Michael Jackson v. Wade Robson, a new trial to be held

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Less than 24 hours for the appellate court to deny a rehearing. Did they even read it?
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APPEALS UPDATE: Petition for rehearing denied.In less than 24 hours the same appeals court has already denied the estate's petition for rehearing.Note that this was an entirely expected outcome of this motion, and still helps set the stage for a petition to the supreme court. twitter.com/MJJRepository/…

I just wanna go to California and protest against those brain dead idiot judges! Fk them for this!!!

 

[TAW1979]

Tom's involvement in this case is a major plus for the estate.

 

[8701girl]

this really feels like 2005

 

[Mister_Jay_Tee]

this really feels like 2005

Honest question, were you even around for 2005?

 

[8701girl]

Honest question, were you even around for 2005?

um yes i waS im 39 years old i saw evertything that happened in 2005

 

[wonderouzmj]

um yes i waS im 39 years old i saw evertything that happened in 2005

Really

 

[mjfanboy27]

Great that Tom is back, he will dismantle Wade and James with lying inconsistencies

 

[8701girl]

Really

yeh

 

[xscape guy 2003]

Seeing Tom on the case it means that he will dissect everyone of inconsistencies that those two and possibly Reed etc will say.

Mj Estate is really serious about this and I know Michael will be proud Tom is now fighting for his legacy!

BTW I was there the first and second trial, I will be there for this one too!

 

[xscape guy 2003]

8701 gurl you joined us in 2007 Mister Jay tee you did not till 2022. Was you around in 2005?

I was there in 1993 and that was the only time I doubted Michael when he supposedly! "Paid the boy off" . I later learned Michael wanted to fight tooth and nail in a court of law but his companies had insurance that would allow them to settle anything which would discredit their money making machine! They did not care that Michael would have this time and time again if he did not fight it properly. This I hope gets shouted from the rooftops! Yes he was stupid, but he was nieve and innocent when it come to people! He learnt the hard way and it killed him! Literally!

 

[zinniabooklover]

8701 gurl you joined us in 2007 Mister Jay tee you did not till 2022. Was you around in 2005?

I was there in 1993 and that was the only time I doubted Michael when he supposedly! "Paid the boy off" . I later learned Michael wanted to fight tooth and nail in a court of law but his companies had insurance that would allow them to settle anything which would discredit their money making machine! They did not care that Michael would have this time and time again if he did not fight it properly.

Well, not quite. There was the fact that, back then, a civil case could take place before a criminal case and that would have created massive difficulties for Michael's legal team.

Typically, a criminal case takes place and then, let's assume the plaintiff (person bringing the case) wins. So then they can bring a civil case against the other person and can sue them for compensation. Bc they won the criminal case they will almost definitely win the civil case, also. But in the US in 1993 / 1994 it was possible to bring a civil case before the criminal case. I believe at the time there was legislation in place that allowed this to happen in cases involving a minor. That would have benefitted the Chandlers and been very difficult for Michael and his team. So that was one reason the settlement happened.

This I hope gets shouted from the rooftops! Yes he was stupid,

I don't think he was. He had a legal team to advise him. He's a pop star, he's not required to be an expert in law and he's not clairvoyant. He can't see how many problems this will cause him in the future. I've seen Tom Mesereau state that Michael was badly advised and that they should have gone to court but I have also seen him say, in a different interview, that the advice (to settle) made sense at the time.

but he was nieve and innocent when it come to people!

Up to a point, yes, but he was also up against a legal system that was more beneficial to the Chandlers than it was to him.

 

[8701girl]

8701 gurl you joined us in 2007 Mister Jay tee you did not till 2022. Was you around in 2005?

I was there in 1993 and that was the only time I doubted Michael when he supposedly! "Paid the boy off" . I later learned Michael wanted to fight tooth and nail in a court of law but his companies had insurance that would allow them to settle anything which would discredit their money making machine! They did not care that Michael would have this time and time again if he did not fight it properly. This I hope gets shouted from the rooftops! Yes he was stupid, but he was nieve and innocent when it come to people! He learnt the hard way and it killed him! Literally!

yes i joined in 2007 but i saw everything that happened with the trial in 2005 on tv

 

[8701girl]

Well, not quite. There was the fact that, back then, a civil case could take place before a criminal case and that would have created massive difficulties for Michael's legal team.

Typically, a criminal case takes place and then, let's assume the plaintiff (person bringing the case) wins. So then they can bring a civil case against the other person and can sue them for compensation. Bc they won the criminal case they will almost definitely win the civil case, also. But in the US in 1993 / 1994 it was possible to bring a civil case before the criminal case. I believe at the time there was legislation in place that allowed this to happen in cases involving a minor. That would have benefitted the Chandlers and been very difficult for Michael and his team. So that was one reason the settlement happened.


