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Cinzia I typed a reply to your message and sent it but right after that my cell said "your message could not be sent" so I'm not sure if it went through or not. Please let me know.

Thank you and God bless!!!
 
Sharon. Why don't you contact Thomas Meserau. He was not only Michael's attorney but his lawyer too. He also does work for free when it's for a worthwhile cause, I genuinely think he could help you. Bless you.
 
I'm sorry, we cannot discuss whether MJ is alive in the main forum area; only in the controversy area. Sharon, that may answer a lot of your problems. Because that part of the forum is open to all members, but not people on the outside, that will allow you to discuss "openly" without fear that someone on the ouside may see.

I hope you find the answers you are looking for and some kind of closure. :yes:
 
Soulmum I tried several times to speak with Mr. Mezeraux after seeing purgery committed in the court but was never able to speak with him. I was afraid at that time and never leeft specific information as to why I was trying him but after not getting a follow up call I lost heart and searched elsewhere for help but never found it.


Thanks though!

God bless!!!
 
Thanks Soulmum,

I tried to speak with Mr. Mezeraux several times after seeing purgery committed in court but he never returned my calls. I was afraid then and never left specifics of what I was calling about. I presumed he was too busy. I tried seeking help elsewhere but never found it. Thank you and God bless!!!

Thank you Ginvid for letting me know. I'm through worrying though and I refuse to be afraid any longer. My heart and mind is focussed on God's will and His only and there's no room to be afraid of what people think or what they may do. It may be difficult but prayer will strengthen me and God will keep me.

God bless!!!
 
I think the truth will come out in court and Dr Murray will get his just desserts!!
 
Hi Sharon

I can feel your pain from everything you have written, I will help in anyway I can - but as others have already said, if you know important information about what happened on/surrounding 25th June you really need to seek professional help.

I can feel your desparation and urgency to make things right and I really do believe that you are hurting through knowing things you can no longer keep in but please be careful and talk to only those you can trust. As others have said if you want to talk about how you are feeling please PM me or if you feel you want to talk about anything I will do my best to help. I love Michael with my very soul and being and would do anything to make it right - things have flt wrong for a long time now.

Take care of yourself.
Suzie
 
Thanks Suzie B, I appreciate that.

MJ~And~Me, The truth has come out and they are liars. I'm the one who knows this. I tried to make since of it all but they never made things right, they've only delayed and delayed and it seems intentional.

Please just pray for me. That's all I ask.

God bless!!!
 
Sharon B. Sidney said:
This is what you need to know, the driver that reports say took Michael to the hospital testified during preliminary hearings. After others had stated they didn't know it was Michael because he "looked like a hospice patient" or didn't see him, this man said on the witness stand that he knew it was Michael. David Walgren I believe was the attorney questioning him and asked while nodding his head asking and you knew this was Michael Jackson because you could see him clearly beside you right? The man said yes after I believe judge Pastor told him it was okay and the attorney persisted. I know for a fact that he lied because I was there that day and spoke to the driver at the hospital who asked me "who was that" and after I told him said "I was wondering who that was." Why did he lie? Why did Alberto Alverez appear to change his testimony and why did this seem toi happen after court breaks???
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I want to make sure that I understand this part correctly. You were at UCLA on June 25 and talked with the paramedic that drove the ambulance. He said he didn't know who that was and then in the court he said he knew who it was. Correct? How did you start talking with the paramedic on June 25th?
 
You understand that correctly.

I thought he was a police officer that day. I was trying to speak with security and before I left the driver had asked me those questions. I just remember standing there disheartened and him asking me "who is that" I told him it was Jackson and said please don't tell anyone. He said "I was wondering who that was." In court he claimed he could tell it was Michael because he could see him because his head was next to his driver seat. The person asking the question was nodding and saying right. It reminded me of television movies when another attorney would say objection leading but no one one did. I think the judge may have said it's okay or something that day as the man looked a bit flustered. He then agreed to the questions being asked. You knew that was Michael that day. You could see him from where you were seated. You could tell it was him because you were closest to him and so on but he lied. I know he couldn't tell because not only did he ask me who it was he verified he didn'[t know by saying "I was wondering who that was" after I had told him.
 
