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Michael - The Great Album Debate

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Hey.
Back from lovely late lunch with 6 friends. Played them pentum's keep you head up comparison and shock horror not one of them distinguished two different voices. Only two of them thought it sounded like a michael jackson song and until i told them all but one thought it was one song! One of them suspected it was two songs mixed coz the lyrics didn't make sense.
Ivy. I stand by my interpretation of the copyright issue. I think it makes much more sense than yours.
 
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Worldwide said:
Don't let the doubters get to you, let them behave like children, pasting pictures trying to be funny lmao.

Keep your head up to the sky like me.
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Wow!I missed a lot of things.Weren't you contesting the vocals some days ago?

I'm not being ironic/rude,I just want to know what determined you to become a believer.(I also enjoy the Cascio tracks a lot) :cheers:
 
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ivy said:
Correction : it also shows that without adding logic to the mix (as I separated them) I said "Some parts sound like Michael some don't." so I heard Michael all along. and that has been my position since the beginning.

I mentioned on this thread that I was "torn" multiple times due to the "additional vocals" and didn't know what to make of them - legit or imposter- and that after information came out I concluded them to be legit.

My logic tell me it's unlikely that they'll risk so much with such a fraud, even without logic my ears heard Michael. (find my post that says when I listened to acapella it sounded more like Michael)

as far as my ears go as I said in my very last post I don't claim superiority and perfection (I never do in any subject) but I'm not deaf either.

and still put me aside, how about other people with established musical ears?
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I did not single you out. I actually read the reaction of the fans just after listening to the premiere of BN.

Your post was there too, so I was just making the point that you yourself claimed not to have a musical ear, yet we are debating the authencity of the vocals. So I actually can deduce that despite the fact that you are minimizing your ear musicality, I still am taking the time to read your arguments and answer them.

But, obviously, you cling to what sounds legal rather than to what the majority of the fans hear -fake vocals. No offense, but I call that stubborness and certainly not open to consider that the vocals are fake (despite Pentum's huge efforts and audio comparisons).

For me -just like the Estate confirmed in their report- the fans are taken seriously. 9/10 were shocked by the vocals and I re-posted it here to prove it. Contrary to the lies in the Estate report regarding fans opinions, I really do take them seriously.

I even provided a site where thousands of fans signed a petition (+/- 7.000)! Despite that not only are they not taken seriously neither by you nor by the Estate, but the so called truth about the tracks never came out.
 
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Pentum said:
Here it is. Use good speakers or good headphones. Not your laptop speakers or your Koss Porta Pro headphones. Listen carefully:

http://soundcloud.com/pentum/jasons-delicious-snorts

I know it doesn't prove that much, but it proves that Jason in fact did the same thing in at least two of his songs. I've never heard Michael do anything like that and I've listened to all available a cappellas 1000 times. Coincidence that it happened in a questionable song where he sounds like Jason and at least 90% of the fans said was fake when it premiered? I think not.
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Nice job Pentum. We can clearly hear those snorts. I honestly thought that they were only on BN and that it was a best take they had. But to hear them in different songs it's a bit too much.
 
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Worldwide said:
Don't let the doubters get to you, let them behave like children, pasting pictures trying to be funny lmao.

Keep your head up to the sky like me.
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For you who have lost your child's behavior:

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Anna said:
Apart from the doubts with the vocals, the snort in BN did stick out to me, but I thought, "Well they're just demo vocals, unfinished. And maybe he had a cold or something."

I've gone back and forth so many times. At one point I actually got to a stage where I said to myself, "If it were really Michael there would be no doubts whatsoever. Because I can instantly recognise Michael's voice."
But then I convinced myself that it would be ridiculous to use JM tracks on an MJ album. For Sony to take such a risk. For The Estate to give the okay.

But we've heard MJ's voice do so many things over the years, but never not sounding like him. Until the Cascio tracks emerged.

Argh! I don't know what to think anymore.
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You see, that's the thing. Going back and forth, trying to find out why, just why he sounds so different. Why he sounds like Malachi.

Michael sounds like Michael in bad quality recordings as we've heard hundreds of times. Michael sounds like Michael when Melodyned as we've heard the three heavily Melodyned YRMW, SIM and Billie Jean remixes.

What makes no sense is why his voice is so different in these particularly songs. Why so, so much doubt, so much controversity. Think about it.

Anyway, I hope TMZ does something with the stuff I gave them. Not sure they really care that much. Let's wait and see.
 
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I wish someone would just clear this whole thing up. It's caused such a big division in the fan base. It's not right.
 
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Anna said:
I wish someone would just clear this whole thing up. It's caused such a big division in the fan base. It's not right.
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According to Smooth Criminal's sources before the album came out, SONY hesitated before acquiring the Cascio tracks. Apparently SONY offered the biggest amount of money (compared to other interested commpanies) and the reason why they actually chose to buy them was because they were the most complete among the ones they possessed. The tracklist had been done before they acquired the Cascio tracks. When they got the Cascio tracks, they excluded some songs and included the Cascio ones instead.
 
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Well, from a business point, that makes sense. Why use sub-standard ones when you could use complete ones. Besides $5million doesn't seem like THAT much when there are 12 COMPLETE MJ songs!
 
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Jesta said:
Well, from a business point, that makes sense. Why use sub-standard ones when you could use complete ones. Besides $5million doesn't seem like THAT much when there are 12 COMPLETE MJ songs!
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No one is contesting business. Business is business. The issue here is that the business has been done over Michael's dead body despite the triggered controversy that had started among those who were present in the studio when they heard the tracks for the first time and afterwards among the fans when BN was streamed to test us.
 