I don't think he was. He had a legal team to advise him. He's a pop star, he's not required to be an expert in law and he's not clairvoyant. He can't see how many problems this will cause him in the future. I've seen Tom Mesereau state that Michael was badly advised and that they should have gone to court but I have also seen him say, in a different interview, that the advice (to settle) made sense at the time.


Up to a point, yes, but he was also up against a legal system that was more beneficial to the Chandlers than it was to him.

so like had the arvizos won the 2005 trial they still couldve gone for the money after mike got convicted?

 

[wendijane]

I was thinking

this really feels like 2005

this last night . Bit sick but now Tom seems to be with us all. ..I feel better about any outcome.

 

[wendijane]

Seeing Tom on the case it means that he will dissect everyone of inconsistencies

Yeah This.

BTW I was there the first and second trial, I will be there for this one too!

Also this.

 

[Mr. Make Believe]

Seeing Tom on the case it means that he will dissect everyone of inconsistencies that those two and possibly Reed etc will say.

Mj Estate is really serious about this and I know Michael will be proud Tom is now fighting for his legacy!

BTW I was there the first and second trial, I will be there for this one too!

Same here, although I understand the emotions at this moment and I respect that and don't want to trivialize these feelings by any means, for me personally 1993 was the worst by far and this time doesn't even come close to 2005.

1993 was thunderstruck in clear skies. No fan was prepared and no one knew any facts to defend Michael so back then there actually was the risk of hurting a possible true victim. As an individual I didn't believe Michael was capable of doing these kind of things but that was based on emotions. Nothing rational about that. There had to be and there were doubts, simply because you couldn't know what did or didn't happen. Personally I wasn't all that happy with the sleepovers even if they were innocent.

In 2005 although it was obvious that the Arvizo's were parasites and the allegations were bullshit, still it was a real criminal trial with multiple counts and a jury (never really understood that system in general). So there was a risk for a conviction even if it was all based on lies. Now we know the prosecution never should have taken the case to trial, but back then you couldn't but ask the question, what the hell do they have for circumstantial evidence that they feel comfortable to move forward. It was scary. It turned out great, although it permanently hurt Michael. Il the verdict should have stuck forever. In a ideal world it should have been the end of it. Unfortunately our world sucks.

Nowadays we have the most proven untrustworthy "victims" ever that are obviously just looking for a payday. The new case isn't even about whether the abuse happened. It won't be proven and it won't be part of the final ruling as a proven fact. If the trial is lost, which I highly doubt will happen, it will look bad. But it really won't change anything. As mentioned in my earlier post: https://www.mjjcommunity.com/thread...was-inaccurate-and-latoya.202307/post-4607933
it is as close as one can get to a proven negative. It's so unlikely that any wrongdoing happened that any real discussion on this matter will end in our favour based on proven facts and the lack of any victim with anything close to a believable story.
I studied the case thoroughly, and anyone I talk to that somewhat believes the accusations is at least in real doubt after I plead my case. We didn't have the files, facts, contradictions and everything that is wrong with the accusers very well documented, back then. We have it now. Study it and use it. Those who are not open for an honest discussion based on facts are either ignorant, trolls or lack the intelligence to understand what's going on. It's the kind of person that is easy to influence with emotions, highly emotional and lacks the possibility to rationalize. It's the kind of person that actually eats the bullshit called LN without at least questioning the truth and the lack of moral.

Sure, again and again it hits us like a ton of bricks. But I honestly believe and experience that the amount of people who truly believe the accusations and have no doubt is a relatively small group. We're still here, MJJ is still "here'" and we will stay. Forever.

 

[8701girl]

In 2005 although it was obvious that the Arvizo's were parasites and the allegations were bullshit, still it was a real criminal trial with multiple counts and a jury (never really understood that system in general). So there was a risk for a conviction even if it was all based on lies. Now we know the prosecution never should have taken the case to trial, but back then you couldn't but ask the question, what the hell do they have for circumstantial evidence that they feel comfortable to move forward. It was scary. It turned out great, although it permanently hurt Michael. Il the verdict should have stuck forever. In a ideal world it should have been the end of it. Unfortunately our world sucks.

In 2003 when mj was first arrested i was angry at michael for letting himself get into that situation again cuz i was hoping he learned from 1993

 

[Mr. Make Believe]

so like had the arvizos won the 2005 trial they still couldve gone for the money after mike got convicted?

For sure! That was the whole plan probably. It was also the career move for TS. Unfortunately in the US how successful the career of a public prosecutor is, is partially based on how many big cases he/she won. In my opinion that's a big problem with the US legal system. It drove TS way past moral boundaries.

 

[8701girl]

For sure! That was the whole plan probably. It was also the career move for TS. Unfortunately in the US how successful the career of a public prosecutor is, is partially based on how many big cares he/she won. In my opinion that's a big problem with the US legal system. It drove TS way past moral boundaries.

