Latest on MJJC

Jermaine Writing Book On Life With MJ *Book To Be Released Sept 13*

So instead of asking mike what was wrong, jermaine decided to put out a song with assumptions and lies?
 
TheChosenOne said:
^^^ See - this is what I am trying desperately to understand. Is Jermaine saying that when the discussion/confrontation about Word To the Badd occurred Michael did not say anything about having the disease? Cause if that is the case that says alot about their "relationship".

Furthermore, everybody and their grandmother saw that Oprah interview where Michael said he had a disease. So we have to presume either (a) Jermaine did not see the interview and had no idea about the disease or (b) Jermaine did not believe his brother. Which again says alot about their "relationship".
Click to expand...

This is what I don't understand? Surely everyone in the family knew about it, and the vitiligo was evident during the Victory tour. There were family members with that skin condition, too, so it surely wasn't unknown. I'm really not sure how Jerm could NOT have believed that Michael had vitiligo?

Word to the Badd essentially torpedoed Jerm's career. It was released at the same time as Black or White, the first single released from the Dangerous album. I found this article (below), that gives some back-story to Word to the Badd (not sure how accurate it is, but it sounds plausible?) It's just baffling, why Jerm would release such a VICIOUS song? (I think the line "been abducted" is quite telling. Pretty sure that the family often thought that Michael's non-communication with them was because of what OTHER people told Michael about the family -- as if he couldn't make up his OWN mind?)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
@font-face { font-family: "Times"; }@font-face { font-family: "Cambria"; }p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal { margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman"; }a:link, span.MsoHyperlink { color: blue; text-decoration: underline; }a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { color: purple; text-decoration: underline; }div.Section1 { page: Section1; } http://www.mjcafe.net/the legend speeches & faq/c8.htm

http://www.mjparadise.com



What is the story behind "Word to the Badd!"?
In November 1991, a new single, "Word to the Badd!", by Jermaine Jackson was leaked to Los Angeles radio station KPWR. The DJ began to play the single continuously in alternation with MJ's new single "Black or White". The lyrics were a no-holds-barred attack on Michael. They read, in part:


Reconstructed
Been abducted
Don't know who you are...
Once you were made
You changed your shade
Was your color wrong?
Could not turn back
It's a known fact
You were too far gone

The broadside caused shock and controversy in the media and the public. Jermaine explained on the UK network TV program "Rapido": "I tried to put some phone calls to him and I didn't get a reply...it's a number of things but it's nothing we couldn't work out, had we spoken, but I wasn't granted an opportunity from his people to speak to him...the overall message is an older brother telling his younger brother to get back to reality...you have done it to the ultimate level, but you're still a person."


According to Margaret Maldonado, his former common-law wife, Jermaine wrote the song when he became enraged that his producers, L.A. Reid and Babyface, postponed work on his next album in order to work with Michael on Dangerous. Jermaine was unable to reach MJ by phone to confront him over the postponement, so he conceived a plan to put Michael in his place and at the same time draw attention to his own album.


The morning after the song began to air, MJ appeared at Hayvenhurst to demand an explanation. Contrary to some reports, he did not attempt to attack his brother physically over the insult but instead went into a room with him to discuss the matter, with mother Katherine mediating. Maldonado reports that after the meeting Katherine told her that Jermaine had refused to apologize, though Michael was deeply hurt. MJ begged his brother to withdraw the single, since his own fans would not care, but Jermaine's career would be ruined. Unwisely, Jermaine did not, and although the version of "Word to the Badd!" that appeared on his album did not contain the acid lyrics, the single and album were commercial failures due to public contempt over the cynical attack on Michael. Jermaine was dropped from his Arista contract soon after and remains unsigned to any label.


(from A Visual Documentary, Jackson Family Values)

 
BE.86 said:
After reading margret's book, jermaine's ex, she clarified very well the relationship between he and mike and I believe her over jermaine.Thanks ivy!!
Click to expand...

What did she say?

Thank you Ivy for the updates of the book. I have to say that I kind of like that Michael was the defiant one. It seems like he would get hit for anything and no wonder he couldn't be around him.
 
