Michael Jackson v. Wade Robson, a new trial to be held

Oh man I'm trying hard to stay calm and I'll refrain on what my wishes are for these two pieces of human garbage, I don't want a ban, sigh. I'm seeing a good amount of fans on Twitter saying they are happy with this, because it can finally be done with forever, but I fear they underestimate the risks here.
I have the same fear. If there's anything I've learned from playing the Ace Attorney games, trials are not as straightforward as one would hope.

I so want to not worry and believe that everything will be all right no matter what... but how can I? Everything is so unpredictable these days who knows what the hell will happen.
 
When would this trial potentially take place? Will the Estate appeal to the Supreme Court?

The comments I read under the News articles most if not all commenters believe this is bullshit.

I don't dare going into comment sections anymore, but what you say gives me hope, that's very good to read. Maybe folks finally are waking up, maybe they looked up the actual facts after LN. Maybe finally realize how easy it is for ANYONE to make stuff like this up, trying to get an easy pay day, in tje process trying to ruin the legacy of a dead person. It can happen to anyone, it just happens to have been the easiest target imaginable.

Would be incredibly refreshing if people are waking up.
 
When would this trial potentially take place? Will the Estate appeal to the Supreme Court?
This is speculation but I find it quite helpful in trying to understand how this might play out. @andjustice4some posted this back in June:

"TMZ report explained: Normally, the tentative ruling is sent to the attorneys a day or two before it is made public. More than likely Finaldi leaked to TMZ. Tentative rulings can be changed. Oral arguments will take place on July 26. Estate will argue why this ruling is wrong. Final ruling will come out later. A few weeks to a month probably.
If the final ruling is the same as the tentative, more than likely the Estate will appeal to the Supreme Court.

SC only hears 5% of the cases submitted, so it's a long shot.
If SC hears the case, and rules for the Estate, it's over. Wade loses.
If the SC
[hears the case and] rules for Wade, it goes back to the lower court for trial.
If the SC refuses to hear the case, the case will go back to the lower court for trial.

If the case goes to trial, we're looking at some serious time before it happens. Possibly some time next year."

The comments I read under the News articles most if not all commenters believe this is bullshit.
Good to know.
 
Last edited:
This is speculation but I find it quite helpful in trying to understand how this might play out. @andjustice4some posted this back in June:

"TMZ report explained: Normally, the tentative ruling is sent to the attorneys a day or two before it is made public. More than likely Finaldi leaked to TMZ. Tentative rulings can be changed. Oral arguments will take place on July 26. Estate will argue why this ruling is wrong. Final ruling will come out later. A few weeks to a month probably.
If the final ruling is the same as the tentative, more than likely the Estate will appeal to the Supreme Court.

SC only hears 5% of the cases submitted, so it's a long shot.
If SC hears the case, and rules for the Estate, it's over. Wade loses.
If the SC rules for Wade, it goes back to the lower court for trial.I
f the SC refuses to hear the case, the case will go back to the lower court for trial.

If the case goes to trial, we're looking at some serious time before it happens. Possibly some time next year."


Good to know.

Man it's a lot to take in. I understand that the supreme court has already ruled against estate or is this yet to occur? As in, has the estate made this move yet?
 
This is speculation but I find it quite helpful in trying to understand how this might play out. @andjustice4some posted this back in June:

"TMZ report explained: Normally, the tentative ruling is sent to the attorneys a day or two before it is made public. More than likely Finaldi leaked to TMZ. Tentative rulings can be changed. Oral arguments will take place on July 26. Estate will argue why this ruling is wrong. Final ruling will come out later. A few weeks to a month probably.
If the final ruling is the same as the tentative, more than likely the Estate will appeal to the Supreme Court.

SC only hears 5% of the cases submitted, so it's a long shot.
If SC hears the case, and rules for the Estate, it's over. Wade loses.
If the SC rules for Wade, it goes back to the lower court for trial.I
f the SC refuses to hear the case, the case will go back to the lower court for trial.

If the case goes to trial, we're looking at some serious time before it happens. Possibly some time next year."


Good to know.
Thank you!
 
Man it's a lot to take in. I understand that the supreme court has already ruled against estate or is this yet to occur? As in, has the estate made this move yet?
No, I don't think MJE has taken this to the Supreme Court yet. I think what @andjustice4some is saying is, now that the final judgement has been handed down and it matches the tentative judgement - which is what everyone expected would happen - MJE has the right, I think, to take it to SC and appeal. I think that's right. They might decide not to appeal. They might decide to concentrate their efforts on fine-tuning their strategy. The SC doesn't take many cases, maybe it's not a good use of their time to try for an appeal. This is guesswork on my part, I hardly need point out.
 