TS was a arrgoant mofo

 

[Mr. Make Believe]

In 2003 when mj was first arrested i was angry at michael for letting himself get into that situation again cuz i was hoping he learned from 1993

Exactly, I felt the same. Although it doesn't work that way in the public eye, I also believed it was very strong to stick to it since he wasn't doing anything wrong. I wish he didn't, but still. I also believe that for Michael a life without the children would have been to painful for him.

 

[wendijane]

Same here, although I understand the emotions at this moment and I respect that and don't want to trivialize these feelings by any means, for me personally 1993 was the worst by far and this time doesn't even come close to 2005.

1993 was thunderstruck in clear skies. No fan was prepared and no one knew any facts to defend Michael so back then there actually was the risk of hurting a possible true victim. As an individual I didn't believe Michael was capable of doing these kind of things but that was based on emotions. Nothing rational about that. There had to be and there were doubts, simply because you couldn't know what did or didn't happen. Personally I wasn't all that happy with the sleepovers even if they were innocent.

In 2005 although it was obvious that the Arvizo's were parasites and the allegations were bullshit, still it was a real criminal trial with multiple counts and a jury (never really understood that system in general). So there was a risk for a conviction even if it was all based on lies. Now we know the prosecution never should have taken the case to trial, but back then you couldn't but ask the question, what the hell do they have for circumstantial evidence that they feel comfortable to move forward. It was scary. It turned out great, although it permanently hurt Michael. Il the verdict should have stuck forever. In a ideal world it should have been the end of it. Unfortunately our world sucks.

Nowadays we have the most proven untrustworthy "victims" ever that are obviously just looking for a payday. The new case isn't even about whether the abuse happened. It won't be proven and it won't be part of the final ruling as a proven fact. If the trial is lost, which I highly doubt will happen, it will look bad. But it really won't change anything. As mentioned in my earlier post: Buthttps://www.mjjcommunity.com/threads/is-there-a-good-source-video-proving-jcs-description-was-inaccurate-and-latoya.202307/post-4607933
it is as close as one can get to a proven negative. It's so unlikely that any wrongdoing happened that any real discussion on this matter will end in our favour based on proven facts and the lack of any victim with anything close to a believable story.
I studied the case thoroughly, and anyone I talk to that somewhat believes the accusations is at least in real doubt after I plead my case. We didn't have the files, facts, contradictions and everything that is wrong with the accusers very well documented, back then. We have it now. Study it and use it. Those who are not open for an honest discussion based on facts are either ignorant, trolls or lack the intelligence to understand what's going on. It's the kind of person that is easy to influence with emotions, highly emotional and lacks the possibility to rationalize. It's the kind of person that actually eats the bullshit called LN without at least questioning the truth and the lack of moral.

Sure, again and again it hits us like a ton of bricks. But I honestly believe and experience that the amount of people who truly believe the accusations and have no doubt is a relatively small group. We're still here, MJJ is still "here'" and we will stay. Forever.

Also we are more equipped . We know what to expect [more or less] Nothing can shock us in that respect . If we took it in 1993 most of us were babies then , .... and that was so dirty , ..that stung. I won't ever forgive Sneddon , He shot down half my childhood.innocence , He broke my happiness because the Dangerous tour & all the fun just stopped. M was a dirty word. [but i 'loved' him harder] everything was in ? and ruins.
I was coming up for three years- a fan.
He put a huge ? /target above my guys head. And it was such a dark time to support /love M.

And then it started again when we [most of us] were adults. Kind of annoying that one. I got traumatised by the Sky / Fox weather channel music... breaks , waiting for any 'updates'. setting my clock zone for 4 ;30 ish cos that was when he would arrive at S.M court and fretting when he did not show up ...then turned up in his pj's
Frustrating, but again got through. Tom was with us this time. [Much respect]

I was Hating the world a bit more but really seeing how dark it is , and how the world works. And now ...again. When we are fully grown. And we are much more informed and interactive. Only thing is. He is not here. Well i think we can do it without too much tears because we have been there more than once, and i think we know by now. or have a vast experience on how a typical criminal mindset like WR can be.
I consider myself a fairly strong person & i believe that this trail .... torture ..since it has been on and off for three decades... has had somathing to do with that , and indeed made me a stronger person within. But i would like the closure of it.

My sincere thoughts are : He won't win over TM. Mmm... imagine the cross examination, And TM surefire questions to WR & team . It will most probably be all over YT this time... . That's an instant win just thinking about how it might play out this time.
We can see just on his Wikipedia page what a beast he is. Look at all those clients. WR won't know what has hit him.

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/459507968241717956/

Ok I am ready when you are Mr Mesereau. Sir.