She basically stated that the relationship between him and mike was Not as close and she talked about the song " word to the badd" she had nothing but respect for Michael. I enjoyed her book.
marebear said:
What did she say?Thank you Ivy for the updates of the book. I have to say that I kind of like that Michael was the defiant one. It seems like he would get hit for anything and no wonder he couldn't be around him.
Click to expand...
 
Let's see if Jermaine explains/rationalises/defends Word to the Badd in his book.

Thanks again for the synopsis Ivy!
 
Thanks Autumn.

So the single AND the album were commercial failures. Jermaine played himself!

I had no idea about his being dropped from Arista after that project failed. So after Arista dropped him, Jermaine Jackson never was signed to another label. That must have stung and "sort of" explains why Jermaine is on this ungodly quest for Superstardom this late in his life.

Although, I'm sure, he would never admit it, after the FIASCO that was his Las Vegas show, he should basically know by now that he will never, ever reach any further then he is right now. And after the "attention" that this new book will bring him has subsided, he's really gonna be sick.
 
Big Apple2 said:
Thanks Autumn.

So the single AND the album were commercial failures. Jermaine played himself!

I had no idea about his being dropped from Arista after that project failed. So after Arista dropped him, Jermaine Jackson never was signed to another label. That must have stung and "sort of" explains why Jermaine is on this ungodly quest for Superstardom this late in his life.

Although, I'm sure, he would never admit it, after the FIASCO that was his Las Vegas show, he should basically know by now that he will never, ever reach any further then he is right now. And after the "attention" that this new book will bring him has subsided, he's really gonna be sick.
Click to expand...

Yes, the record label dropped him and both single and album were failures. I actually remember that time pretty well, even though it was a "pre-fanboard" era. There was tremendous PR for the Dangerous album, and the premier of the Black or White was broadcast simultaneously on all mainstream tv channels (ABC, NBC, etc.) It was quite an event (and also there was a backlash from that, over the second part of the video.. .the "panther" sequence). And then there was also this "little, vicious, song," by Jermaine, that had most people going, WTH? It came off as purely vicious, and Michael was right to be concerned that it would damage Jerm's career. It DID.

At that time, Michael hadn't spoke publicly about his skin condition, and I think most people thought, "It's just what it is, whatever THAT is?" Michael was very popular, and a LOT of people loved his music, based on its merit. Michael didn't go public about the vitiligo until 1993 (Oprah interview from N/L), and even then, he didn't specify the disease, but just said that he was losing pigment in his skin, and that it "ran in his family." (i.e. could be hereditary) Even before that, there is NO way Jerm and the family could not have known about the vitiligo! There are photos of Michael from the Victory tour where the light patches are quite obvious on his face and neck.

All families have their squabbles. The difference is, THAT squabble was highly public, and had the opposite result from whatever Jerm had intended? He came off as purely MEAN-SPIRITED, and quickly vanished from the public eye, after that. On the one hand there was Michael, with his message of peace-and-love for all of humanity, and on the other side, a jealous and apparently vicious older brother. I don't think Jerm ever recovered from that.
 
Michael Jackson was planning two more tours to follow his 'This Is It' shows at the time of his death, according to his brother Jermaine.

Michael Jackson was planning two more tours at the time of his death.
The 'Thriller' singer was just days away from starting his landmark 50 date 'This Is It' residency in London when he died of acute Propofol intoxication in June 2009, but his brother, Jermaine, claims he was eventually planning further performances after these shows.
In his new book, 'You Are Not Alone: Michael Through a Brother's Eyes', Jermaine writes: "After his 'This Is It' dates were done he had two more tours up his sleeve: 'Back By Popular Demand' dates that no one knew about.
"I know what Michael said in March 2009, 'When I say this is it, it really means this is it. This is the final curtain call.'
"That was his great tease. He was a master salesman too, and I the world thought the that London would be their last opportunity to see him perform, then they would rush to buy tickets."
Jermaine - who sung with Michael in the Jackson 5 - added he believes Michael turned to Propofol, an anesthetic reserved for sedating patients before surgery in hospitals and requiring strict controls because of his nerves over performing at the 'This Is It' shows.
He added: "It didn't surprise me that his insomnia was returning in the run-up to his London dates because of the unimaginable pressure to which he was subjected, most of it self-imposed.
"He was his own biggest rival in the relentless drive to be perfect in the great comeback he'd envisaged."
http://www.contactmusic.com/news/michael-jackson-planning-more-dates-at-time-of-his-death_1244992
 
