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"Michael", a biopic about Michael Jackson, is officially happening.

filmandmusic said:
It just goes to show Michael has long lost his status as an icon, it is just us fans that haven’t accepted it yet but the controversies clearly won and took him down. It is only a matter of time before he gets completely erased from memory.
Don’t forget we are only a minority, maybe there are a few million of us left worldwide but we are nothing but a small statistic trying to keep a former icon alive while the rest of the world is erasing him step by step.
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Not really sure where you're seeing that MJ is no longer popular tbh.
 
zinniabooklover said:
Fair point. Personally, I was disappointed that Michael wasn't on the poster but not surprised and not even that upset. Even if he had been included I don't think he'd have been any more prominent than any of the other pop stars on there.
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And he shouldn’t be more prominent than others imo
I don’t know who is central as Michael is plastered in the middle on your pic but I assume it is Bobby Moore with the world cup and that would be rightly deserved.
 
SmoothGangsta said:
Not really sure where you're seeing that MJ is no longer popular tbh.
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I see it everywhere in my country. His songs don’t get covered on music shows anymore, radio isn’t doing MJ weekends anymore and on all time year end polls his holy trilogy of billie jean, thriller and beat it drop deeper down year after year.
 
filmandmusic said:
And he shouldn’t be more prominent than others imo
I don’t know who is central as Michael is plastered in the middle on your pic but I assume it is Bobby Moore with the world cup and that would be rightly deserved.
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Another fair point. I haven't actually seen the original poster. It surely would be Bobby Moore. There would be a riot if it wasn't him. Nothing will ever be more iconic than Bobby Moore lifting the world cup at Wembley.

I agree that if Michael was on the official poster there would be no reason for him to be more prominent than Madonna or Bruce Springsteen or any of the others. When people in the UK think of Wembley they think of the world cup first and then, probably, Live Aid. And that's it.
 
filmandmusic said:
It just goes to show Michael has long lost his status as an icon, it is just us fans that haven’t accepted it yet but the controversies clearly won and took him down. It is only a matter of time before he gets completely erased from memory.
Don’t forget we are only a minority, maybe there are a few million of us left worldwide but we are nothing but a small statistic trying to keep a former icon alive while the rest of the world is erasing him step by step.
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So what are we supposed to do then? Give up? Sit around muttering to ourselves like crazy people until we all die and then he's erased? All of his masters destroyed? Every audio and visual of him wiped from existence and totally unsearchable?

That's an awful, awful fate and the calm acceptance you seem to be expressing in your post is so horrifying to me. If Michael is censored forever I may die.
 
Blues_Away2023 said:
I'm from the UK so your knowledge of Wembley may be limited - it was certainly not just about musical concerts etc that made Wembley iconic.
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I admit that it is limited. I recognize the significant artistic endeavors that happened there mainly.
Blues_Away2023 said:
You can't be getting salty over the lack of MJ on a poster
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Oh but that's just it, I can. And did. Yet I'm only complaining about it here. Other MJ fans much more voraciously denounced them, to their faces.

I'm not asking for his face to be plastered on the front, quite the opposite to be clear. But you can't deny history. Business or otherwise. You can't tell me none of the people they did picture didn't have their own controversies? Why do people refuse to separate the art from the artist, claim they can and might? You don't have to answer that, but that's my stance. It bears answering.
 
filmandmusic said:
I see it everywhere in my country. His songs don’t get covered on music shows anymore, radio isn’t doing MJ weekends anymore and on all time year end polls his holy trilogy of billie jean, thriller and beat it drop deeper down year after year.
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I mean, MJ is very popular on streaming services, his musical is doing incredibly well and there's a biopic coming.
 
Amaya said:
So what are we supposed to do then? Give up? Sit around muttering to ourselves like crazy people until we all die and then he's erased? All of his masters destroyed? Every audio and visual of him wiped from existence and totally unsearchable?

That's an awful, awful fate and the calm acceptance you seem to be expressing in your post is so horrifying to me. If Michael is censored forever I may die.
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What you do is your concern. It is happening whether we want it or not. This cancel culture won’t spare anyone so Michael will eventually follow
 
SmoothGangsta said:
I mean, MJ is very popular on streaming services, his musical is doing incredibly well and there's a biopic coming.
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Yeah, that was an overly pessimistic angle to take. And he's super popular with the youth of today. They're the ones who will keep MJs name alive. MJ's generation, the press, anglo-american powers that be, are pushing this. And are dead set.

But it's impossible to say MJ has lost his status as an icon when he still breaks records literally every year.
 
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SmoothGangsta said:
I mean, MJ is very popular on streaming services, his musical is doing incredibly well and there's a biopic coming.
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I still don’t know how highly or important I must place streaming services. It requires no effort to click on a song and listen to it unlike calling to radio stations to get his song played or physically going out to buy his records. Who uses Spotify anyway? The demography must be very young as I almost know no artist in the monthly top 100 chart. Michael gets a fair amount of streams sure enough, what I am more interested in is how many unique listeners he has. I sometimes hear about projects about fans playing his music 24/7, no wonder his streaming numbers are decent. If 10 000 fans do ts regularly, the numbers will stay high. In the grand scheme it doesn’t mean a thing, it is artificial popularity.

