LMP on Oprah 21/10/10 All Discussion Here - UPDATE Video's Start On Page 63

[8701girl]

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that's what I'm thinking.. The need for attention.. Since the US doesn't care that she moved to London, maybe she wants to promote herself by showing her house and family and letting folks know she's in London because she hates LA ( LOL...) Who knows, but I find it strange that she would now want to discuss MJ but when he was living she acted embarrassed and disgusted and didn't want to mention his name.

Thats what i find confusing her " i hate mj" one min then " i love him" the next ..its so just ughhh


So does she live permantly in england now?

 

[michaelsson]

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Well, whatever happened during that night, Michael himself misused drugs. He knew about the propofol, it's RISKS, and all the other drugs. He said to many people in the past he fears the drugs will kill him because any smart person knows a human being is not made for any kind of drugs. Fans have to admit that about Michael because it's not even rare in show business. You don't even have to take amazing amounts of drugs but if you take them constantly without the real reason or can't fully get rid of them, it's misusing.. Or if you just have to use some drugs you have to understand you won't last forever like you were before the use. Normal dosages of many drugs harm you all the time (physically or mentally) if you use them constantly. I'm sorry but I think even thou Michael could have made the O2 concerts his dancing career has started coming towards the end. He knew it himself and didn't plan touring and dancing forever. He actually never wanted to tour that much he did because it was the job that kills you. It was just his job he had to do and that's also why he is the King Of Pop. He always said (already after the Bad Tour) his tour might be the last one. And he was only around 30 years old during Bad. Many people thought that's kinda marketing to say like that, but he really thought so. Dancing like Michael since a little kid just doesn't predict the longest life for you the more you continue it. That's a fact. That's why it would have been better for Michael's own health and personal life just to retire when he was around 40 years old. I don't mean he was losing his abilities, that was not the case. But the health should come first. It's different if you start your career when you're 18 or 20, but Michael had already danced and toured around 15 years by then. And he also had minor diseases. We would still have him if he had retired, but it's just that performers and especially dancers are born to perform so many don't fully think retiring ever. Michael performed like at least twice that much than many others so considering his life lasted 50 years is actually kinda long time... Peace and L.O.V.E...

(and preventing misunderstandings I want to add that I meant retiring from the tour life and dancing like that.. not from singing or anything else in music..)

You're comparing a drug addict, who died of a self inflicted overdose..... to a man who wanted nothing but 2sleep? A man who was given the drug by a "doctor" A man who was told he would be ok aslong as some1 monitored him as he "slept"? Where is the logic? Michaels cause of death was acute propofol intoxication, there is a DIFFERENCE, nothing 2 compare.

 

[8701girl]

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You're comparing a drug addict, who died of a self inflicted overdose..... to a man who wanted nothing but 2sleep? A man who was given the drug by a "doctor" A man who was told he would be ok aslong as some1 monitored him as he "slept"? Where is the logic? Michaels cause of death was acute propofol intoxication, there is a DIFFERENCE, nothing 2 compare.

Excatly!

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

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Unfortunately,

I didn't find her blog to be sincere. She said way too many damaging things over the years for that blog to be sincere. I found it rather fake and self-serving myself, and I don't trust her at all talking to Oprah about Mike. Her blog should've been enough, there is no need to talk about MJ to Oprah

Going on Oprah could be intentional, since Oprah is so 'big' and watched by MANY...also Oprah talked crap about Michael. Maybe she wants to set this straight.

And i know LMP went on talkshows and talked negative about their relationship, but she never said anything referring to child molestation, she always denied any of that and only said positive things about how he was with children. Correct me if i'm wrong . I also believe during that time..they were not friends and not seeing eachother. They were in a argument of some sort. And again...correct me if i'm wrong, but in the end, didn't they remain friends?

 

[michaelsson]

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the idiocracy in this thread...chile...let me go lol

 

[Ashtanga]

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[Topflux]

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Topflux can present some documents to show Michael gave you a reason as to why he chose to perform at the O2? I do not mean opinions from the media or people on TV. I want real facts. This will help me to understand your post better.

