live Chat videos and you'll see how certain Harvey Levin acts. All I'm saying is I have a reason to think they have a reason for being that "certain".


Several people here have contact with Cascio's one way or another. Frank is publicly available on social networks. As far as I can see Cascio's do not answer any question about anything related to them and Michael. It was like this before the release of the album and they still continue it.

 

[Anna]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Maybe Michael took the stuff he did with him. That's a huge possibility.

Yeah... he probably would have.

 

[Jesta]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Interesting... Given that Frank is writing a book, the Cascios should start accepting questions at least.

Bumper, you're right! Eddie should make his own website putting audio samples of the sessions online to "set the record straight".

 

[Pentum]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I'm still waiting for Jason to recreate his "Don't Walk Away" video.

"Hey, what's going on, this is Jason Malachi. Just to clear up all the doubt, these Cascio songs are my songs. Released on Michael's latest album in 2010". *Snaps fingers* "Everybody's wantin' the piece of..."

 

[mjjesamor]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Ivy, don't think you compare eddie's reluctance to talk about their personal relationship with his reluctance to talk about the tracks... No comparison.
As for harvey levin, he is scum. I wouldn't interpret his approval of the cascio tracks and his insistence that they are mj as a good thing. On the contrary. It sets alarm bells ringing for me.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I never mentioned or said that they are "credible". Go back and watch TMZ Live Chat videos and you'll see how certain Harvey Levin acts. All I'm saying is I have a reason to think they have a reason for being that "certain".

Which is? Enlighten us.

Several people here have contact with Cascio's one way or another.

And that proves what?

Frank is publicly available on social networks. As far as I can see Cascio's do not answer any question about anything related to them and Michael. It was like this before the release of the album and they still continue it.

Before the release of the album we have no clue if Michael wanted those tracks to be:

1) registered
2) sold to SONY
3) put on a CD

Furthermore, they even don't sound as Michael, hence all this mess.

Will I Am actually was right after all.

 

[Anna]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I'm still waiting for Jason to recreate his "Don't Walk Away" video.

"Hey, what's going on, this is Jason Malachi. Just to clear up all the doubt, these Cascio songs are my songs. Released on Michael's latest album in 2010". *Snaps fingers* "Everybody's wantin' the piece of..."

:lol:

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Here is a question that I have:

I actually never really read what the 3Ts said about the tracks before I listened to them.

One of my first reaction was that when I heard them, I instantly had impression to hear Jason Malachi.

I need to know, could someone answer me, did any of the 3Ts actually claim that Jason was hired to complete the tracks? Because if that was the case, that would be hellova coincidence to have exactly the same ears as 3Ts who I don't know personally.

 

[Jesta]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

No, I don't think they did make that claim.

 

[samhabib]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I don't know about any of you guys, but I'm friends with Dorian Holley on Facebook and I spoke to him about the authenticity, and he pretty much confirmed it was him, like he did in the statement. I know it's the real Dorian Holley because there are candid pictures updated of him every so often, mostly with pictures of his family and fans. Dorian has no financial benefit from lying as he has had no input in the album.

Dorian Holley works for Sony and is married to a partner of Howard Weitzmann. No benefit from lying? Don't make me laugh.

 

[ivy]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

And that proves what?

prove? people were asking if it's possible to contact them and I said several people have different levels of contact. It wasn't to prove anything.

Before the release of the album

you didn't understand me - before the release of the album they were (well at least Frank) was getting multiple questions about multiple different topics and they weren't responding to any. They continue to not to respond to anything about any subject today.

Ivy, don't think you compare eddie's reluctance to talk about their personal relationship with his reluctance to talk about the tracks... No comparison.

why couldn't I? Recently people bombarded Frank about his book deal too and he didn't say a single word. Perhaps they are a family that choses the high road of keeping silent regardless of the abuse they get?

Edit: Actually Frank publicly responded to one thing that Taryll said by saying "We never betrayed Michael. On the contrary, we always stood by him. Michael is part of our family, we will always love him!"

 

[Jesta]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

So what would Bruce Swedien get out of lying, then?

I think it's time where the staff HAS to get into contact with the Estate and get something to end this!

 

[MJultimatemusiclegen]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

So what would Bruce Swedien get out of lying, then?

I think it's time where the staff HAS to get into contact with the Estate and get something to end this!

The money he claimed when he said he would never work with Michael Jackson again

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

So what would Bruce Swedien get out of lying, then?

I think it's time where the staff HAS to get into contact with the Estate and get something to end this!

