Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)
Bias. Have you been reading this thread? How can you claim that there's no bias when opposing views are labelled as "excuses" and "brain washing"? A person without a bias would be able to look to the situation in a neutral format and accept all the possibilities. The minute you reject the possibility of an alternative then you have bias.
and each one of us here is biased on this subject.
are michael jackson fans bad judges of everything having to do with michael jackson because we're "emotionally involved"? or just his music?
depends. aren't there some fans who think Michael is perfect and can do no mistakes?
we bad judges of his innocence? his song-writing ability? some things are just facts. not judgment calls. if you research long enough, you find the truth. research, in this case, is listening.
of course somethings are facts - he's proven innocent in a court of law, he has the biggest selling album etc. But there are no facts in the vocals debate. Okay your ears hear something and there are other people's ears that hear something else. so personal listening isn't factual.
This "psychological, emotionally, planted seeds, messed up heads" thing is just bullcrap all along, Ivy.
you are rejecting a valid alternative. Think like this - first of all do not look it from personal point of view - this isn't about you. (in other words I'm not saying that you are doing this)
and then tell me this - is it possible for someone to be a huge Taryll fan/supporter and repeat what he's saying simply because they trust him? also similarly isn't it possible for someone else who happens to hate Taryll to reject something simply because he said so?
You know the answer will be "yes" and both are examples of bias. and It's in us - everyone - in different levels.
It affects me 0% when judging if it's Michael Jackson's voice or not on tracks I have analyzed a bunch of times.
okay here's the question - have you analyzed other impostors or compared or tried to find parts that sound exactly like Michael ?
You just focused on Jason and left other alternatives (other impostors and Michael) - that's bias.
If you want to dismiss fans' opinions based on emotional involvement then you're basically saying that no fan has the credibility to identify Michael Jackson's voice, regardless of whether they think the vocals are genuine or not. I would have to disagree.
Yep - no one. That includes me as well.
You really need to have a person who could put their bias aside but honestly I'm not seeing that person in this thread.
I did as I said "we all", that includes me. And you are one of the people with the highest levels of bias because you wouldn't even listen to alternative theories yet alone evaluate them and acknowledge their "possibility". so sorry but I will believe Michael to be alive before I can even consider you forming a "neutral non biased" opinion in this subject.