I told him it was Michael Jackson. I had presumed it was him because it was not his children and his security followed the ambulance. At some point I likely knew the age of the person. I didn't think his security would try to shield the ambulance nor follow it to the hospital if it were a worker.
 
do you remember the time this conversation happened?
 
Okay, I googled who do you report perjury to and and got a number of suggestions ranging from the D.A. who I'm not sure can be trusted, to a grand jury if one is in session, some also said police department, attorney general, judge and attorney's involved. Should I just type up a letter and send it out to all of them after making a trip to the police station? That's what I'm thinking of doing. Would they even consider it relevant or care enough about Michael to look into things?
 
Ivy I approached them as they were wheeling someone in with jackets held up to block the paparazis. I tried to speak with one security guard who was busy yelling, then to Amir and Faheem but they wouldn't really talk as I turned from them the driver was there still and asked me those questions before I left the area.
 
As you might know I'm a pretty logical and realistic person. Granted I do not have the first hand experiences that you have.

The thing is are you sure it's perjury? You assume that he was lying in the courtroom but what about lying to you outside the hospital? I've been trying to understand the event better. He's a paramedic and patient privacy law would apply to him and he wouldn't be in the position to disclose the patients identity to you. Can you be sure that he really didn't know who it was or as he couldn't tell the name of the patient he asked you "who is it?" to get you say it instead of him?

and why is the left outside? I thought he said he took Michael into UCLA ER and bagging him the whole time and then restocking and even went into the ER to get his items back when they were working on Michel? To me it doesn't seem like he stayed behind. Are we talking about the same paramedic?
 
Hello Sharon,
I think people may think of perjuring themselves in court for all sorts of reasons, eg to prevent themselves from looking 'stupid' (if you thought people were thinking ' how could you not know it was MJ when everyone else did', or even in some misguided way to 'protect' MJs privacy . Either way, perjury is a big thing to suggest, especially if letters go out to all sorts of people, as you don't want to risk being accused of libel. I would probably limit any letters to a very few highly placed people above the DA.

On the other matter, (which is not really for discussion in this thread), you would expect to be challenged about such things as the autopsy report, the children having seen their father in hospital afterwards etc, and I think any mention of this side of the controversy may potentially undermine your case about perjury...as th letter recipient may feel that you are 'trying to make a case' rather than listening with an open mind. I hope you forgive me for being very 'matter of fact'...I don't mean this to say that I don't hear what you have to say, only that I think you need to be careful how you approach any letters and how much of your views you put forward.
 
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Ivy I could tell from the way he asked me that he didn't know. There was also someone else who lied on the stand concerning that day. Trust me something is seriously wrong. The week I witnessed all of this I think I wound up sleeping for a total of seven hours or less because of a mixture of fear and excitement that led me to what seemed to be concrete indications that Michael was still alive. As I've tried to make since of things what seemed logical is that he was kidnapped by a group of individuals working together. If Murray had given Michael an overdose and there was nothing more to this I concluded others wouldn't need to be involved. I don't think the ambulance driver was involved but I wondered if he was threatened to lie because he looked really concerned before making his statement. Are the transcripts from preliminary hearings here? I know they shut them down at one point in court so I don't know if anyone was able to get them. I was told we couldn't get them per testimony but only for the whole day.

myosotis others testified that they didn't know who it was either. I know he lied. It's not libel.

Before I forget, Ivy I spoke to one of Michael's security officers then spoke to the two. My back was briefly turned to him. He was present when I spoke with the first security and when I turned away from the two. I later asked someone working with the hospital where the police officer was who was out front and was told it was the ambulance driver. I explained he was a black mail and what he was wearing and was agin told it was the ambulance driver. She said there was not a police officer there then and told me the man I was talking to went around to the side to do something with his equipment. I forget her exact words. I had wanted to ask him a question thinking he was a police officer and when she said that I was just confused because he looked like a police officer to me and presumed she was wrong.

