Michael Jackson v. Wade Robson, a new trial to be held

The only thing that gives me any hope at all is that the estate will appeal the decision. I think they have a real good reason to appeal given that the appellate judges sounded biased as heck. The language in that decision was ugly and unprofessional, in my opinion. The estate needs to say something about that.
 
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We have to hope i agree, it's going to be a long drawn out process, staying positive is what I'm trying to do. Just can't give those loosers any reason to accuse us of being in the wrong. WR loves the attention he thrives on it I'm done with giving him /them any more.
 
Those vanity fair articles in particular are the worst weapons against MJ, maybe worse than Leaving Neverland tbh.
 
Those vanity fair articles in particular are the worst weapons against MJ, maybe worse than Leaving Neverland tbh.

Are they really though? It's all BS that can easily be proven with factual information, right? Isnt one of the things in that article claiming MJ bathed in sheep's blood or something? Lmfao. Isn't it also just one article?
 
The only thing that gives me any hope at all is that the estate will appeal the decision. I think they have a real good reason to appeal given that the appellate judges sounded biased as heck. The language in that decision was ugly and unprofessional, in my opinion. The estate needs to say something about that.

From what people on Twitter have said it sounds like they will go to the supreme court, but apparently they don't often accept cases like this. So chances are they won't even bother with it.
 
Are they really though? It's all BS that can easily be proven with factual information, right? Isnt one of the things in that article claiming MJ bathed in sheep's blood or something? Lmfao. Isn't it also just one article?

This article is constantly parroted by critics, particularly on reddit. Even today.
 

This article is constantly parroted by critics, particularly on reddit. Even today.

Yeah that one. I have seen detractors post it a lot and then fans correcting them. And after that it's crickets. It always is.
 
Wouldn’t that be something that with Branca in charge he sells the catalog and could potentially lose this case? Coincidence? I always felt Branca was a slime ball let’s hope this wasn’t his plan all along. Showing up right before MJ passes and all this. Yes, he has made billions for the estate but something just doesn’t sit right with me. I’m not a conspiracy theorist either.
Branca wasn't the one arguing in court. It was a different lawyer for the Estate, and by all accounts he seems to have done a great job so far. Like I said earlier him and whoever else is involved needs to bring everything they got and everyone they can get to the trial if it gets there.
I have a horrible feeling about these parasites. They are the least credible 'victims' to date but its 2023 and anything is possible.

It often feels like the justice system will do whatever it takes to finally convict him of a crime, especially with the man long gone.

Poor MJ 😞
Yeah... I worry that feelings will win over facts and to many, especially the media, that will be "close enough" to a guilty verdict for them... and then it'll be all over. :( Sure, the fans will always be around to point out the facts, and his music will likely still be played in some capacity, but it'll never be the same.
The only thing that gives me any hope at all is that the estate will appeal the decision. I think they have a real good reason to appeal given that the appellate judges sounded biased as heck. The language in that decision was ugly and unprofessional, in my opinion. The estate needs to say something about that.
My only problem with appealing is that it will further delay things, and may not even be worth it in the end. If it goes to a trial as planned--and this is just me having odd ideas about things--my hope is that it goes to trial at the same time as the Trump trial. That way, the media can very easily focus on that instead of this horseshit.

This article is constantly parroted by critics, particularly on reddit. Even today.
And despite the arguments made against it, people simply don't listen to them. Fuck Vanity Fair (and Variety too; they deliberately censored pro-Michael comments back when LN came out).
Sadly, yes. And this Guardian piece from Saturday not only reported it but contains inaccurate info. The usual crap:

"In 1994, charges were dropped once the primary alleged victim decided not to testify, and Jackson reached an estimated $20m settlement with the boys’ family."
(emphasis added)
Why oh why oh WHY can't they ever fucking get this fucking shit right arrghhhhhh.
 
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Yes, I wouldn’t have any problem whatsoever with an adult hanging out with kids. Not a “random” adult, though.
1. Yes.
2. “Normal” is a funny concept. It wouldn’t be too ordinary, but it wouldn’t be wrong in any way. Rather the opposite. In this day and age, we have a lot to learn from interacting between generations. Young and old. Ageism is the worst.
I will support you here. The values of society and what is <normal> reflect the state of this society. It is considered weird only because there is fear of sexual connotation. Even if it is not. This is exactly what MJ has told - people are judging it because people think <sex>. I also understand all the <hanging out> was with the parental permission. They obviously did not think it was weird if they allowed it..
 
