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Michael Jackson feat. 50 cent - MONSTER - its the real deal says 50 -READ!

damien shields said:
I am deluded because I don't want to buy an album with 3 fake songs? Get off your high horse.

I will download the songs I like from iTunes individually. I already have Hold My Hand downloaded as a single so I won't need that one, I won't need The Way You Love Me, I won't get the Cascio fakes. Most looking forward to Hollywood Tonight.

But no, no way to the full album.
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Congratulations!!!!!!You are doing the same thing I am doing. I already downloaded Hold My Hand and I am waiting for the nonCascio songs to download when itunes gets it. I am happy with 7 songs!!!!!
 
Wait to hear the album versions of the songs and then you decide if you will buy the album or not.
 
AnnieRUOkay89 said:
We have yet to see the results of said tests, we don't even know who these forensic experts are. Again, none of the names mentioned, have come out and said anything themselves. Everything is "Sony said..."
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Actually, it was the Estate that said it, which represents MJ himself. The Estate CANNOT just go and make a FALSE public statement; that opens them to litigation, as would releasing fake tracks onto an album.

Why should the Estate/Sony have to provide names and results? They have not been legally challenged to do so. If someone questions the results of what "Sony said," then they truly at this point need to DO SOMETHING about it. That's what a court of law is for. This court of law also gives a defendant the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. So unless someone can come forth and show evidence that it is NOT MJ on the tracks, the Estate has no legal obligation whatsoever to provide evidence that it is.
 
cppounders said:
Actually, it was the Estate that said it, which represents MJ himself. The Estate CANNOT just go and make a FALSE public statement; that opens them to litigation, as would releasing fake tracks onto an album.

Why should the Estate/Sony have to provide names and results? They have not been legally challenged to do so. If someone questions the results of what "Sony said," then they truly at this point need to DO SOMETHING about it. That's what a court of law is for. This court of law also gives a defendant the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. So unless someone can come forth and show evidence that it is NOT MJ on the tracks, the Estate has no legal obligation whatsoever to provide evidence that it is.
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It was the Estate/Sony which said it, Sony was included as the ones who hired said forensic specialists, so they're basically saying the same thing. The fact of the matter is, the results have yet to be shown, and these people Michael worked with have yet to come forward and say they listened to anything at all, or concluded who it was on the vocals. So how can fans believe such a thing actually transpired? Because the estate said so? It doesn't quite work that way. The Estate should provide evidence that it's Michael, since they "represent Michael himself", Michael wouldn't want his fans to remain in the dark about this matter. Yet that's exactly what the Estate/Sony is doing, they can openly lie, because they know nobody is going to do anything about it, The Jackson's still have pending court cases regarding wrongful death lawsuits and the like against AEG, none of which has been resolved, if a fan tried to sue, the case would be immediately thrown out, we're fans, what court will take us seriously as opposed to a major billion dollar record label? Not many, so it's easy to lie about things, knowing that most likely nothing will be done.


Fact is, there is 0% of proof that Michael is on these songs, there's also 0% of proof that he isn't. So until their is, people will continue to question them, and will continue to rightfully question an online statement. Especially when it's essentially easy to contact these people who they claim listened and concluded that it was Michael, it's easy to give out names of the Forensic analysts, and it's easy to take screenshot's of the results of the Forensic test and post them for the world to see. The fact that this hasn't been done yet, rightfully makes people wonder if any of it actually happened.


If you feel that we should just believe what they say, despite any proof of what they're saying as being true isn't in existence, as of yet, fine. It's your opinion, but that's the equivalent of penalizing some for a crime, just because it was said they did it, and not having to provide proof. This world would be a crazy place if everything was based on "he said/she said".


I'm not saying anything about the validity of the vocals, as I've never flat out said anything was "fake", but I do believe in this case, with this one song, something is up. But that's neither here nor there, but people aren't wrong for not believing "forensic analysis" and "those who worked with Michael", because as I said, nothing at the moment exists to prove that such analysis actually happened, and that those who worked with Michael had said anything regarding the Cascio songs, let alone the album.
 
Michael or not Michael the song Monster is awful.I don't think he would included a song like this in an album.
 
But don't you think if their names had been used in a statement like that and it's not true that they would've responded by now? We're talking about big names here. You think the Estate would just use them like that without their approval, risking these people to come out and say it's not true? I have a hard time seeing something like this happening.

My question is why haven't the Jacksons done their own independent forensic test? This stuff is usually accurate, so if this is truly not MJ it should be fairly easy to prove, no? That's what I wanna know.
 
smooth_criminal05 said:
After heavy analysis of the recent 50 second snippet of Monster I can say ...No I do not believe that's Michael Jackson. Breaking News (I can hear MJ in that). Keep Your Head Up is MJ. But that 50 second snippet was not MJ. It's obviously a very rough demo MJ did and was put together with a stand in adding most of the vocals MJ never got to finish.
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As you said, this is absolutyely not MJ who sings on Monster. But now, you should realize this is the same thing on Breaking news. Maybe that's harder but for some people (I don't want to be pretentious), that's abvious. And all the professionals who worked with MJ in the past and say it's him are lying like they've never done before maybe.

smooth_criminal05 said:
Unless the album version is completely different or the Cascio's provide video evidence of MJ singing Monster then I will not believe it's him. I could see MJ singing this type of song (he may have even helped write it), but the way some words are pronounced are simply not the way MJ would say it.
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This is just a way for the Cascios to say "you are not convinced yet, buy the album that's different". The point is Breaking news was broadcasted by Sony and I don't see what could be so different on Monster for example. Even if they rearranged it to make it more MJ that will always be to far from his voice, whatever the period. We can't identify anything that was the signature of Michael Jackson of any of the 3 Cascios tracks. Besides, the demo aspect argument is not valid, listen to demos we already have, from all periods, and you will see there is no hesitation.