Someone else lied on the stand. I'm not going to talk about that now. I really don't know what to do because it's almost too much. Knowing so much and wondering who would believe me and how could it help...

Please keep praying.

God bless!!!
 
Here are some things that has happened in the court room:

People lied on the witness stand concerning June 25th.

The transcripts have been redacted, altered and inaccesible.

People have altered their statements in testimony.

Surveilance tapes have in essence dissapeared. The prosecution at one point stated they had more than the defense but not the 24hrs. it would capture yet as far as I recall they have not to date given the defense the extra 9 or 10 minutes they stated they had more than the defense.

They chose one of if not the smallest room in the courthouse to have the hearings which limitted both media and public. They did not make it apparent that they had an overflow room for the media and after I started letting other people with the media know they closed it down. To me it seems like there is a huge cover up and that the less people are there the easier it is for them to keep it hidden. I don't think they want Michael's fans or the media there. I think it's possible that people were paid off or threatened.
 
This thread is troubling on a number of levels, and Sharon, I really do hope you are ok? First, I really don't think this is the place to discuss "Michael is alive hoax theory." There is NO proof, or factual material, leading to that conclusion. I DO believe that you spoke with the driver, and that you perceived that his story had changed. There is no way to know/prove if he lied to YOU, or in the courtroom, so perjury is not something that can be proven?

Secondly, you seem to think your life is in danger. If you really DO know things that would help justice for Michael, the last place you should be discussing that is on a PUBLIC board -- if you think your knowledge puts you at risk. There is nothing anyone here can do for you but emotional support and wish you the best.

You cannot possibly know that "going to the police would do no good," until/unless you actually TRY. If you think risk is involved, that is no more risky than the very public statements you've already made here! If you have genuine knowledge, then I suggest you write it up in a logical way, and take it to someone who can help. An attorney, or the D.A., or someone.
 
Proof should be available concerning the lies. I just don't know who to give it to. I tried to reach out to people when I witnessed the lying but I never got to freely speak with anyone. I was too afraid to say anything on the phone, not only for my safety but if I was right and Michael alive then I thought I needed to be sure to get this information to someone to help him. I hoped to speak with his family but never got the opportunity. I tried to get his dad to meet with me but he's been too busy. I asked his mom to call but had she tried my number has changed. I don't know her new address and they hadn't been to court for a while. Everything I tried went no where and I'm highly concerned members of police could be involved. I'm even worried about the D.A. This is huge and if I die, the information could die with me. I've wondered to what extent would people who have gone to such efforts to plot this go. Would they want to kill me to keep me silent I don't know but if I let you all know then the truth will be out there.

The other things I haven't mentioned are very important and can likely be verified.

Michael was taken from us but I don't think they took his life. I've wondered if the drug concoction Murray gave was like the stuff they say they give people in Africa to make them seem dead medically and physically. I think they call it the zombie drug. They have burried people alive with this. If it was a plot to kidnap him then they could have drugged him, placed a body there instead of Michael to make certain there was no possibility that he could wake up while in transport and say anything then have him looking dead at the hospital for everyone in the family to view his body and take him away somewhere. It sounds far fetched I know but that's about the closest thing that makes since. For people to lie the way they did, him not be recognized etc. shows there was a cover up. If they killed him they wouldn't need people to lie. Do you understand?
 
Ashtanga it's possible because it happened.

Autumn, I know it's dangerous to be writing all of this here. I've just been pretty hurt, confused and desperate for a while now. I'm at the point that I don't care what happens to me and just mainly want to get the information out so even if something does happen people will know the truth and keep seeking it.

