Lloyd's refuse to pay insurance policy for This is It/ MJ Estate fights back/ Update: Case Settled

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Re: Lloyd's of London refuse to pay insurance policy for This is It/ MJ Estate fights back

Yeah the issue is that they did not disclose proper medical history.like with any policy if u dont disclose it can make the policy invalid.the medications that were been taken isnt really the issue is that none were disclosed in the first place.The question is is this why aeg gave the estate the policy cause they knew it was a dud because they lied to the insurance company?
 
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And the day MJ died, Murray was talking to the insurer telling them MJ was fine and healthy, so they will lose. They need to sue Murray for lying to them. If MJ was fine and healthy Murray wouldn't need to be knocking him out with propofol

Was it a representative for Lloyds of London that he was talking to? If so, then it would imply that they were aware of Dr. Murray yet still did not try to terminate the contract/agreement at that time (in reference to them making issue with him seeing doctors outside of a dermatologist). Also, do we have an actual copy of the policy? If not, I still think that if the Estate is going after them then there is some wording that is giving a pathway here.
 
Re: Lloyd's of London refuse to pay insurance policy for This is It/ MJ Estate fights back

He was talking to a middle man from what i remember.a broker who was doing the insurance
 
Re: Lloyd's of London refuse to pay insurance policy for This is It/ MJ Estate fights back

This is nothing new.
Insurance companies never want to do the right thing and honor insurance policies when it is time to pay out.
 
Re: Lloyd's of London refuse to pay insurance policy for This is It/ MJ Estate fights back

^^You got that right Cherubim, and the bigger the amount, the more stalling they do and look for clauses to get themselves out of it. I really hope the Estate have some legal big shots to go after this claim, because you know the insurance company has some good lawyers. Now the Estate has to waste more money to fight an insurance co in addition to the other frauds like the fake charity.
 
Re: Lloyd's of London refuse to pay insurance policy for This is It/ MJ Estate fights back

AEG has also filed their response denying Lloyd's claims.

There's also a new filing from the DA's office. Prosecution in Murray's case (Walgreen and Brazil) is asking for a delay in the request of Lloyds. From the documents it can be seen that Lloyds had asked for business reports, medical reports, pictures from the LA Coroner's office and LA Fire Department. DA argues that there's a high media interest in this case, they argue that these documents can leak or be sold to media and can taint the jury pool. So they are asking for a stay in these requests till the end of Murray Trial.
 
Re: Lloyd's of London refuse to pay insurance policy for This is It/ MJ Estate fights back

Thanks Ivy. This is good news. Now we have AEG joining in, and they are a big power too. I am glad of the quick thinking of the prosecution here too. This information will certainly get skewed in the news and affect the jury. Really Lloyd is really going all out on this. They want business reports too. Do you think they want to say that he killed himself due to financial hardship? What are the pictures going to show them. Do they want to see the condition of the body, or do they believe in the media news that his body was riddled with needle marks. Lloyd really do not want to pay that claim and in the process, I fear they will tarnish Michael's character.
 
Re: Lloyd's of London refuse to pay insurance policy for This is It/ MJ Estate fights back

Really Lloyd is really going all out on this. They want business reports too. Do you think they want to say that he killed himself due to financial hardship?

a correction: they want business records of LA Coroner and Fire Department. I think that means all the records, reports, documents that the first response team / paramedics and coroner filed about Michael's death.
 
Re: Lloyd's of London refuse to pay insurance policy for This is It/ MJ Estate fights back

^^Oh thanks Ivy for the correction.
 
Re: Lloyd's of London refuse to pay insurance policy for This is It/ MJ Estate fights back

^ Why would they want autopsy pictures? A bit macabre if you ask me...
 
I beat AP in reporting the update

US prosecutors want Jackson files kept from insurers
(AFP) – 1 hour ago
LOS ANGELES — US prosecutors want a judge to delay releasing key records on Michael Jackson's 2009 death to insurers, until after the upcoming trial of the late pop icon's doctor, newly filed documents show.
Insurers Lloyd's of London filed suit against concert promoters AEG Live in Los Angeles in June, seeking $17.5 million in compensation for the cancelation of a series of London shows Jackson was rehearsing for shortly before he died.
But the District Attorney's office on Wednesday filed a request at the LA Superior Court seeking to delay the release of fire department and coroner's office records to lawyers handling civil litigation for the insurers.
The DA's office is worried that sensitive records could be leaked to the media if they are turned over to the insurers' lawyers before the start later this month of the manslaughter trial of Jackson's doctor, Conrad Murray.
"The (prosecution's) pending criminal case against Conrad Murray regarding the death of Michael Jackson has received significant, unrelenting media attention," the DA's filing says.
"Because of the heightened media interest surrounding this case, it is more likely that a leak to the media or a similar compromise in the confidentiality of these documents would occur."
Documents and photos related to Jackson's death "have significant value to the media," it says.
The insurers claim they were not told the singer was taking drugs before he died on June 25, 2009, at age 50, from an overdose of a powerful sedative he was taking to help him sleep.
Murray, accused of giving Jackson a fatal dose of propofol, is due to go on trial for manslaughter in late September. Jury selection for the long-awaited court case is due to start next Thursday, September 8.
 