Yeah that one. I have seen detractors post it a lot and then fans correcting them. And after that it's crickets. It always is.
Reddit is basically the harbinger for those weirdos. R/LeavingNeverLandHBO, 8K of them, they explicitly target and bridge against MJ. They want an anonymous home base. Who are they? Regular people? Newscasters and people in the media, business men, people with connections to Epstein, Weinstein, Reed, Diamond. Who knows. It's insane.

I wonder if life will ever end up so ironic someone accuses Wade or Reed of a crime. Maybe Britney Spears knows something. She has nothing to do with this, I'm just talking lol.
 
Reddit is basically the harbinger for those weirdos. R/LeavingNeverLandHBO, 8K of them, they explicitly target and bridge against MJ. They want an anonymous home base. Who are they? Regular people? Newscasters and people in the media, business men, people with connections to Epstein, Weinstein, Reed, Diamond. Who knows. It's insane.

I wonder if life will ever end up so ironic someone accuses Wade or Reed of a crime. Maybe Britney Spears knows something. She has nothing to do with this, I'm just talking lol.
I actually haven't seen anything about this on the Reddit front page at all over the last few days. Maybe I just didn't view at the right time, or didn't scroll far enough, but it wasn't in the first 20 threads I saw, so maybe it's not making a big impact there?

Would be interesting if Britney knew something. I doubt she'll say anything though; apparently she's not in the best shape right now? I don't follow her on social media but others who do are saying she looks to be not all there. If she's clear-headed enough to testify, though, that would be great.
 
I agree with the “emotions over facts” thing. That’s what scares me the most. If they could nearly get Michael’s music pulled over some garbage like LN, I don’t even want to think of how this trial is going to play out when these men have the support of the media and biased officials. I’ve never really trusted judges when Michael is involved as I’ve seen how most of them have helped and protected those who have done the worst damage to him, in my opinion, allowing blatant bullcrap into court proceedings and not allowing in facts that clearly prove Michael was innocent. I have real trouble believing that they can have a fair trial with that and the fact that the public made up their minds about him years ago. I’m sorry to be doom and gloom. But this whole thing is really tired, ridiculous and disgusting.
 
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I actually haven't seen anything about this on the Reddit front page at all over the last few days. Maybe I just didn't view at the right time, or didn't scroll far enough, but it wasn't in the first 20 threads I saw, so maybe it's not making a big impact there?
Oh well that's good. That's on me then, searching his name and browsing through the trashy gossip spots. It's not really something that comes up much. The MJ Subreddit itself just be kinda desolate.
 
Branca wasn't the one arguing in court. It was a different lawyer for the Estate, and by all accounts he seems to have done a great job so far. [...]
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MJE legal team seems to be good and Steinsapir, who I believe is lead counsel on this, has impressed me so far.

Yeah... I worry that feelings will win over facts and to many, especially the media, that will be "close enough" to a guilty verdict for them... and then it'll be all over. :(
This is the bit that worries me about it being a civil case and the way it hinges (apparently) on the 'preponderance' of evidence. I just can't get it out of my head that it leaves too much room for people's emotional responses to kick in. I'm not saying criminal trials are perfect, I'm not saying juries always get it right or can't be swayed or whatever. But the requirement for 'beyond all reasonable doubt' is fairly rigourous, I think. This civil case arrangement feels much less so to me with my non-legal brain. Unless and until I can understand more about how a civil case works I'm going to be anxious about this aspect of the whole thing.

My only problem with appealing is that it will further delay things, and may not even be worth it in the end.
Exactly. I'm not even thinking about it. I trust MJE legal team to make the right call on this. They are the only ones who can really properly assess the advantages and disadvantages of appealing or not appealing.

Why oh why oh WHY can't they ever fucking get this fucking shit right arrghhhhhh.
I do hate this almost more than any other aspect of this whole sh*t show. Almost. My concern isn't whether a specific journalist believes Michael to be guilty, that's on them. What gets me is, er, journalistic accuracy? Professional standards? Fact checking? Knowing how to do the research? Maintaining a neutral and professional stance on a story that you're writing? I mean, I could go on and on. The point is, Michael's fans have done all the hard work. The info is out there, easy to access, easy to understand. A journalist is completely free to believe that Michael is guilty but they do not have the right to publish inaccurate sh*t. Unacceptable. Report the facts, please, or just don't bother writing about this at all. Go and write sh*t about the Kardashians or whatever.

Sorry. Did a mini essay there. It just gets me, this bit. Just in 2023 alone, the number of times I've seen it written that in 1993 charges were dropped bc Michael paid the settlement.
 