 

[8701girl]

Exactly, I felt the same. Although it doesn't work that way in the public eye, I also believed it was very strong to stick to it since he wasn't doing anything wrong. I wish he didn't, but still. I also believe that for Michael a life without the children would have been to painful for him.

He loved children innocently but didnt realize how dangerous doing that was

 

[8701girl]

Also we are more equipped . We know what to expect [more or less] Nothing can shock us in that respect . If we took it in 1993 most of us were babies then , .... and that was so dirty , ..that stung. I won't ever forgive Sneddon , He shot down half my childhood.innocence , He broke my happiness because the Dangerous tour & all the fun just stopped. M was a dirty word. [but i 'loved' him harder] everything was in ? and ruins.
I was coming up for three years- a fan.
He put a huge ? /target above my guys head. And it was such a dark time to support /love M.

And then it started again when we [most of us] were adults. Kind of annoying that one. I got traumatised by the Sky / Fox weather channel music... breaks , waiting for any 'updates'. setting my clock zone for 4 ;30 ish cos that was when he would arrive at S.M court and fretting when he did not show up ...then turned up in his pj's
Frustrating, but again got through. Tom was with us this time. [Much respect]

I was Hating the world a bit more but really seeing how dark it is , and how the world works. And now ...again. When we are fully grown. And we are much more informed and interactive. Only thing is. He is not here. Well i think we can do it without too much tears because we have been there more than once, and i think we know by now. or have a vast experience on how a typical criminal mindset like WR can be.
I consider myself a fairly strong person & i believe that this trail .... torture ..since it has been on and off for three decades... has had somathing to do with that , and indeed made me a stronger person within. But i would like the closure of it.

My sincere thoughts are : He won't win over TM. Mmm... imagine the cross examination, And TM surefire questions to WR & team . It will most probably be all over YT this time... . That's an instant win just thinking about how it might play out this time.
We can see just on his Wikipedia page what a beast he is. Look at all those clients. WR won't know what has hit him.

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/459507968241717956/

Ok I am ready when you are Mr Mesereau. Sir.

I think i was 9 years old and understood that mike did something he shouldnt have done but didnt understand fully the circumstance of it

 

[wendijane]

Same here, although I understand the emotions at this moment and I respect that and don't want to trivialize these feelings by any means, for me personally 1993 was the worst by far and this time doesn't even come close to 2005.

This,

1993 was thunderstruck in clear skies.

That.

No fan was prepared.

Oh my god. This.

and no one knew any facts to defend Michael so back then there actually was the risk of hurting a possible true victim.

All of this. I remember my first day at College. All those headlines. The joy of that previous summer was a distant memory. It was like a cruel taunting, biting, seering punishment. So cruel.

In a ideal world it should have been the end of it. Unfortunately our world sucks.

This.

 

[8701girl]

You know despite 1993 being so dreadful i do wish i could relive those times again cuz mj was still here

 

[wendijane]

You know despite 1993 being so dreadful i do wish i could relive those times again cuz mj was still here

Just imagine though if it was September 1993 now , With the internet and me too movement. Social media and Lack of knowledge , we would be babies.
Place would be shut down.

@Agonum i'd have got in the ring - what about you ?[ [i'm being brutally honest babe ]

 

[Mr. Make Believe]

Well said and I felt/feel the same. We were literally growing up and in that sense we learned too fast that the world isn't the place we hoped for and we were told. We matured quickly, but it also prepared us and gave us sense of realism.

 

[8701girl]

Well said and I felt/feel the same. We were literally growing up and in that sense we learned too fast that the world isn't the place we hoped for and we were told. We matured quickly, but it also prepared us and gave us sense of realism.

Yep learned bout sex way too early

 

[8701girl]

Just imagine though if it was September 1993 now , With the internet and me too movement. Social media and Lack of knowledge , we would be babies.
Place would be shut down.

@Agonum i'd have got in the ring - what about you ?[ [i'm being brutally honest babe ]

if the technology was like it is now in 1993 it would be more hell

 

[Blues_Away2023]

Just imagine though if it was September 1993 now , With the internet and me too movement. Social media and Lack of knowledge , we would be babies.
Place would be shut down.

@Agonum i'd have got in the ring - what about you ?[ [i'm being brutally honest babe ]

If 93 never happened, I believe MJ would still be with us today. It changed everything.

It ruined his career, not in terms of sales etc but he has been tarnished ever since with the p word. MJ will always be associated with those vile things.

I truly believe he is innocent, how could a man gift so many millions to charity and release global anthems about healing the world, yet have this incredibly dirty vile illegal obsession with children behind closed doors. It doesn't make sense to me.

He suffered terribly throughout his life, I bet he was always worried about what people thought of him and everyone knowing what he was accused of. It destroyed him. That's why he's not here with us today.