You know I don't have any kind of 'documents'. I think it will be revealed later. It must be really complicated. BIG troubles...

 

[ginvid]

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Going on Oprah could be intentional, since Oprah is so 'big' and watched by MANY...also Oprah talked crap about Michael. Maybe she wants to set this straight.

And i know LMP went on talkshows and talked negative about their relationship, but she never said anything referring to child molestation, she always denied any of that and only said positive things about how he was with children. Correct me if i'm wrong . I also believe during that time..they were not friends and not seeing eachother. They were in a argument of some sort. And again...correct me if i'm wrong, but in the end, didn't they remain friends?

Actually Lisa said she never saw anything that would make her think he molested children. But, she added, I don't know. I just don't know".


Also, can we stop all of the drug abuse talk. The autopsy report answered this for the time of his death. To continually demean MJ in order to make someone else seem relevant will not be tolerated. Why do we have to keep reminding people that this is an MJ board? Do not put MJ down just to try to reconcile what Lisa did?

We have not seen the interview yet. Let's not put words in Lisa's mouth. The interview has not even aired yet. The last thread on this topic was closed down because of all of this nonsense. Let's not let it happen again.

 

[8701girl]

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Lisa shuld keep her mouth shut about drugs because she just will help to build Murray's defence.

That is what im afraid of

 

[BubblesLuvsMichael]

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I'm not sure what to expect when this is aired, so before I decide to make my last and final opinion on both LMP & Oprah I'll see what I think of this interview first

 

[Topflux]

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Actually Lisa said she never saw anything that would make her think he molested children. But, she added, I don't know. I just don't know".


Also, can we stop all of drug abuse talk. The autopsy report answered this for the time of his death. To continually demean MJ in order to make someone else seem relevant will not be tolerated. Why do we have to keep reminding people that this is an MJ board? Do not put MJ down just to try to reconcile what Lisa did?

We have not seen the interview yet. Let's not put words in Lisa's mouth. The interview has not even aired yet. The last thread on this topic was closed down because of all of this nonsense. Let's not let it happen again.

? If she said I don't know it doesn't mean she thought Michael could have done something. It's Lisa's way to answer she doesn't know if she want to leave the conversation. It's like 'I don't know (what to say)'.

 

[AngieJ]

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Whatever Mrs Lockwood say it's not important. She's hasn't been close to MJ in over 15 years. She had no clue what was going on in his life, and according to her she detached herself and wanted nothing to do with him. What I don't understand is why she feels the need to now talk about MJ since he's gone? There is nothing to clarify because he hasn't said a word about her in over 13 years. It's not like the media is knocking down her door to ask her questions about him, so why would she even do this interview? She said what she needed to say in her blog and that should've been the end of it.

So what does she need to explain? the sunflowers, the visits to his tomb? I am just really confused as to why she wants to talk about this

I don't get why you keep saying this. You're not exactly one of those fans that pays her no attention, so why would her speaking out bother you this much?

 

[love is magical]

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It's ironic that we have to defend Michael in his own fan community.

It's ironic that some would rather show Lisa Marie Presley more compassion than they do to Michael, while Michael was the one who suffered excruciating pain to bring joy to the world.

It's ironic that Michael could be so misunderstood even by his own fans.

It's ironic that some here could confuse "accute propofol intoxication" with "drug overdose".

It's ironic that some here don't even bother reading the autopsy report.

It's ironic that some here could try everything they can to bring down Michael to justify Lisa Marie Presley's inappopriate inteviews in 2005, a time when Michael was literally fighting for his life.

It's ironic that some of us are perceived as "Lisa Marie Presely hater" or negative, while we simply had problems with her inconsiderate actions and words in 2005. As far as I know, no one here called her names.

I don't expect to educate people here facts and truth about Michael Jackson becasue I expect more from my fellow fans. For goodness sake, this is his fan community. I would expect fans here have done research on the man and know not to buy into twisted stories from the media.

If you are really a fan of Michael Jackson, please, I beg you, please stop the Elvis Presley bullshit. It's really hurtful to read some of the posts in this thread.

I don't go to TMZ or any other tabloid sites becasue I can't handle the level of ignorance by narrow minded people. And, please think twice before you want to smear Michael's name. Please try to understand Michael before you judge him. I beg you.