BE.86 said:
She basically stated that the relationship between him and mike was Not as close and she talked about the song " word to the badd" she had nothing but respect for Michael. I enjoyed her book.
Click to expand...

Thanks. I think if Michael wanted to talk to Jermaine he would have. Others seemed to be able to talk to Michael. 1984-1992 was really busy years for Michael so seeing him 3 times/year really doesn't sound that bad.
 
I loved the part about little Michael selling candy for the same price he bought it and him throwing the bottle at Joe at 18 months. Now if he was like that since a toddler how is he going to be crying for his Pa in TII, Jermaine?
 
Petrarose said:
I loved the part about little Michael selling candy for the same price he bought it and him throwing the bottle at Joe at 18 months. Now if he was like that since a toddler how is he going to be crying for his Pa in TII, Jermaine?
Click to expand...

Or the shoe too lol. He ended up giving the candy for free. That sounds like Michael. I think I read once that Michael was so fast that Joe had a hard time catching him.
 
Thanks for the summaries, ivy, i admit i'm a hypocrite. Don't particularly want to encourage JJ in his money=making schemes by buying the book but interested in any anecdotes and insights.

One snippet i gleaned from the LSA forum (i don't believe the poster was joking but obviously can't check as i don't have the book) was during the poignant hospital scene which was serialised on sat in the times, joe actually took the opportunity of having MJ in his company in this distressed state to ask him about doing a concert in china.
 
Bonnie Blue said:
Thanks for the summaries, ivy, i admit i'm a hypocrite. Don't particularly want to encourage JJ in his money=making schemes by buying the book but interested in any anecdotes and insights.

One snippet i gleaned from the LSA forum (i don't believe the poster was joking but obviously can't check as i don't have the book) was during the poignant hospital scene which was serialised on sat in the times, joe actually took the opportunity of having MJ in his company in this distressed state to ask him about doing a concert in china.
Click to expand...

I am not surprised now when 3 days after Michael died he was promoting his label etc. People can say that he isn't emotional and wanted to change the subject. I find it very cold.
 
TheChosenOne said:
Let's see if Jermaine explains/rationalises/defends Word to the Badd in his book.

Thanks again for the synopsis Ivy!
Click to expand...

I did a quick search, there's a section about word to the badd. I need to read 6 more chapters to come to it. Probably that will be up later today.

Bonnie Blue said:
One snippet i gleaned from the LSA forum (i don't believe the poster was joking but obviously can't check as i don't have the book) was during the poignant hospital scene which was serialised on sat in the times, joe actually took the opportunity of having MJ in his company in this distressed state to ask him about doing a concert in china.
Click to expand...

yes that's in the book and I believe I wrote it in the summary. joe says it was to distract Michael. Katherine says it's inappropriate timing etc.
 
I think Jerm's relationship with Michael took a HUGE hit with Word to the Badd, and that they had little to almost no contact after that. (and that was as far back as 1991!) Family quarrels DO happen, but that was so incredibly nasty, and public! Not even sure if that "hospital incident" even really happened? Because clearly, the statements by Michael Bearden never happened (either?) It might be some vague attempt to address Word to the Badd, i.e., "why, Jerm had NO idea about Michael's vitiligo???" (maybe Ivy will have more to say about that, when she gets to those chapters? The summaries are MUCH appreciated, btw. No WAY will I buy that book!)

Jerm complains that "Michael's people" wouldn't let him get through to him? Well, guess WHO gave that directive to "Michael's people?" Michael did, of course . . . . .