I'm now praying about going to the police and trying to think of a way to voice my concerns and inform them of what transpired. If the D.A. is involved I'm not sure how local police can help or if they would. This is huge and I need to go beyond the police department and at best it would be outside of L.A. county. Someone needs to look into everything that has been happening in the courtroom. All of the transcripts and into everything. I don't think my voice at this point is loud enough to make them do that. I feel we need though. That we need to demand the investigators in the case be investigated.

In addition to the things I posted above remember:

Detectives refused to take statements from Michael's security.

Those who searched the premises failed to locate the items Murray had Alvarez conceal.

Evidence was not properly tested in a timely manner and I'm sure the list goes on and on.

I need help and that's mostly prayer. If God guides me to go to the police I will. I'm just waiting on the Holy Spirit's guidance.

We all need to come together and get this message out somehow. One voice will fade but if I can let others know and we demand they be investigated eventually someone will look if not for the simple act of shutting us up.
 
If anyone tried to message me recently my inbox was full. I just deleted a few messages and will go back and delete some more now. Sorry.
 
U know I'm here for u Sharon. :) I think it is odd that the Driver would even ask u who it was he was driving in the first place if u never even ask him anything to begin with?!
 
I'm sure he had to be curious after the paparazi and all. He saw me speaking with the security people SO FOR SOMEONE WHO DIDN'T KNOW IT WASN'T AN ODD QUESTION, if he knew then that would be odd. I honestly don't think he knew.
 
Sharon B. Sidney;3373234 said:
Some strange things seemed to happen at the preliminary hearings... I recall seeing Alberto Alverez take the stand, give an account of some things - the court take a recess and then when the session would continue it was as if his statement changed dramatically. I thought it was peculiar and confusing. Very confusing. I wondered why when an attorney asked him what he recalled or noticed when entering a room lacked so much originally yet after a recess seemed to grow in his depiction yet if what he was saying was true how could it have been left out of his original statement...

This is what you need to know, the driver that reports say took Michael to the hospital testified during preliminary hearings. After others had stated they didn't know it was Michael because he "looked like a hospice patient" or didn't see him, this man said on the witness stand that he knew it was Michael. David Walgren I believe was the attorney questioning him and asked while nodding his head asking and you knew this was Michael Jackson because you could see him clearly beside you right? The man said yes after I believe judge Pastor told him it was okay and the attorney persisted. I know for a fact that he lied because I was there that day and spoke to the driver at the hospital who asked me "who was that" and after I told him said "I was wondering who that was." Why did he lie? Why did Alberto Alverez appear to change his testimony and why did this seem toi happen after court breaks???


I was told that the prosecution got rid of all twelve expert witnesses they planned to produce during trial. If that is true then why? Are they trying to cover their tracks?
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Sharon, I cannot see any peculiar thing in these three details you mention to support your hypotheses.

- Alberto testimony apparent changes as you point out have to do with being questioned whether by the prosecution or the defense. You can check it in the notes from Trials & Tribulations. http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2011/01/dr-conrad-murray-prelim-quick-links.html
That's all. His testimony was "complicated" in a way, since it was him the one that "helped" (unawared) Murray to "hide" medical evidence, though he assumed he was just putting things into a bag to be carried to hospital and he was only following the doctor's instructions at the time.
His position was "delicate", from a legal point of view technically he could be presented as something else by the defense...

But I cannot see any strange thing you are implying.

- About the paramedic driver, again I cannot see any strange thing. He was not obliged to tell you who the patient was. In fact, provided it was really him the person who spoke to you, I considere his a clever comment so as to avoid the media... (he didn't know who you were).

Again, from the notes from the preliminary:
"While working on the patient, Blount heard that it was Michael Jackson and he recognized him as Michael Jackson. At the hospital, he was at the location, restocking his equipment. He then asked a nurse to locate a piece of equipment. Briefly saw the doctors working on Michael Jackson. Dr. Murray was in there with the doctor’s while they continued to work on Michael Jackson."