 

[Topflux]

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I'm fully with Lisa and I also understood Michael. I just don't understand why fans are mad if Lisa was pissed of when Michael decided to have children with Debbie. She has rights to be pissed off as much as Michael had rights to pissed off Lisa didn't want to have children with him. Imo Michael should have understood better Lisa had years left to have children. I think if they had been longer together Lisa would have had children. She was aware what happened with her first marriage. So I fully understand Lisa and she has also all the rights tell about her relationship and life with Michael. Lisa is a nice person. Michael wouldn't have married someone who is not nice. She's one of the nicest. And also smart enough.

 

[love is magical]

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I'm fully with Lisa and I also understood Michael. I just don't understand why fans are mad if Lisa was pissed of when Michael decided to have children with Debbie. She has rights to be pissed off as much as Michael had rights to pissed off Lisa didn't want to have children with him. Imo Michael should have understood better Lisa had years left to have children. I think if they had been longer together Lisa would have had children. She was aware what happened with her first marriage. So I fully understand Lisa and she has also all the rights tell about her relationship and life with Michael. Lisa is a nice person. Michael wouldn't have married someone who is not nice. She's one of the nicest. And also smart enough.

Do you know Michael Jackson personally? Were you in his bedroom when he was married to Lisa Marie Presley? Who give you the right to say "Michael should have understood better"? No one here has right to comment on their marriage.

Also, do you know Lisa Maire Presley personally? How do you know she's a nice person. How do you know she's one of the nicest? How do you know she's also smart enough?

Can we just be indifferent? Can we just not love her? We don't hate her, but we don't love her.

Now, would you really stop bringing down Michael?

 

[Asedora]

I wonder why my post about Elvis and Lisa’s wrong decision of talking about drugs to Oprah was deleted but ppl in this thread STILL continue talking about drugs? Sorry mods, it is not fair.

 

[Topflux]

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Can't we just wait and see what Lisa has to say on Thursday and end this stupid conversation? It's not going anywhere..

 

[love is magical]

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Well, I can guarantee I was not in their bedroom. :lol: Why should I've been in the bedroom? We know otherwise Michael and Lisa separated in the fall of 1995 just because Michael wanted to have children really soon and Lisa didn't because the marriage was iho too fresh. She was afraid of the marriage because of what had happened to her before. What is so hard to understand in that case because it was in the end the only reason they divorced.. That's why it's actually pretty sad, too. They were like made for each other.

I am not begging you to love Lisa. Just to understand. Many comments seem like you hate like she's just full of shit, liar, bitter or whatever.. She's more like sad about what happened then, and what happened later..

Oh boy... how many times I have to declare that I don't hate her!!!!!!!!!!! Did I call her names? Did I bash her? Did I say something that is inappropriate?

I understand she must also be hurt from her failed marriage with Michael. That's why I never said a word regarding their marriage. Unlike you, I don't pretend to understand what really happened in their marriage and what caused the divorce. I don't want to speculate. It's something that should be kept private.

What bothers me and most of us here are the interviews she did back in 2005. During a time when Michael was literally fighting for his life, a time he's defending 14 criminal charges against him, his ex-wife said somthing that was very ambiguous on national TV for her own selfish reasons. Keep in mind, the inteviews were conducted more than 9 years after the divorce. The interviews portrayed Michael very negatively. In response, Michael just wished Lisa Marie Presley all the best in the world.

Now, would you please tell me how you know LMP is a very nice person? How you know she's also smart enough?

 

[love is magical]

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Can't we just wait and see what Lisa has to say on Thursday and end this stupid conversation? It's not going anywhere..

I have never put words in her mouth. My attitude on the upcoming LMP interview with Oprah has always been "wait and see".

It's you who can't wait to defend her.

And, no, this conversation is not stupid. It's interesting to see how people want to end a conversation when they find they cannot further substain their arguments.

 

[bgz]

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Sometimes it's very hard to determine the extent of pain/happiness anyone else has experienced in their life, and how it will manifest itself in behavior.