Re: Lloyd's of London refuse to pay insurance policy for This is It/ MJ Estate fights back

Thanks for the news Ivy. I think the judge will allow this delay. As soon as the lawyers get it,the information will be sold to some media outlet. I love how they like to say information was leaked, rather than say one of our employees sold the information.
 
Michael Jackson Estate in Insurance Battle

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(CNS) Posted Thursday October 20, 2011&#8211; 10:40am
The insurers of Michael Jackson's attempted comeback concerts have fired back at attempts by the pop star's estate to block them from obtaining his medical records.
Lloyd's of London filed suit against AEG Live and the Michael Jackson Company LLC in Los Angeles Superior Court on June 6. Lloyd's wants a judge to declare it does not have to pay AEG's $17.5 million policy on grounds the insurers were not told the singer was taking drugs before he died June 25, 2009, at age 50.
The estate is not a party to the suit but has objected to a subpoena for Jackson's medical records, saying the information is confidential and protected by the physician-patient privilege.
But Lloyd's attorneys maintain Jackson waived such rights before he died by signing an authorization for his records to be produced for the company. In addition, much of the entertainer's medical history has already been disclosed during the ongoing involuntary manslaughter trial of his former personal physician, Dr. Conrad Murray, the Lloyd's attorneys say.
"(Lloyd's) has reason to believe that there were in fact material misrepresentations regarding Michael Jackson's health which should have been, but were not, disclosed,' the insurer's lawyers state in court papers filed Monday. "The sought-after medical records will help to put those questions to rest.'
Lloyd's issued deposition subpoenas for the records on July 12. Two are directed at Dr. Arnold Klein, Jackson's former dermatologist, and Dr. Allan Metzgar, who once accompanied the entertainer on a concert tour in the 1990s and is a specialist in treating lupus.
Lawyers for the estate filed their objections to the subpoenas Aug. 5. A hearing on their motion is scheduled Oct. 28.
Lloyd's lawsuit against AEG claims the company did not tell the insurer about the singer's medical history, "including, but not limited to, his apparent prescription drug use and/or drug addiction.'
The company also alleges AEG did not disclose the star's use of propofol, an anesthetic that has been blamed for his death.
The singer allegedly received a dose of the powerful sedative from Murray, who is accused of not monitoring Jackson after administering the drug to help Jackson sleep.
"As has been widely reported in the media since Jackson's death, and particularly during the ongoing Murray trial, there is evidence to suggest that Michael Jackson had a history of narcotic use, including but not limited to Demerol and propofol, the use of which may have resulted in his death,' the Lloyd's attorneys' court papers state.
"Dr. Klein was a (dermatologist) for Michael Jackson who administered Demerol to Jackson reportedly on a regular basis.'
Lloyd's was never told that the singer was missing rehearsals and appearing at meetings with slurred speech after coming from Klein's office, according to the Lloyd's attorneys' court documents.
Up until the last day of Jackson's life, Lloyd's executives were asking for Jackson's medical information from AEG Live's lawyer, who in turn was passing those requests to Murray, according to the Lloyd's attorneys court papers.

http://www.bhcourier.com/article/Local/Local/Michael_Jackson_Estate_in_Insurance_Battle/81835


 
Re: Lloyd's of London refuse to pay insurance policy for This is It/ MJ Estate fights back

So The Estate is being sued by Insurance company for MJ medical records So they can use in ther suite against AEG.

Tell them to ask Dr Murray for the records of the last year of his life. HA !! guess what he didnt keep any. phfftt
 
Re: Lloyd's of London refuse to pay insurance policy for This is It/ MJ Estate fights back

Murray didn't keep any medical records.. That won't have much luck from him
 
CONCERT INSURER WANTS ACCESS TO JACKSON&#8217;S MEDICAL RECORDS

Lloyd's of London, which was insuring the Michael Jackson "This Is It" series of concerts that he was rehearsing for when he died, is requesting the singer's medical records as part of a lawsuit. A judge Friday delayed ruling on the request until Dec. 1.

The insurers of Michael Jackson&#8217;s attempted comeback concerts will have to wait another month for a hearing on their attempts to obtain his medical records, a judge said Friday.

Lloyd&#8217;s of London filed suit against AEG Live and the Michael Jackson Company LLC in Los Angeles Superior Court on June 6. Lloyd&#8217;s wants a judge to declare it does not have to pay AEG&#8217;s $17.5 million policy on grounds the insurers were not told the singer was taking drugs before he died June 25, 2009, at age 50.