What are fans' interests to claim that the vocals are fake???

 

[ivy]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Here is a question that I have:

I actually never really read what the 3Ts said about the tracks before I listened to them.

One of my first reaction was that when I heard them, I instantly had impression to hear Jason Malachi.

I need to know, could someone answer me, did any of the 3Ts actually claim that Jason was hired to complete the tracks? Because if that was the case, that would be hellova coincidence to have exactly the same ears as 3Ts who I don't know personally.

No, I don't think they did make that claim.

TJ said Jason but it was after people tweeted him Jason's name and he agreed with them. It's obvious from his tweet.

Sounds like Jason Malachi to me too. The vibrato is a dead give away that it's not my uncle. Fans, I am so sorry you were put through this.

 

[mjjesamor]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Again Ivy Frank's book is a completely different scenario. It has not been released yet..that is why he is not saying much.
The album has already been released....four months now. Doubts remain. People are hurt. People are angry. People are frustrated. The fans are divided. Still Eddie keeps silent. No comparison. His silence speaks volumes and they are not good.

 

[Pentum]

Here is a question that I have:

I actually never really read what the 3Ts said about the tracks before I listened to them.

One of my first reaction was that when I heard them, I instantly had impression to hear Jason Malachi.

I need to know, could someone answer me, did any of the 3Ts actually claim that Jason was hired to complete the tracks? Because if that was the case, that would be hellova coincidence to have exactly the same ears as 3Ts who I don't know personally.

"I remember when Teddy and I were at Encore listening to Keep Your Head Up. We both knew it wasn't my Uncle."
"Out of the 10 songs listed, only 7 of them are Michael Jackson."
"I've always admired the talent of Teddy Riley, but after hearing him lie on Oprah I am terribly disappointed."

— Taryll Jackson


"Some of the songs are him, and some aren't. I would bet my life on that."
"And as to the vocal authenticators, they work for pay. And I wasn't there when they did their analysis."
"Like I said, Sony and the executors have 250 million reasons to influence the public."

— Randy Jackson

"I have read the statement from the MJ estate and I have to say that it's just more bullshit! I was in that room, and the majority of the people mentioned did NOT agree that it was MJ! Some felt it sounded like him but all agree that there was nothing there that was consistent with any MJ habits like finger snaps, headphone bleeding, foot stomping or just simple things like his voice asking for another take. Both Dr. Freeze and Teddy Riley sat with Taryll Jackson and myself and stated that they felt what we felt. As for the specialists that were brought in, I don't think anyone from the actual Jackson family got any direct confirmation that made them feel any different then what they have felt all along."

— Cory Rooney, producer

 

[Jesta]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

@Bumper, not to speak for you, but I'd imagine the fans in your position are concerned about Michael's legacy and that these tracks could harm it.

@MJUltimateMusicLegen, could you explain that a bit more, please?

 

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"I remember when Teddy and I were at Encore listening to Keep Your Head Up. We both knew it wasn't my Uncle."
"Out of the 10 songs listed, only 7 of them are Michael Jackson."
"I've always admired the talent of Teddy Riley, but after hearing him lie on Oprah I am terribly disappointed."

— Taryll Jackson


"Some of the songs are him, and some aren't. I would bet my life on that."
"And as to the vocal authenticators, they work for pay. And I wasn't there when they did their analysis."
"Like I said, Sony and the executors have 250 million reasons to influence the public."

— Randy Jackson

"I have read the statement from the MJ estate and I have to say that it's just more bullshit! I was in that room, and the majority of the people mentioned did NOT agree that it was MJ! Some felt it sounded like him but all agree that there was nothing there that was consistent with any MJ habits like finger snaps, headphone bleeding, foot stomping or just simple things like his voice asking for another take. Both Dr. Freeze and Teddy Riley sat with Taryll Jackson and myself and stated that they felt what we felt. As for the specialists that were brought in, I don't think anyone from the actual Jackson family got any direct confirmation that made them feel any different then what they have felt all along."

— Cory Rooney, producer

Thanks Pentum.

This plus 9/10 fans have been ignored all along.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

@Bumper, not to speak for you, but I'd imagine the fans in your position are concerned about Michael's legacy and that these tracks could harm it.

@MJUltimateMusicLegen, could you explain that a bit more, please?

No Jesta, set aside legacy and all the interest, the vocals do not sound Michael. THAT is the 1st REACTION: confusion, disgust, doubt, ...

After that 1st REACTION, it is natural that we are worried about the legacy.