I'm not in support of LMP, nor a hater. Life throws things at people that are more than just a little traumatic. I can't sit in judgement of what feelings MJ and LMP had, nor how I would react if I were in their shoes. Inappropriate reactions can sometimes reflect the anger and hurt that has been experienced from their whole life experience, on both sides.

I think Michael handled things diplomatically, Lisa, not so much at all in many instances. Do I hate her for it, no. Everyone of us is the product of our environment, surroundings, and upbringing. Not an excuse, but defintely something that happens to people of all walks of life, rich/poor, educated or not, etc.

Should she shut up? I would say yes if it's strickly r/t their relationship. But if she were to speak out about the relationship as totally positive, would we then want to hear what she had to say? Would we then hang on every word she said?

Ultimately, and this is jmo, I have to just see the entire picture, the personalities, the upbringing, the people "whispering" in each others ears, the potential for familial envolments when it shouldn't always be there. Michael and Lisa as a couple were up against many odds, despite what they may have truly felt for each other. And no matter how much we may hate on Lisa, or how much we love Michael, it's quite possible they had something that was something very special, but could never survive.

Do I think Michael and Lisa had a very special love for each other? Yes. How realistic or mature, up for grabs. Should LMP/Oprah be discussing the marriage once again? Depends upon how realistic the interview goes, does the audience want to only know the negative or the positive? Should LMP just deny any interviews forever in r/t Michael. I do believe she has in insideder's view, should she speak to correct misinformation, does she have her own agenda, does Oprah have only one agenda, ie bringing in viewers, etc.

We will see-

 

[Petrarose]

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I am not attacking anyone so why 'defending'.

And one word about the drugs.
Imo the propofol intoxication IS a drug overdose if it's used at home secretly where it's not allowed AT ALL. It doesn't make Michael a drug addict in case he wasn't but it's a drug overdose. Michael knew well he is taking propofol and he must have known what it is because he was smart.

Sigh, Sigh, sigh. TOPFLUX, if you were following the thread on the autopsy report, you will know that there are instances in which that drug is used outside of the hospital setting, so saying it is Not Allowed At All is incorrect. Anyway the thread is about Lisa on Oprah and fans are concerned that Oprah schedule the interview when there is a topic of molestation for that week. Most fans' concerns are not weather Lisa is nice or not, although some feel that since her last interviews were negative they cannot understand what else she can say, but rather, the connection between talking about Michael during a week when topics being discussed focus on molestation. What do you think Oprah's viewers' thoughts would be when they see this connection. Remember fans of Oprah usually look at her shows regularly. Let's keep to the topic now.

 

[Topflux]

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Oh boy... how many times I have to declare that I don't hate her!!!!!!!!!!! Did I call her names? Did I bash her? Did I say something that is inappropriate?

I understand she must also be hurt from her failed marriage with Michael. That's why I never said a word regarding their marriage. Unlike you, I don't pretend to understand what really happened in their marriage and what caused the divorce. I don't want to speculate. It's something that should be kept private.

What bothers me and most of us here are the interviews she did back in 2005. During a time when Michael was literally fighting for his life, a time he's defending 14 criminal charges against him, his ex-wife said somthing that was very ambiguous on national TV for her own selfish reasons. Keep in mind, the inteviews were conducted more than 9 years after the divorce. The interviews portrayed Michael very negatively. In response, Michael just wished Lisa Marie Presley all the best in the world.

Now, would you please tell me how you know LMP is a very nice person? How you know she's also smart enough?

I recognize when a person is nice and smart, I think..?

 

[Memefan]

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Round and round...what about waiting for the actual interview?

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[janena]

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I dont think its a good idea to do this interview (with Oprah, of all people!) but i have no ill feeling for Lisa. its obvious that at one time they were in love....the both of them.
I think she never stopped loving him but things happened that made her feel so angry or hurt that she publically bashed him for years...
We werent there, we dont know what happened. Both Michael an Lisa are human and humans make mistakes...


I will watch the interview and see what she has to say first and then form an opinion about it.

 

[StacyJ]

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All I have to say is this interview is very unnecessary. I'm not sure why Lisa wants to discuss MJ and I'm not sure why Oprah does either, but whatever the reason I hope these two remember that MJ has 3 kids and to smear and disrespect a dead man on national television is not cool at all..