Well, this is hardly a helpful contribution. Killing people is illegal. People already think that Michael's fans are crazed and deluded. This sort of thing doesn't help.
I know, but this is what all haters have to know about Michael! EVERY USELES PEACE OF SHIT TRYIED TO MAKE MONEY ON MICHAEL! FROM A GUY, WHO WANTED TO HEAL THIS WORLD, WHO HELPED A LOT OF KIDS, WHO WANTED TO MAKE A WORLD A BETTER PLACE! I would understand if they tryied to earn money from any other celebrity! But they chosed Michael, they kindest person on this world! And after that disgusting deed they all deserved only one path - painful death. Sorry, but that is justice! If you abuse somebody bad - nobody cares, if you abuse somebody neutral - you are a bad guy, but you deserve a second chance, but if you abuse somebody good, somebody precious - you are monster and death is the only outcome, that you deserve to get. This is how it should work. There are some countries with death penalty. And Robson and Reed deserved it! Moreover they deserved even more pain, because, as I stated before, they abused not just neutral person, but angel. There is no second chance for them)
 
There will never be a legal precedent for needing a "chaperone" in every business/public location. That just makes no sense as a precedent. That's what the Estate NEEDS to argue, beyond just/in addition to the nonsense Wade and Safechuck have done.

Somebody mentioned the arbitration case; that's mostly still pending.
 
No, I don't think MJE has taken this to the Supreme Court yet. I think what @andjustice4some is saying is, now that the final judgement has been handed down and it matches the tentative judgement - which is what everyone expected would happen - MJE has the right, I think, to take it to SC and appeal. I think that's right. They might decide not to appeal. They might decide to concentrate their efforts on fine-tuning their strategy. The SC doesn't take many cases, maybe it's not a good use of their time to try for an appeal. This is guesswork on my part, I hardly need point out.

I see. Yeah I was really hoping for that....sc sees it, throws it out, bye bye Wade and James. But that would be a bit too good to be true. But God knows Michael deserves it, ah man the good man deserved so much more.

It's times like these that I wish he hadn't cared so much about the living, seriously. Yes he helped many good people, but because of his trusting nature, just too good a heart for this world he has the misfortune to meet some truly rotten souls too. It's just immensely frustrating that Wade and James are getting their way.

I see some fans on Twitter saying that these two bit off more than they can chew, that they thought they wanted a trial but had been hoping for that easy payday instead, that the estate would settle. I agree with that, for sure they have been hoping so much for a settlement but that doesn't mean they won't be ready for this trial. But we shouldn't underestimate MJE either. I hope so much that Mesereau will be at it again.
 
I know your frustration but we shouldn’t say things like that.
These just are words.... Even if I would be close enough to kill Robson, I would never do that, because there are always consequences... I Just hope, that God will see monsters, that are living on our planet, and will give them end, that they deserved to get
 
There will never be a legal precedent for needing a "chaperone" in every business/public location. That just makes no sense as a precedent. That's what the Estate NEEDS to argue, beyond just/in addition to the nonsense Wade and Safechuck have done.
I mean, just think about what this would mean; every school day, party, work environment, internship, hospital visit, event for worship, college dorm room, professional training event, like, what event wouldn't need a chaperone? That is not a variable that makes any sense at all.
 
I know, but this is what all haters have to know about Michael! EVERY USELES PEACE OF SHIT TRYIED TO MAKE MONEY ON MICHAEL! FROM A GUY, WHO WANTED TO HEAL THIS WORLD, WHO HELPED A LOT OF KIDS, WHO WANTED TO MAKE A WORLD A BETTER PLACE! I would understand if they tryied to earn money from any other celebrity! But they chosed Michael, they kindest person on this world! And after that disgusting deed they all deserved only one path - painful death. Sorry, but that is justice! If you abuse somebody bad - nobody cares, if you abuse somebody neutral - you are a bad guy, but you deserve a second chance, but if you abuse somebody good, somebody precious - you are monster and death is the only outcome, that you deserve to get. This is how it should work. There are some countries with death penalty. And Robson and Reed deserved it! Moreover they deserved even more pain, because, as I stated before, they abused not just neutral person, but angel. There is no second chance for them)

I understand you so well. I have always been of the mindstate of live and let live, but there can be exceptions and I'm rapidly starting to lean in a different way. I wouldn't lose any sleep if scum like this would just "go away".