Gaz said:
Yes, this is what they told me directly.

For me Dec 14th I will judge what they said to be true.
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smooth_criminal05 said:
All we can do right now is: wait for the Oprah episode and see if any new info is revealed. And after that let's buy the album and see if it sounds any different. Apparently the album versions are not the same as the leaks.
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If you are not convinced, you should at least listen to the album before buying it. If not, you will give a big YES to sony and that will be to late for crying for the next time. They will argue that it's was a success even for the fans and the next time will be worse.
 
serendipity said:
But don't you think if their names had been used in a statement like that and it's not true that they would've responded by now? We're talking about big names here. You think the Estate would just use them like that without their approval, risking these people to come out and say it's not true? I have a hard time seeing something like this happening.

My question is why haven't the Jacksons done their own independent forensic test? This stuff is usually accurate, so if this is truly not MJ it should be fairly easy to prove, no? That's what I wanna know.
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You'd have to ask them that, they believe the songs aren't legit, yet they have yet to sue. Maybe they know, now after the AEG lawsuits, that's hard to topple a media monopoly like Sony. And you're right, if these names didn't say what they said, then they should come out, but chances are they just don't care enough to do so. All I'm saying is, no one should believe "he said/she said" until one can prove the facts, they have yet to prove the facts, so rightfully people will continue to question the Estate, these vocals and Sony.
 
cppounders said:
It's been pretty well established that the Cascio's are great family friends to Michael... he lived with them, and had a close relationship with them... his children even spent their first holidays after Michael's death with the Cascios. They have never sold a story about him or taken advantage of him.
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This is true,they have never caused to Michael any gossip,rumors,trouble;friends for 20 years.It seems very strange that now that he is gone,they sold these 7 songs to Sony (for sure the Cascios knows about the problems that Michael had in the past with Sony).
It is not,imo,a correct behavior especially when the songs are far from being complete and they knows pretty well that he was such a perfectionist.Maybe we don't know the whole story,I hope they bring some good argumets to Oprah.
 
you really believe in Santa Claus to believe that the real MJ singing on monster, it's a shame to sell this horrible thing, totally disrespectful to Mike's memory and legacy!!!!
 
AnnieRUOkay89 said:
We have yet to see the results of said tests, we don't even know who these forensic experts are. Again, none of the names mentioned, have come out and said anything themselves. Everything is "Sony said..."
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No one has any evidence. You have to believe your self its MJ or you hear the Song with the dumb rumors in your Brain and hear some strangers Voice. You have no other choice.

MJ sayed "If people hear a lie long enough People believe it"

We hear this Fake Voice rumor weeks before we hear the Song first time. Nothing more to say:timer:
 
I wouldn't say that Monster is all fake, there are parts i'm convinced Michael is singing like the chorus 'monster, it's a monster..'. Of course I might be wrong but I'm feeling it.

I have this theory that Sony has played with the pitch of his voice and leaked these modified songs intentionally on the internet so they 'cause confusion for when someone is trying to download the album illegally on the internet, instead of the original songs that should be on the album they'd come upon many 'fake versions' and be annoyed in their search quest thus forced to purchase the original product. Only thing that I don't understand is how these cascio tracks as we know them ( I assume) were presented to the family ... I can understand SONY teasing the general public with a stunt or a protective mechanism for their product (of the leaks), but would they treat his family the same way?. I am confused but can't wait to see whats the final product
 
someone who has heard the album in another thread has stated the cassio tracks we have heard are in fact what will be on the album (same versions).
 
serendipity said:
But don't you think if their names had been used in a statement like that and it's not true that they would've responded by now? We're talking about big names here. You think the Estate would just use them like that without their approval, risking these people to come out and say it's not true? I have a hard time seeing something like this happening.

My question is why haven't the Jacksons done their own independent forensic test? This stuff is usually accurate, so if this is truly not MJ it should be fairly easy to prove, no? That's what I wanna know.
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I was told that they did their own tests ...and the results are the same as Sony's & the estate.

We have been bugging (literally!!!) them for over 2 weeks now with questions about THEIR own tests...but now they've disappeared from twitter.

:no:
 
i think MJ could of done a duet with better people :) but i do want to hear it from someone :)
 
Reasons why I'm inclined to believe the Cascio tracks are real:

1. The Cascio's seem like good people who have always had Michael's back. I don't think they would betray him like this.

2. The songs sound too much like MJ for it to be somebody else.
 
I think it is time to leak the full track feat. 50 Cent so all these nonsenses can stop. So please someone who has the full track leak it.
 