 

[gerryevans]

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I'm fully with Lisa and I also understood Michael. I just don't understand why fans are mad if Lisa was pissed of when Michael decided to have children with Debbie. She has rights to be pissed off as much as Michael had rights to pissed off Lisa didn't want to have children with him. Imo Michael should have understood better Lisa had years left to have children. I think if they had been longer together Lisa would have had children. She was aware what happened with her first marriage. So I fully understand Lisa and she has also all the rights tell about her relationship and life with Michael. Lisa is a nice person. Michael wouldn't have married someone who is not nice. She's one of the nicest. And also smart enough.

Fans are not mad at Lisa because she was pissed with Michael. They're mad because of the two people in that apparently non-perfect union, one never said anything disparaging about the other. And one P U B L I C L Y pissed all over the other one...and at a time when he literally was in a fight for his life.

And why did Lisa choose to speak publicly about her marriage when she did? Because she was promoting albums, and musically, the most interesting thing about her is her daddy and Michael Joseph Jackson.

I give Lisa all kind of understanding. But the 4-time-married-before-40-manipulated-victim is full of it (I'm just saying full of "it" instead of "bullsh!t" here because I'm trying to exercise some restraint until after this Thursday interview, which I'm hoping won't be as self serving and disrepectful as the other time she was with her cackling buddy, Oprah)

 

[~* White Chocolate *~]

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Wow, certain people in this thread have truly shown their ignorance. All I'll say is read the damn autopsy report and stop believing all the negative BS and falsehoods being perpetuated by certain supposedly "close" people to Michael, even though the facts prove them to have been anything but. Once and for all, MICHAEL WAS NOT A DRUG ADDICT WHO SUFFERED THROUGH YEARS OF ADDICTION AS CERTAIN FAMILY MEMBERS AND PEOPLE LIKE LMP HAVE ALLEDGED! THE AUTOPSY REPORT AND MEDICAL FACTS PROVE IT! ALL HE WANTED WAS SLEEP! NO ONE CAN EVEN BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND THE SH*T HE'S BEEN THROUGH IN HIS LIFE, NOT EVEN HIS SO-CALLED CLOSE NIT FAMILY! THEY HAVE NO FLIPPN' IDEA! THE MAN HAD AN ISSUE SLEEPING, ONE CAN ONLY WONDER WHY?! HE WAS NOT A DRUG ADDICT! If after this last year, with the autopsy report being fully available to anyone who wants to read it, people STILL DONT GET THAT or who REFUSE to accept it, that's on them and truly shows how ignorant and blind they are in this matter. My whole concern has always been for the TRUTH, no matter what it is, and it p*sses me off when lies are being perpetuated as the truth. Anyway I got off topic, and mods I sincerely apologize for that. Sorry, don't mean to make your job hard, I know it can be.

As for the topic at hand, I'm done with the topic of LMP and all her BS, and YES WHAT SHE HAS SAID IN THE PAST HAS BEEN BS. Just go back and read my first post on the topic. I don't need to hear if what she has to say is positive or not, because I don't believe her either way, her contradictions and how she at his ultimate time of need was so cruel completely negates anything (at least in my mind) that she could say. I just don't give a sh*t about stuff like this anymore. She's a negative entity that I don't want to know anything else about or hear anything more from. The same exact thing goes for MISS TWO FACE HERSELF...THE SELF-SERVING MISS O...Another negative entity that can go jump off a cliff for all I care...Hope her and Mrs. Lockwood enjoyed their tea time together...pffft...

Peace, I'm out.

 

[music65]

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looking forward to seeing this interview.

 

[Salomons]

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What bothers me isn't Lisa being interviewed but Oprah doing an interview.

 

[ginvid]

I wonder why my post about Elvis and Lisa’s wrong decision of talking about drugs to Oprah was deleted but ppl in this thread STILL continue talking about drugs? Sorry mods, it is not fair.

You're right. After I specifically asked for the drug talk to discontinue I was ignored. I will take care of this.

Thanks!