It's best to not say it out loud in other places but I understand your anger and frustration 100%! And it's so frustrating how things keep going their way. Defamation of the dead, they should try that in other countries where it IS illegal.
 
This kind of statements actually hurt the community and MJ's reputation!
This. I know everyone is angry, but the last thing we need right now are the fans embracing violence. I can already hear the hater crowd going "But your so-called idol MJ said we should be kind to each other and that violence is bad, remember? *smirk* UwU"
 
I see. Yeah I was really hoping for that....sc sees it, throws it out, bye bye Wade and James. But that would be a bit too good to be true.
It would be the dream scenario but I don't want to be unrealistic.

It's times like these that I wish he hadn't cared so much about the living, seriously. Yes he helped many good people, but because of his trusting nature, just too good a heart for this world he has the misfortune to meet some truly rotten souls too.
I understand this. I almost - almost - feel the same. I don't think any of us wants Michael to not be himself but ... oh, I can't even finish the sentence. It's a crap fest all around.

It's just immensely frustrating that Wade and James are getting their way.
:(

I see some fans on Twitter saying that these two bit off more than they can chew, that they thought they wanted a trial but had been hoping for that easy payday instead, that the estate would settle. I agree with that, for sure they have been hoping so much for a settlement but that doesn't mean they won't be ready for this trial. But we shouldn't underestimate MJE either. I hope so much that Mesereau will be at it again.
This does make sense, WR and JS hoping MJE will fold and chuck loads of money at them. I don't underestimate MJE legal team and I think they'll put up a good fight. They retained Tom Mesereau as Special Counsel a couple of years ago, I think. I'm sure he'll be advising. I hope so.
 
This. I know everyone is angry, but the last thing we need right now are the fans embracing violence. I can already hear the hater crowd going "But your so-called idol MJ said we should be kind to each other and that violence is bad, remember? *smirk* UwU"
Exactly. Personally, I don't care how upset or frustrated someone is, violent language is unacceptable and it does not help Michael's cause. Threats of violence, however unlikely it is that they could or would ever be carried out, are just plain wrong and this board is no place, imo, for that kind of talk. Don't feed the MSM idea of Michael's fans being crazy and unreasonable.
 
[...] I see some fans on Twitter saying that these two bit off more than they can chew, that they thought they wanted a trial but had been hoping for that easy payday instead, that the estate would settle. I agree with that, for sure they have been hoping so much for a settlement but that doesn't mean they won't be ready for this trial. But we shouldn't underestimate MJE either. [...]
This will probably come across all wrong but there is a bit of me that is kind of fascinated to see what their angle is going to be. I don't even know yet if I want to follow the trial, once it starts, but I am intrigued as to how their legal team is going to argue this. Don't get me wrong, I'm not treating this as entertainment at all. Not even a tiny bit. It's too scary and too important. But I can't figure out their angle and I'm interested to know what it is.
 
This will probably come across all wrong but there is a bit of me that is kind of fascinated to see what their angle is going to be. I don't even know yet if I want to follow the trial, once it starts, but I am intrigued as to how their legal team is going to argue this. Don't get me wrong, I'm not treating this as entertainment at all. Not even a tiny bit. It's too scary and too important. But I can't figure out their angle and I'm interested to know what it is.

I see what you mean. You would think they are going to need some evidence before a jury can even start to take them remotely seriously, claims can't be enough. Especially when MJE can counter with much evidence of basically stating the exact opposite of what they are saying.

So I'm guessing they are gonna make their claims sound as awful and disgusting and detailed as possible, in the hopes to shock the jury, much like LN did. Emotionally manipulative without presenting any proof of a crime at all. It showed us how this is more than enough to turn people into mindless drones. It wouldn't surprise me if that's their strategy, because they will only need to convince them for 50%. It's up to MJE to show what opportunistic liars these two are, how they can't stick to one story (Arvizos), hopefully have proof of certain time lines where Michael wasn't even on the property.

But then I'm afraid of can Finaldi argue that this is so many years ago, we can't blame these two for maybe getting some dates mixed up. That would be so messed up, but I can see it. But MJE really needs to nail the message of how these two are incredibly untrustworthy with a history of lies. Expose their clear agenda, expose to the jury how especially Wade sung MJ's praises long after his death until he got the news that he wouldn't be part of the musical. It can all be shown and we have to hope the jury sees it for what it is. The jury basically needs to be like "so which version of the story is it guys?"
 
I see what you mean. You would think they are going to need some evidence before a jury can even start to take them remotely seriously, claims can't be enough. Especially when MJE can counter with much evidence of basically stating the exact opposite of what they are saying.
Exactly. You can't just waltz into court and say stuff. They sat there and said stuff on camera but this is a court of law so it's different.