The entertainer&#8217;s estate is not a party to the suit, but has objected to a subpoena for Jackson&#8217;s medical records, saying the information is confidential and protected by the physician-patient privilege.

Los Angeles Superior Court Maria Stratton said she does not want to rule on the estate&#8217;s motion to quash the subpoenas until the trial of the late pop star&#8217;s personal physician, Dr. Conrad Murray, is over. Murray is charged with involuntary manslaughter in the death of Jackson, who died of acute propofol intoxication.

&#8220;Let&#8217;s wait for things to be finished at the other courthouse before we delve into this,&#8221; Stratton said. &#8220;They may have an affect on this.&#8221;
She rescheduled Friday&#8217;s hearing for Dec. 1.

Lloyd&#8217;s attorney Paul Schreiffer said it means another delay for his client.

&#8220;We've been waiting for these documents for over two years, so another 30 days, what the heck,&#8221; he told Stratton.

Schreiffer maintains Jackson waived any privacy rights he might have asserted before he died by signing an authorization for his records to be produced for the company. In addition, much of the entertainer&#8217;s medical history has already been disclosed during Murray&#8217;s trial, Schreiffer and the other Lloyd&#8217;s attorneys say.

&#8220;[Lloyd&#8217;s] has reason to believe that there were in fact material misrepresentations regarding Michael Jackson&#8217;s health which should have been, but were not, disclosed,&#8221; the insurer&#8217;s lawyers state in their court papers. The sought-after medical records will help to put those questions to rest.&#8221;

Lloyd&#8217;s issued deposition subpoenas for the records on July 12. Two are directed at Dr. Arnold Klein, Jackson&#8217;s former dermatologist, and Dr. Allan Metzgar, who once accompanied the entertainer on a concert tour in the 1990s and is a specialist in treating lupus.
Lawyers for the estate filed their objections to the subpoenas Aug. 5.

Lloyd&#8217;s lawsuit against AEG claims the company did not tell the insurer about the singer&#8217;s medical history, &#8220;including, but not limited to, his apparent prescription drug use and/or drug addiction.&#8221;

The company also alleges AEG did not disclose the star&#8217;s use of propofol, an anesthetic that has been blamed for his death.

The singer allegedly received a dose of the powerful sedative from Murray, who is accused of not monitoring Jackson after administering the drug to help Jackson sleep.

&#8220;As has been widely reported in the media since Jackson&#8217;s death, and particularly during the ongoing Murray trial, there is evidence to suggest that Michael Jackson had a history of narcotic use, including but not limited to Demerol and propofol, the use of which may have resulted in his death,&#8221; the Lloyd&#8217;s attorneys&#8217; court papers state.

&#8220;Dr. Klein was a [dermatologist] for Michael Jackson who administered Demerol to Jackson reportedly on a regular basis.&#8221;

Lloyd&#8217;s was never told that the singer was missing rehearsals and appearing at meetings with slurred speech after coming from Klein&#8217;s office, according to the Lloyd's attorneys&#8217; court documents.

Up until the last day of Jackson's life, Lloyd&#8217;s executives were asking for Jackson&#8217;s medical information from AEG Live&#8217;s lawyer, who in turn was passing those requests to Murray, according to the Lloyd&#8217;s attorneys court papers.

http://www.wavenewspapers.com/enter...ss-to-Jacksons-medical-records-132805428.html
 
Re: Lloyd's of London refuse to pay insurance policy for This is It/ MJ Estate fights back

Well as was seen before, they are going to use the evidence from the trial and people's statements to get out of paying this claim. I will be looking at this case with interest.
 
Re: Lloyd's of London refuse to pay insurance policy for This is It/ MJ Estate fights back

Surely, they have to sue Murray for gross misrepresentation. That's his doing not MJ or AEG.
 
Re: Lloyd's of London refuse to pay insurance policy for This is It/ MJ Estate fights back

In fact I will not be surprised if the Estate comes back and sues Murray for gross negligence.
 
Re: Lloyd's of London refuse to pay insurance policy for This is It/ MJ Estate fights back

So the delay is good
 
Re: Lloyd's of London refuse to pay insurance policy for This is It/ MJ Estate fights back

In fact I will not be surprised if the Estate comes back and sues Murray for gross negligence.
I'd love the Estate to sue Murray for gross negligence, it doesn't matter if they get money or not, just to make sure whatever monies murray will make will be taken away woudl make my life.
 
Re: Lloyd's of London refuse to pay insurance policy for This is It/ MJ Estate fights back

a wrongful death lawsuit? deadline has passed for that. we only have katherine's and joe's lawsuits.
 
Re: Lloyd's of London refuse to pay insurance policy for This is It/ MJ Estate fights back

Well as was seen before, they are going to use the evidence from the trial and people's statements to get out of paying this claim. I will be looking at this case with interest.