L.T.D said:
I have made up my mind yes. I'm open to them trying to change it though. I just doubt they will, as I know they would have to offer solid proof that its MJ on those songs to change my mind. I dont see them doing that.
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lol. How can you say you are open at this point? I read your former posts. You said maybe Estate would claim they were wrong. But they didn't do that, so you still didn't believe. Now in this thread you said unless they admitted it was a joke or something else on Oprah Show. Look, you have made your own mind in the first place and don't mean to change it. lol
 
Veromca said:
lol. How can you say you are open at this point? I read your former posts. You said maybe Estate would claim they were wrong. But they didn't do that, so you still didn't believe. Now in this thread you said unless they admitted it was a joke or something else on Oprah Show. Look, you have made your own mind in the first place and don't mean to change it. lol
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I've just admitted that i've made up my mind :scratch:. But i'm open to them trying to change it. It just so happens that they havent managed to do that yet.

OnirMJ said:
I think it is time to leak the full track feat. 50 Cent so all these nonsenses can stop. So please someone who has the full track leak it.
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I think we've heard enough of the track now to judge whether its real or not. Leaking the full song wont change that.
 
peacefulmind said:
I wouldn't say that Monster is all fake, there are parts i'm convinced Michael is singing like the chorus 'monster, it's a monster..'. Of course I might be wrong but I'm feeling it.

I have this theory that Sony has played with the pitch of his voice and leaked these modified songs intentionally on the internet so they 'cause confusion for when someone is trying to download the album illegally on the internet, instead of the original songs that should be on the album they'd come upon many 'fake versions' and be annoyed in their search quest thus forced to purchase the original product. Only thing that I don't understand is how these cascio tracks as we know them ( I assume) were presented to the family ... I can understand SONY teasing the general public with a stunt or a protective mechanism for their product (of the leaks), but would they treat his family the same way?. I am confused but can't wait to see whats the final product
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It would be great to be this way. I can only hope....

But I dunno.... Hope your theory would prove right! :angel:
 
L.T.D said:
I've just admitted that i've made up my mind :scratch:. But i'm open to them trying to change it. It just so happens that they havent managed to do that yet.
"I'll see what they have to say, however I doubt i'll believe a word of it.

UNLESS they were to say the vocals are fake and they just did it for a laugh "

Your ORIGINAL words on Pg 48. So can you say you are actually open or just stick to your gun ???
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Veromca said:
L.T.D said:
I've just admitted that i've made up my mind :scratch:. But i'm open to them trying to change it. It just so happens that they havent managed to do that yet.
"I'll see what they have to say, however I doubt i'll believe a word of it.

UNLESS they were to say the vocals are fake and they just did it for a laugh "

Your ORIGINAL words on Pg 48. So can you say you are actually open or just stick to your gun ???
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Really?..........

Are you like....keeping all my posts stored in a little file to try and catch me out?

What are you even talking about? I'm not saying anything different now that I was saying before. :scratch:

I have said all along. My mind is made up. BUt. I AM OPEN to hearing what they have to say. I AM OPEN to them trying to change my mind. I just doubt that they will offer anything to change my mind.

I'm not that stubborn that I would just ignore it if they offered me solid proof that its MJ on these songs. Of course, if they offer such proof it will obviously influence my opinion.

I just think they will go on there and repeat the same old stuff we have heard all along.

The only reason they are going on there is to get their point across to a wider audience, which is the casual fans. They are just going to be repeating stuff we have already hard.
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AnnieRUOkay89 said:
We have yet to see the results of said tests, we don't even know who these forensic experts are. Again, none of the names mentioned, have come out and said anything themselves. Everything is "Sony said..."
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do not forget about "acceptance by silence" that also exists in the law (generally for contracts but the logic is the same). As none of the mentioned names came forward and said "I didn't say that" or asked for a redaction of the estate/sony statement to exclude their names, it's safe to assume that they indeed said it.

as for the forensic experts/tests I think that the tests and the results are also confirmed by Randy Jackson's tweets who mentions the tests but claims that the experts were biased due to who's paying them. ( I read his tweets as "the tests were done and they said it's Michael but remember Sony is the one that's paying them")
 
michaeljojacksonfan said:
someone who has heard the album in another thread has stated the cassio tracks we have heard are in fact what will be on the album (same versions).
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It's NOT possible that the version of Monster that we have been hearing as snippets is the same as the one on the album, because this version does not have 50 cent featured.

Edit: And yes, I have heard the full track that the snippets were cut from, and it does not feature 50, so the versions are different.
 
michaeljojacksonfan said:
someone who has heard the album in another thread has stated the cassio tracks we have heard are in fact what will be on the album (same versions).
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That's not true. KYHU does not have Earth Song adlibs at the end, Breaking News is a slightly more polished mix, and Monster sounds more clear and defined on the album plus contains vocals from 50 Cent.
 
This song is completly fake!

Can't believe some " fans " can believe it's Mike who sings this thing.

Stop to believe in Santa Claus.
 
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