- About the prosecution withnesses changes, what I know is that they will include 3 new ones to debunk the drinking of propofol defense hypotheses, something prosecutors did not know would be the defense main theory till the preliminary. Though the defense had gone after it since 23rd August 2010 when they first asked for the re-testing of amounts of fluids in the syringes.

- About the purchasing of transcriptions it's the usual policy as it appears in lasuperiorcourt.com and no links are allowed. One can only summarize them...

Sharon, take good care but be realistic... sometimes emotions are so strong that prevent us from accepting plain facts as cruel and hard as they are... and make us get the wrong impressions.
 
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Sharon, you seem to be a very deeply religious person that feels guided by the Holy Spirit and your reports from the Muray proceedings have been nothing short of valuable. .. But, please, please.. stop hurting yourself and others in the process with this falsity, with this death hoax suspicions that seem to have arrived to cloud your judgement seriously. I'm aware, as I'm sure others are, that the judicial system is a corrupt one, and how Michael's allegations of child abuse were planned and brought to court in an attempt to ruin him as a person and his credibility, and how the pedophile mafia concocted all this with their money-hungry tools of families. And not to mention this whole Murray case being really strange, that his defense must be paying real hard left and right to buy this 'doctor's freedom. ... But you can't expect people to believe Michael got kidnapped based on off things that could point to other more believable, realistic scenarios. ..

I just want to say just how alike can the feelings or energy from the Holy Spirit you are mentioning oftentimes be, and the ones given off by the devil himself. ..He's a master deceiver, a master confuser and a very skilled force to mess with a person's psyche. Unless you are completely certain of the incredibly shocking things you are bringing up, preferably hard evidence of such, please continue to pray to God to enlighten you and guide you and that the other 'illuminated' force doesn't (continue) to misguide you and play God's role -- one that is undoubtedly very dangerous and counterprodutive. For everybody. ...

Michael's children have seen his lifeless body in that coffin before his memorial service (sorry for the extreme description..) and cried for him. LaToya said even that his daughter placed a couple of stones on his chest and a half-heart of a neck chain. ..Jermaine also saw him and described his beautiful face. LaToya also saw him, Michael Bush, etc..They describes the clothing they buried him in, which was white..Etc. ...

Please, bear in this mind, that his children and family (yes, the family very many are criticizing, but ho must be hurting in their own way for Michael, and who definitely do..) could not be actors in such a brutal scenario and play with everyone else but hiding a secret. Pray.. I don't know what else to be adding right now, so I'll just cut this short. ..


Edit: I really can feel your pain and desperation. .. And I will pray for you. As a strong believer in God, I believe Him deeply and I pray that more souls on this Earth, including mine, a troubled one, could find more peace and clarity and... again clarity in Him. Deep down, and based on the many inconsistencies Muray related and June 25-related that you've also been bringing up, I know that what went on June 25 wasn't an accident, as well as others do know. I also am inclined to think Murray was either high on drugs that day, or was/is a microchipped person (yes, there are such people, one hint would be the CIA and that's enough..), programmed to be this incompetent, this stupid, apparently emotionless as well, and other such attributes.. Especially in the latest months of Michael's life, I won't details on here the hell I've felt daily, because of witnessing how Michael's world was hindered and endangered at every step by most revolving around him, and how everybody was fighting to get a piece of him and were suing him almost on a weekly basis... The forces of evil surrounding him were so thick you could cut them with a saw. Apparently still are. ..

You have to also eliminate this theory from your mind: that Michael is in hiding. This has been said far too many times, but never gets too often reiterated. Michael would never endanger the lives of his 3 children and leave them alone physically all this time, and exposed to the scrutiny they've been exposed to, regardless of him being in danger. He'd give up his life for them than have them go through something like that. ..