In some ways, Jerm's book seems to be on the level of Randy Taraborelli, who really had no contact with Michael after the seventies, but made it seem as though he did? The info for his books comes mainly from tabloid sources. I'm sure Jerm can speak with knowledge about childhood stuff, but almost NOTHING after that. I.e., speculation, only?
 
lidwinee said:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/michael-jacksons-childhood-revealed-brother-14507554
Click to expand...

And the ABC's title is this
Jermaine Jackson: Michael Had Escape Plan

Pop star's brother tells of escape plan if Michael were convicted in 2009 (???) trial.
Click to expand...

Not only they don't know how to write but they are totally stupid and ignorant fools. Michael had nothing to do with the plan you morons, he didn't even know about it and what 2009 trial? .Jesus, they will do anything to make MJ look bad.
 
Jermaine Jackson: Michael Had Escape Plan

Pop star's brother tells of escape plan if Michael were convicted in 2009 (???) trial.
Click to expand...
:mello: Yea, I noticed that too. Gotta love how they wanna blame MJ for Jermiane's stupid ideas and then have the wrong year on top of that. :rofl:




By the way Jermaine admits that MJ stopped talking to him and the rest in 84 up until sometime in the 90's....So are we suppose to be shocked that it just so happen that MJ didn't want to communicate with his family right after the Victory tour?! MJ did not love that tour! We all know what happen with all of that. Yet, in the book Jermiane says MJ loved the victory tour, yea right!
 
Chapter 7 - Jackson Mania

First Motown concerts. Bill Bray new security person. Fans rushing to the stage, following them, jumping on cars. Michael calls fans reactions as "wild". Girls running after car, Michael saying "look at that girl's titties wobbling". Concerts, fans, fame. Michael can't understand why girls throwing panties and bras to stage. Mobs of fans, grabbing them everywhere they went. Fans following them to planes, hotels even to their home. Michael seeing fans as a second family, respecting them, loving them and caring about them. Being confined in hotels due to fans. Sprints in the corridors, Michael dropping water balloons, pranking other people such as tying Bill Bray's shoe laces when he's napping then calling him and making him fall when he stand up. Michael's interest with clasical music, Nutcracker Suite, you can hear similar threads at Dirty Diana for example.

Jermaine and Michael sharing room on the road, Joe stayed in a adjoining room. Michael hated Joe coming into their room whenever he liked. Michael is nosy and likes to eavesdrop (with putting glass on the wall) on Joe, Motown executives, lawyers etc. Michael wanting his name to be in "guinness book of world records". Brothers get along very well. Jermaine and Michael only fight over bathroom mirror to shape their afros. Room service is Michael's habit on the road. Plays pranks places orders to other rooms. Teasing the roadies by changing his voice like girls liking them.

Alabama they experience KKK, hotel not wanting to give them rooms. Bad weather when returning from Alabama, plane shaking and dropping, leaving them scared. Later Michael would hide under beds and refuse to go on planes. Bill Bray carrying a screaming and kicking Michael on his shoulder, brothers giving him candy. International success. Always welcome in Gary.

Chapter 8 - Life Lessons

Hayvenhurst. Twin rooms. Michael sharing a room with Randy. $5 weekly allowance. Michael spending his money on art supplies and magic. They still did household chores. Joe put a payphone in Hayvenhurst. Michael receiving death threats so kids got pulled from public school and sent to private school - Walton School. They meet John McClain - became friends for life. Tito and McClain jammed together. Michael and McClain both mischievous. Example : a mouthy kid, they dig a hole and bury him in the hole up to his chest. Michael following Jermaine around. Catching him while kissing a girl and shouting it.

Jermaine when home saw Hazel a lot, it was puppy love. On the road he find it hard to resist female attention and had to sneak girls from Bill Bray and Joe. Michael made it harder for him. One day Michael is no where to be seen. Jermaine has sneaked a girl and is about to have sex. Girl mentions how she likes Jermaine touching her thighs but Jermaine wasn't stroking her tighs. Michael was hiding under the bed, touching her. It turns out Michael was hiding under the bed the whole time.