So I'm guessing they are gonna make their claims sound as awful and disgusting and detailed as possible, in the hopes to shock the jury, much like LN did. Emotionally manipulative without presenting any proof of a crime at all. It showed us how this is more than enough to turn people into mindless drones. It wouldn't surprise me if that's their strategy, because they will only need to convince them for 50%. It's up to MJE to show what opportunistic liars these two are, how they can't stick to one story (Arvizos), hopefully have proof of certain time lines where Michael wasn't even on the property.
This is what I'm thinking. This is why I wonder if LN was always designed to be part of the 'evidence' they would present if they got to court.

But then I'm afraid of can Finaldi argue that this is so many years ago, we can't blame these two for maybe getting some dates mixed up. That would be so messed up, but I can see it.
This already happens. Not from Finaldi, I mean that I have seen this stuff in the UK press. This is the 'argument' that gets put forward as part of the explanation. That, coated in loads of emotional manipulation, imo. And, I have to say, it seems to work on some people. Just to be really clear, for victims of csa, they absolutely can struggle to clearly remember stuff, to remember timelines etc. I'm not denying that. But with WR and JS, their story doesn't stand up for me. It just doesn't. Ages ago I even looked at a couple of 'hater' blogs to see what their arguments were. The blogs were already inactive, they had very little content and I didn't see anything that made me think, hm, they might have a point. It was all nonsense.

But MJE really needs to nail the message of how these two are incredibly untrustworthy with a history of lies. Expose their clear agenda, expose to the jury how especially Wade sung MJ's praises long after his death until he got the news that he wouldn't be part of the musical. It can all be shown and we have to hope the jury sees it for what it is.
Bc it's a civil case I'm not clear how the thing might pan out but this right here is what I want to see.
 
Would be incredibly refreshing if people are waking up.
Some kind of redemption at least. I am convinced he died and not here now , because of how he was treated and the stress of all of this , carried out over decades. Never-ending mental anguish could have turned to a physical hell -fire pain, could v'e made him very ill and i think that's ... the result - Our hero is gone forever this trial is the result of that outcome. Sorry this is long winded and a bit rantish but
i'd cry if the public got it. really got it.
:(
 
Last edited:
When would this trial potentially take place? Will the Estate appeal to the Supreme Court?

The comments I read under the News articles most if not all commenters believe this is bullshit.
They will focus on mj touring with him / them, and try and bring in as many people who are still alive that where there, even Cheryl crowe was saying how unusual it was having them around all the time she praised him she turned out to be a back stabber it's all so sad
 
they are gonna really drive the knife of this one
talk about triggering...i might sit this one out.

I might too. It's not gonna be like 2005, this is way different and more "small scale" too. I might just check up on the summaries by TSCM once every week or so. I bet it's going to take a while, might be one drawed out, long ass thing and it wouldn't shock me one bit if it even moves into 2025.
 
Those f🤬king Appeal Court p🤬ks!

They’re really turning 2023 into 1993 now! That’s it, the glove is coming off now!

5b9cbd8b1f69cc34378220c1b34a2fceb695ef7526fe2f8134db31e179f3f818.jpg
 
Part of me thinks this might change people's minds, I'm hoping so anyway
 
Due to the new court case, many people will continue to believe it and see mj negatively
 
@Paris78 - thank you so much for posting this. I need to re-post the text bc I find it easier to read it laid out like this.

And, bingo! Finally, someone who can explain stuff to me with my non-legal brain and to do it in a way that I can understand. Just, Wow!

Dr Andrew Greene:

"The California Division Eight Court of Appeals, composed of Associate Justices Elizabeth A. Grimes, John Shepard Wiley Jr., and Victor Viramontes, has displayed a troubling level of ineptitude and detachment from reality in their recent ruling. Their assertion that "this is not an alter ego case, but rather a same ego case" reveals a concerning bias and echoes the notion that they merely acted as pawns carrying out the wishes of Jackson.

Regrettably, this ruling disregards established facts and distorts reality, enabling the pursuit of legal action against the deceased Michael Jackson through his companies. It seems unjust that this allows a departure from factual accuracy in favor of such litigation.

From my perspective, if this precedent permits suing Jackson through his corporate entities, then it logically follows that the companies should have the right to counter-sue Wade Robson and James Safechuck for defamation.While the United States currently lacks specific laws safeguarding the deceased from defamation, the potential progression of this case to trial might pave the way for the establishment of new legal precedents aimed at posthumous defamation protection."
 
Back
Top