I don't even know what else to add... Following June 25, my being diagnosed with severe depression and still seeking treatment for it don't do me, and others that are still traumatized any good. In fact, much worse... Because, all freaky thoughts are getting installed in the brain, all freaky scenarios once again, and this builts up panic in the end, and in an incapacity to think more logically. ... But please, if you can contact the Jackson family physically, and ask them whether they saw Michael dead or not, for real or not, because that would close all the chapters to this harmful story for some people hurting the way you do and feeling as confused and terrified as you do...

Again, I don't know what to add... Except for that, once I calm down, I'll start praying for you and other troubled souls to get closure and the right, exact answers... I just can't help but smelling something very foul in all this, and this has to do with, as I said before, the devil wanting from some to start losing contact with reality and become irrational, panicky, thus inefficient and petrified and drawn back, stagnating. ... ): One other thing you must keep in mind, one from which I could write books about, based on my own experiences. You know, God never creates this kind of fear in us, this kind of counterproductive emotions of fear and petrification that render us unable to act anything but desperate. That is the evil one's doing. The fear in/of the Lord is one of respect and depth and force that is not weakening to us, but the complete opposite. At the beginning, we are perceiving it to be frightening, because of our limitted human ways of perception, but, in time, we'll be taking it for what it is: a benediction.

Try to stay away from this forum and all things Michael/Murray trial for a couple of days, and retreat in a corner of introspection, of prayer and meditation even, or even go to church, but try to calm down at first, because being petrified will prevent you from getting any kind of answer, but more fear -- again, the weapon of evil. Once you do it, try to contact the family again, and ask them that simple question and make sure you get the answer that can ultimately put you at ease. Also try to read some Bible lines.. Take a walk down a park, look up at night, in that overwhelmingly comforting silence and don't even ask a thing. God's always knowing our questions or needs anyway. I'm not even advising you to contact the LAPD or the FBI, not to mention President Obama --mark these words and history's facts: they aren't trustworthy and won't care about these kinds of 'ramblings'. Also, bare in mind that every day, we're being influenced by something around us that we don't even get to see: such as wave lengths, electronic devices and other hideous silent weapons of this kind, which are also contributing to similar reactions of this kind. Be aware and be wary!...


K..I'll close this for now... *sighs*...
 
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smoothlugar;3374480 said:
Sharon, I cannot see any peculiar thing in these three details you mention to support your hypotheses.

- Alberto testimony apparent changes as you point out have to do with being questioned whether by the prosecution or the defense. You can check it in the notes from Trials & Tribulations. http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2011/01/dr-conrad-murray-prelim-quick-links.html
That's all. His testimony was "complicated" in a way, since it was him the one that "helped" (unawared) Murray to "hide" medical evidence, though he assumed he was just putting things into a bag to be carried to hospital and he was only following the doctor's instructions at the time.
His position was "delicate", from a legal point of view technically he could be presented as something else by the defense...

But I cannot see any strange thing you are implying.

- About the paramedic driver, again I cannot see any strange thing. He was not obliged to tell you who the patient was. In fact, provided it was really him the person who spoke to you, I considere his a clever comment so as to avoid the media... (he didn't know who you were).

Again, from the notes from the preliminary:
"While working on the patient, Blount heard that it was Michael Jackson and he recognized him as Michael Jackson. At the hospital, he was at the location, restocking his equipment. He then asked a nurse to locate a piece of equipment. Briefly saw the doctors working on Michael Jackson. Dr. Murray was in there with the doctor’s while they continued to work on Michael Jackson."

- About the prosecution withnesses changes, what I know is that they will include 3 new ones to debunk the drinking of propofol defense hypotheses, something prosecutors did not know would be the defense main theory till the preliminary. Though the defense had gone after it since 23rd August 2010 when they first asked for the re-testing of amounts of fluids in the syringes.

- About the purchasing of transcriptions it's the usual policy as it appears in lasuperiorcourt.com and no links are allowed. One can only summarize them...

Sharon, take good care but be realistic... sometimes emotions are so strong that prevent us from accepting plain facts as cruel and hard as they are... and make us get the wrong impressions.
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Agree, Smoothlugar... *says hi to you..*
 
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