There was the email to CM during the trial about non disclosure from the physical of Dr. Slavit:

http://www.youtube.com/user/JustMeSTKK#p/c/6B093BDCA9E4DB4E
@28:03

Since it looks like AEG was delaying info to the insurance, I think they would have good grounds not to pay out to AEG. Especially now that CM is convicted. Opinions?
 
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^^They were waiting till after the trial to give the information, so now that the trial is over they will have that information. Also, they will use evidence from the defense. I wonder how this case will end?
 
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There was the email to CM during the trial about non disclosure from the physical of Dr. Slavit:

http://www.youtube.com/user/JustMeSTKK#p/c/6B093BDCA9E4DB4E
@28:03

Since it looks like AEG was delaying info to the insurance, I think they would have good grounds not to pay out to AEG. Especially now that CM is convicted. Opinions?

that link takes to youtube and not to a specific video. can you point out to the video?

On December 1 (or 2nd) a judge will decide on whether to give Michael's 5 year medical history to Lloyds. (and get ready for an addict - at least for Propofol- claim).

In my opinion Lloyds can win this case based on that Michael's full medical history wasn't disclosed to them. It's apparent from Murray lawsuit that Murray was giving Michael propofol for 6 weeks. That alone might be enough for them to win this case.

However their claim that Michael's death isn't an accident will not fly IMO. Murray found guilty of IVM there's no intent in that.

^^They were waiting till after the trial to give the information, so now that the trial is over they will have that information. Also, they will use evidence from the defense. I wonder how this case will end?

medical information? No, what AEG was delaying to give Lloyds was a loss statement. Michael's medical records wasn't theirs to give. Lloyds later asked for Michael's medical records to nullify the policy. Estate objected to it and the judge deferred a decision till the end of the criminal trial. In a few days we will see if the judge gives them the medical records or not. But surely they would use evidence from the Murray trial and as I said even omitting of Propofol could be a significant determinant of the outcome.
 
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medical information? What AEG was delaying to give Lloyds was a loss statement. Michael's medical records wasn't theirs to give. Lloyds asked for Michael's medical records to nullify the policy. Estate objected to it and the judge deferred a decision till the end of the criminal trial.

Ivy ^^no one said it was AEG at least not in the post you quoted. We know about lloyds request for medical information from the estate.
 
Re: Lloyd's of London refuse to pay insurance policy for This is It/ MJ Estate fights back

Ivy ^^no one said it was AEG at least not in the post you quoted. We know about lloyds request for medical information from the estate.

okay. still you made it sound like Estate is waiting for Murray trial to end to hand the information over - they don't, they are fighting against it.

Edited to add: and it's actually Walgren and Brazil that filed for LA Coroner, LA Fire Department and asked the judge to delay the decision until the end of criminal trial.
 
Re: Lloyd's of London refuse to pay insurance policy for This is It/ MJ Estate fights back

Ivy that is your interpretation. We all know that the estate was asking that they wait until after the trial. In your job to go from thread to thread monitoring, I feel that you sometimes read things quickly and draw your conclusions of the person's thought processes. You have to remember that many have the same information that you have as well. However, I do acknowledge your input.
 
Re: Lloyd's of London refuse to pay insurance policy for This is It/ MJ Estate fights back

Ivy that is your interpretation. We all know that the estate was asking that they wait until after the trial. In your job to go from thread to thread monitoring, I feel that you sometimes read things quickly and draw your conclusions of the person's thought processes. You have to remember that many have the same information that you have as well. However, I do acknowledge your input.

Actually I added that to the previous post but I'll post it here as well. You are mixing up who filed what. It wasn't the Estate that was asking to wait until after the trial.

It was Walgren and Brazil filing for LA Coroner and LA Fire department an Amicus Curiae asking for a stay pending the criminal trial. They had no objection to providing the medical records of the coroner and fire department, they just wanted it to be delayed.

MJ Estate filed for quashing the subpoenas or in the alternative they are asking for a protective order - asking to limit it to the "related medical condition in question". Overall Estate is fighting against providing the 7.5 years of ALL medical information that Lloyds is asking. They also filed a cross-complaint against Lloyds.

And I don't think that's my interpretation. I believe everyone would classify a "motion to quash" and a "cross complaint" with punitive damages as fighting.

You have to remember that many have the same information that you have as well.

Yes they do but different than many I have around 1300 court documents (that I actually pay to get) over 7-10 lawsuits that I can refer back to before commenting. and especially if the topic is a lawsuit, I generally have a pretty good idea of what I'm talking about.

For example:

The People (Walgren &Brazil) asking for a stay

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Estate asking to quash or limit medical records of 7 doctors/providers (not mentioning LA Coroner or Fire Dept)

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