As for the biopic we will see how many asses it gets at the cinema. It all depends on marketing but I also wouldn’t be surprised to see calls for boycotting the film from certain groups of people.
 
filmandmusic said:
I still don’t know how highly or important I must place streaming services.
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It's very important. It's the way to hear music.
filmandmusic said:
Michael gets a fair amount of streams sure enough, what I am more interested in is how many unique listeners he has.
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I hear MJ in public, at parties, at weddings. Anywhere you go you're liable to find him.

There's only 116 fans even reading this thread. You think They times 10 alone can get MJ to 36.3 MILLION listens a month, 80th Place in the ENTIRE WORLD of Streaming? In the top 100 artists today's population listen to. You really think that's a fluke?
 
filmandmusic said:
I still don’t know how highly or important I must place streaming services. It requires no effort to click on a song and listen to it unlike calling to radio stations to get his song played or physically going out to buy his records. Who uses Spotify anyway? The demography must be very young as I almost know no artist in the monthly top 100 chart. Michael gets a fair amount of streams sure enough, what I am more interested in is how many unique listeners he has. I sometimes hear about projects about fans playing his music 24/7, no wonder his streaming numbers are decent. If 10 000 fans do ts regularly, the numbers will stay high. In the grand scheme it doesn’t mean a thing, it is artificial popularity.

As for the biopic we will see how many asses it gets at the cinema. It all depends on marketing but I also wouldn’t be surprised to see calls for boycotting the film from certain groups of people.
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Streaming services are how people listen to music nowadays. Especially young people.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
There's only 116 fans even reading this thread. You think They times 10 alone can get MJ to 36.3 MILLION listens a month, 80th Place in the ENTIRE WORLD of Streaming? In the top 100 artists today's population listen to. You really think that's a fluke?
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I think for the most part these numbers do come from organized MJ fans yes, groups of people who keep streaming the music to keep it high. The other big part is coming from playlists that get lots of streams that have added MJ music. Personally I see no reason why 16 year olds would want to listen to MJ apart from a handful of ultra popular hits.

I do not underestimate the power of his fanbase, there are millions of us and we are the main reason his numbers are still high. But like I said earlier, it are just millions, it leans nothing in a world of 8 billion people. More meaningful would be knowing how many teenagers become a fan each year.
 
filmandmusic said:
I think for the most part these numbers do come from organized MJ fans yes, groups of people who keep streaming the music to keep it high. The other big part is coming from playlists that get lots of streams that have added MJ music. Personally I see no reason why 16 year olds would want to listen to MJ apart from a handful of ultra popular hits.

I do not underestimate the power of his fanbase, there are millions of us and we are the main reason his numbers are still high. But like I said earlier, it are just millions, it leans nothing in a world of 8 billion people. More meaningful would be knowing how many teenagers become a fan each year.
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Yeah, no, MJ fans on twitter are not making millions of streams by listening to him on Spotify over and over lol.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
It's very important. It's the way to hear music.
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That’s debatable, we will have to see if Michael survives the next big shuffle in the music industry. Now it is perhaps mostly about streaming, like it was downloads before and cd sales before that etc
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
I hear MJ in public, at parties, at weddings. Anywhere you go you're liable to find him.
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I hear Barry White at weddings too and Abba but that doesn’t mean they’re still hugely popular today. They’re just part of the event. Like how drinking beer is part of the football culture. Many fans only drink beer on matchdays.
 
Another thing. There is a classic albums program on tv here weekly, it’s been going on for months. Not once have they done a show on thriller or off the wall. It are all signs of cancellation, you don‘t notice it if you don’t pay attention. It are always minorities who scream the loudest and we are a minority on our way to extinction. I think the biggest age group of MJ fans is around 30 to 50 year olds. So in about 30 to 40 years time MJ will be completely forgotten.
 
filmandmusic said:
But can you prove it ?😝
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You can't prove anyone. So if there's fans streaming MJ, then the Weeknd's fans are working even harder because he has not budged from number 1 in 2 years. So we can just assume no one actually listens to music, they just run the game up.

No one can fall in love with MJ now, it stopped after 1999 I guess. Same way they don't enjoy Invincible!

Stop the cynicism please.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
You can't prove anyone. So if there's fans streaming MJ, then the Weeknd's fans are working even harder because he has not budged from number 1 in 2 years. So we can just assume no one actually listens to music, they just run the game up.
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No it just means he has tons more fans doing the effort to keep him at nr 1, it’s a losing game for,MJ because logically speaking I think more MJ fans die each year than people becoming MJ fans so his popularity will drop. It is inevitable
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Stop the cynicism please.
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I call it realism, it depends on someone’s character how you will perceive it. I’m inclined to be pessimistic you are perhaps more optimistic. It shapes our view of things.
 
filmandmusic said:
I call it realism, it depends on someone’s character how you will perceive it. I’m inclined to be pessimistic you are perhaps more optimistic. It shapes our view of things.
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What you are forgetting is that perhaps you are confusing your own feelings of maybe being less enthused about this with how it might actually be. The truth is perhaps more likely somewhere in the middle of both of our points of views. Which is to say, just how it will be.