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This article is constantly parroted by critics, particularly on reddit. Even today.
Yeah that one. I have seen detractors post it a lot and then fans correcting them. And after that it's crickets. It always is.
Problem is, Staffie, that not everyone who encounters that article will bother to go into the comments so they won't necessarily see the rebuttals from Michael's fans. I hardly ever go into online comments and I can't be the only one. Michael's fans are tireless in their efforts to challenge inaccurate nonsense but it doesn't automatically follow that everyone will see that stuff.

Sidenote: calling you Staffie bc of my Nan, lol. She always had bull terriers. Usually English but she did have one staffie when I was a kid. Lovely dog. Here endeth the derail. This is a serious thread.
 
Maybe Britney Spears knows something. She has nothing to do with this, I'm just talking lol.
Poor Britney. She's got quite enough on her plate. A divorce is upcoming, her publisher is having kittens, apparently, bc it means her autobiography will be out of date before it's even been published and it seems it's too late to make changes to the text. I know this trial won't be happening for months but I wouldn't be looking to Britney as a potential witness for the defence if I was MJE legal. I wouldn't want to do that to her. I'm not sure she'll ever be in a calm enough place to be able to do stuff like that. I hope I'm wrong but there always seems to be too much chaos in her life.
 
Poor Britney. She's got quite enough on her plate. A divorce is upcoming, her publisher is having kittens, apparently, bc it means her autobiography will be out of date before it's even been published and it seems it's too late to make changes to the text. I know this trial won't be happening for months but I wouldn't be looking to Britney as a potential witness for the defence if I was MJE legal. I wouldn't want to do that to her. I'm not sure she'll ever be in a calm enough place to be able to do stuff like that. I hope I'm wrong but there always seems to be too much chaos in her life.
yeh i dont think britney will be called as a witness for the case shes too unstable at the moment
 
Problem is, Staffie, that not everyone who encounters that article will bother to go into the comments so they won't necessarily see the rebuttals from Michael's fans. I hardly ever go into online comments and I can't be the only one. Michael's fans are tireless in their efforts to challenge inaccurate nonsense but it doesn't automatically follow that everyone will see that stuff.

Sidenote: calling you Staffie bc of my Nan, lol. She always had bull terriers. Usually English but she did have one staffie when I was a kid. Lovely dog. Here endeth the derail. This is a serious thread.

Oh yes, amazing breed. I love mine to death, she's my life and has gotten me through many hardships when many loved ones passed away. I hope she gets very old, while being healthy as can be of course.
 

Poor Britney. She's got quite enough on her plate. A divorce is upcoming, her publisher is having kittens, apparently, bc it means her autobiography will be out of date before it's even been published and it seems it's too late to make changes to the text. I know this trial won't be happening for months but I wouldn't be looking to Britney as a potential witness for the defence if I was MJE legal. I wouldn't want to do that to her. I'm not sure she'll ever be in a calm enough place to be able to do stuff like that. I hope I'm wrong but there always seems to be too much chaos in her life.

Didn't Britney and Wade date each other? Maybe she has dirt on him.
 
The legislation was changed regarding the statute of limitations for csa cases, that's how they were able to keep going.

This is what I can't stand. They have all the luck in the world. For actual victims this is very good, but for these disgusting opportunists it's good too and shouldn't be.

I've been thinking of the very real possibility that the jury rules in their favor, emotions > facts basically in that case and what it could mean for his image overall. LN got numbskulls already banning his art temporarily, his goddamn statue in The Netherlands was removed because of a FICTIONAL disgusting film, I swear people turned into mindless drones back then, what would this do?

One thing I do know, I will always remain a fan, a supporter, a FIGHTER for this man. Because I'm not about to start having doubts about his innocence and certainly not based on these two pathetic two pieces of vermin. That is a fact for me.
 
It was just a kiss nothing more
No wonder she feels rough poor girl -


back on topic - I just think that he needs a sentence. Would like to see him behind bars. It is really truly criminally insane what he is doing. Master manipulator mister Wade Robson.
 
How exactly will they get round the fact that he lied under oath,or will none of that be mentioned, are they just going with the touring side of things will the estate be able to bring up all the lies that were proved.
 
How exactly will they get round the fact that he lied under oath,or will none of that be mentioned, are they just going with the touring side of things will the estate be able to bring up all the lies that were proved.
This is going to be so harsh on us all :(
 
All joking apart- i'm actually really scared of Robson. i actually physically shake when i see these pictures of him. i hope that - the fact he lied on oath ...he took that oath and lied on it, Insulting real survivors of sexual abuse. Hope he gets what should be coming to him and his men. I pray hard the court see what the fans do.
He can't win.
 
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