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Anna said:
I wish someone would just clear this whole thing up. It's caused such a big division in the fan base. It's not right.
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I wonder why the guy who started it all doesn't clear it up himself. Eddie. Give us more than a shower excuse and pushing fucking buttons. If he was a real friend of Michael, he would do something about this. The fan base has clearly been split, would Michael want that? No. If you were Michael's good friend and "caused" this, would you try to fix it? Yes.
 
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Jesta said:
Well, from a business point, that makes sense. Why use sub-standard ones when you could use complete ones. Besides $5million doesn't seem like THAT much when there are 12 COMPLETE MJ songs!
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Well the songs ARE NOT complete.That's the whole problem.The songs have major copy paste all through them.I'll make tomorrow a copy-paste lyrics of the songs.
 
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Well think of it this way, there was no way that these tracks would be left out because they have had COMPLETELY new musical accompaniment created for them! These songs have received far more treatment than the other songs, they probably lost out on a lot of money, so I doubt it even crossed their minds to not release them.

Plus, I'd imagine they'd be inclined to believe people like Bruce Swedien and Dorian Holley over the fans because of their personal experiences with Michael.

Here's the thing, it's not impossible to contact Eddie. I'm sure someone on here has his information. I say that he appears on this board to give a Q&A and be prepared to surrender info like photos, the original tracks and between-track conversations.
 
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Pentum said:
I wonder why the guy who started it all doesn't clear it up himself. Eddie. Give us more than a shower excuse and pushing fucking buttons. If he was a real friend of Michael, he would do something about this. The fan base has clearly been split, would Michael want that? No. If you were Michael's good friend and "caused" this, would you try to fix it? Yes.
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You're right... It's like he doesn't even care.
 
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I've been thinking all the possible ways, and when all has been said and done, the vocals still don't sound Michael.
 
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Anna said:
You're right... It's like he doesn't even care.
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You know... I had what I had and got the job done.

- Eddie Cascio.
 
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Bumper, what if Eddie does come on here, provides the original, echo-filled, unpolished master of the three songs along with between-track conversations with Michael? Would you believe it's him on the tracks?
 
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Dorian said:
Wow!I missed a lot of things.Weren't you contesting the vocals some days ago?

I'm not being ironic/rude,I just want to know what determined you to become a believer.(I also enjoy the Cascio tracks a lot) :cheers:
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I've always been a believer, always will be, until I'm proven wrong, at which point I will beg for mercy from the doubters but that won't happen =)
 
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Jesta said:
Bumper, what if Eddie does come on here, provides the original, echo-filled, unpolished master of the three songs along with between-track conversations with Michael? Would you believe it's him on the tracks?
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yes, if he's talking specifically about the tracks, and his speaking voice sounds like him. But it'l never happen, because Eddie has no such thing, so it's a pointless thing to say.
 
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Jesta said:
Bumper, what if Eddie does come on here, provides the original, echo-filled, unpolished master of the three songs along with between-track conversations with Michael? Would you believe it's him on the tracks?
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I would be open to believe it if there is a worktape as Roger Friedman claimed it existed. But still, I wouldn't be at ease as long as the audilogists don't compare Jason's vocals to the Cascio tracks and explain how come that Jason's snorts appear on the Cascio tracks and how come that the vocals ressembles more to Jason's than to Michael's.
 
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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
I've been thinking all the possible ways, and when all has been said and done, the vocals still don't sound Michael.
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That's exactly it....It's all been beaten to death a trillion times already....No matter what...The vocals are just bogus...I'm ready to tear my hair out because it's THERE right THERE...I just want the truth to come out...
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Then I say that the staff invites Eddie to come on here with audio for us to listen to, in order to prove his case.
 
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MJ talking about the track doesn't prove it's him on it. It only proves he knew about the track.
 
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Arklove said:
That's exactly it....It's all been beaten to death a trillion times already....No matter what...The vocals are just bogus...I'm ready to tear my hair out because it's THERE right THERE...I just want the truth to come out...
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I feel as if you are :blowup:

Calm down, I can make you feel alright :naughty:
 
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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
No offense, but I call that stubborness and certainly not open to consider that the vocals are fake (despite Pentum's huge efforts and audio comparisons).
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you did see me listen to Pentum's comparison's and write my opinion about them right? I'm not labeling them "utter complete bullshit nonsense" and reject them automatically. I thank for them I listen to them and give an honest opinion. I'm not convinced and I explained "why" multiple times.

Pentum said:
Anyway, I hope TMZ does something with the stuff I gave them. Not sure they really care that much. Let's wait and see.
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Let's just say that I have a reason to think that there's a reason that TMZ and Roger Friedman is so adamant that the vocals are MJ's. -_-
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Ivy, is there a way that the staff can arrange for Eddie to come on here for a Q&A, also to provide evidence that it's MJ on these tracks?
 
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Thing is, if you've never heard about Jason or his voice, there is a bigger chance the person right next to you will assume the voice is Michael's voice. Imagine if Jason was huge and popular, being on MTV, etc. So many more people would've realised it's actually Jason on those three songs.


Jesta said:
Ivy, is there a way that the staff can arrange for Eddie to come on here for a Q&A, also to provide evidence that it's MJ on these tracks?
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Jesta, he was on Oprah on television. He had his chance, if he actually have something, he would've showed it there. Instead, he showed a picture of the home studio (LOL) and said".... Tats mikel jackson!"
 
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We know MJ recorded all the time and if he was staying with the Cascio's for several months, he must have recorded something in their studio. So I don't get why they would submit fake songs to Sony if they had real MJ material.
 
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Exactly. That would be completely stupid and unrealistic. Hence why Eddie should redeem himself and show evidence by coming on here, letting us listen to the original, unedited vocal tracks and then make a decision.
 
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