At the end of the day, Mike is still dead. None of it affects him now. Time forgets us all. Justice and truth survives us all. We live life, it's all we can do. We miss him and that counts for enough.
 
Last thing I want to add to strengthen my view on MJ’s declining popularity.

You won’t see this happening with the Beatles or Queen because they have an important thing going for them. Namely, they are not cancelled by media or decision makers, Michael is. So this means these guys will always be seen as legends, as game changers. Aspiring musicians will continue to name them as influences because there is no shame added to their names, getting name recognition is very important. You see how the people behind the Wembley poster didn’t add Michael. When 50 years from now people will see that poster they will not remember MJ because he is not on it.

I’m not sure when this new trial will become reality but it will be of the utmost importance of the continuation of the biopic. Lets say the MJ backlash gets epic proportions then the only logical step is to cancel the film, even if it has been fully completed it will still not be released.

The Taj doc, why isn’t it appearing? Simple because nobody wants to burn his hands on it, that is also why Taj doesn’t give us updates, he simply cannot sell it.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
What you are forgetting is that perhaps you are confusing your own feelings of maybe being less enthused about this with how it might actually be. The truth is perhaps more likely somewhere in the middle of both of our points of views. Which is to say, just how it will be.

At the end of the day, Mike is still dead. None of it affects him now. Time forgets us all. Justice and truth survives us all. We live life, it's all we can do. We miss him and that counts for enough.
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There is truth in that for sure. Which makes this discussion pointless because I won’t change my view and neither will the rest of you and that is totally fine by me.
 
filmandmusic said:
Last thing I want to add to strengthen my view on MJ’s declining popularity.

You won’t see this happening with the Beatles or Queen because they have an important thing going for them. Namely, they are not cancelled by media or decision makers, Michael is. So this means these guys will always be seen as legends, as game changers. Aspiring musicians will continue to name them as influences because there is no shame added to their names, getting name recognition is very important. You see how the people behind the Wembley poster didn’t add Michael. When 50 years from now people will see that poster they will not remember MJ because he is not on it.

I’m not sure when this new trial will become reality but it will be of the utmost importance of the continuation of the biopic. Lets say the MJ backlash gets epic proportions then the only logical step is to cancel the film, even if it has been fully completed it will still not be released.

The Taj doc, why isn’t it appearing? Simple because nobody wants to burn his hands on it, that is also why Taj doesn’t give us updates, he simply cannot sell it.
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I have to agree with pretty much all of that sadly.

The likes of Queen for example is that their popularity and legend continues to grow. They were not as big as MJ in his prime yet have somehow surpassed him now in the legend stakes.

The controversies have really hit MJ hard and when I say controversies, I'm talking the child molestation allegations.

The plastic surgery, skin colour changes and eccentric behaviour are irrelevant. It's the abuse charges that changed his career and reputation completely.

It is hard being an MJ fan. You get teased for being a nonce supporter or you love that kiddie loving freak. That's the type of abuse I've received in the past.

MJ is literally called a nonce or paedo on every single article on Facebook comments section you see. It's disgusting but that's the reality.

MJ perhaps too big to cancel but if he was alive and this stuff happened in these times his career would be dead.
 
filmandmusic said:
It just goes to show Michael has long lost his status as an icon, it is just us fans that haven’t accepted it yet but the controversies clearly won and took him down. It is only a matter of time before he gets completely erased from memory.
Don’t forget we are only a minority, maybe there are a few million of us left worldwide but we are nothing but a small statistic trying to keep a former icon alive while the rest of the world is erasing him step by step.
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Are you trying to bait? LMAO at the fact that you are talking about his "status of being a icon" erased on a DISCUSSION POST ABOUT HIS UPCOMING BIOPIC 💀💀💀💀💀

Also the OG Wembley Stadium was torn down ages ago. Who cares
 
Blues_Away2023 said:
It is hard being an MJ fan. You get teased for being a nonce supporter or you love that kiddie loving freak. That's the type of abuse I've received in the past.
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I have always been reluctant to introduce myself as an MJ fan as a kid in the 90s. To this day I don’t call myself an MJ fan in public.
Blues_Away2023 said:
MJ is literally called a nonce or paedo on every single article on Facebook comments section you see. It's disgusting but that's the reality.
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yep, it is literally everywhere, underneath every single MJ article on the web, you cannot erase that.
 
filmandmusic said:
Well it will appear in the charts because it is likely on every single halloween playlist on youtube and spotify lol
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And everybody's gonna listen. The music itself has certainly outlasted MJs darker moments.
Blues_Away2023 said:
Facebook comments section you see. It's disgusting but that's the reality.
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When isn't there a negative comment on Facebook? Real talk, literally when? Antivax news?

And MJ wanted to be a father, he wouldn't waste any time with other people's stank kids once he had his own.
 
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