Girls banned. Motown didn't want them to have girlfriends, wanted them to be single bachelors looking for love. Joe also told them girls were bad, girls would distract them and hurt the record sales. Michael confused between the available boyfriend versus girls being poison. Joe sees Tito kissing Dee-Dee, beats him. Using Michael as a wingman to get phone number of girls. Michael telling Jermaine he always wants to treats girls as a gentleman.

Tastes in woman. Michael looking for a lady, honest and kind. Growing crush on Diana. Seeing her as the perfect woman.

Rose their tutor. Started Michael's love of books and reading. debunks biographers and says Michael wasn't a terrible student. 9th grade report card 5 A's, 1 B+ and 1 B-. Michael drawing soldier with stop the war written over. Giving a Charlie Chaplin drawing to a girl in exchange for help with Algebra.

Michael is the only Jackson boy still attending Kingdom Hall. Meeting Commodores, learning song writing. Friendship with Lionel Ritchie. First European tour. Playing and meeting the Queen. Meeting Elton John. Hole in the wall and seeing the next door dressing room, naked woman.

Michael's love for Rebbie's kid Stacee, pure love of children.

World tour. Jacksons become cartoons. Michael watch his cartoon every saturday.

Chapter 9 - Growing Pains

Acne and his nose.

"In fact, he hated his skin and his nose so much that he found it hard to look at himself in the mirror. This wasn’t just typical teenage self-consciousness: it became a full-blown inferiority complex. The more he looked at himself, the unhappier he felt."

Jermaine "bumpy face", Marlon "Liver lips", Michael "big nose" and they didn't realize how Michael struggled with that name till much later.
Jermaine realizes a white blemish on his left thigh. Doctor says it's vitiligo and not to worry unless it spreads. says Michael never bleached his face or skin and was proud of being black.

Gordy starts solo projects for Michael and Jermaine. Press portrays them as rivals. Jermaine says there was no jealusy or rivalry.

J5 releases more albums. chart success is declining. Michael says they need to write their own material. Jermaine had proposed to Hazel. Jermaine is thinking how to tell his family that he would marry Hazel, believes Joe will be angry (as he was angry with Tito marrying Dee-Dee and Michael will be sad). Michael acts happy but later Katherine tells him and Michael feels that everyone is marrying and leaving him and he'll be lonely. Michael never said anything to Jermaine about this topic, hid his feelings. The ceremony. Getting house in Bel-Air.

Michael working on "the robot". Jackson variety show. Brothers behavior towards Jermaine is changing, he realizes something is up. Katherine finds out that Joe has a mistress. Family is angry , tells Katherine to divorce. Katherine forgives. Meeting Bob Marley.

Wives going to tour. Berry Gordy arranging separate cars/ limos, security for his daughter. It started causing problems. Fights happened. Michael didn't like it. wives caused drama and distractions. Michael says he will never marry until he found his soul and creative match. "Wanna be starting something" is about these fights.

A lot of people leaving Motown. Michael asked for more freedom in their music, Gordy refused.

to be continued.
 
Thanks, Ivy. There's one thing I don't understand, from this quote?

"Jermaine realizes a white blemish on his left thigh. Doctor says it's vitiligo and not to worry unless it spreads."

Does that mean JERM had "a white blemish," i.e. vitiligo? Or, he saw that on Michael's leg, or what? Because if Jerm, too, has vitiligo (but a far less spreading form), that makes it even less understandable that he wouldn't know the reason for Michael's lighter skin?
 
"Jermaine realizes a white blemish on his left thigh. Doctor says it's vitiligo and not to worry unless it spreads."
Click to expand...
So now he says he knows MJ had it since the younger yrs too. But, because he didn't know until 05 the extent of it (even though by then it was more then obvious) he decided in the early 90's to write that ish song against his brother anyway! o_O

Wow, Jerm I understand u less and less dude! Keep diggin ur hole!


^Edit: I see now that it's Jerm claiming he had the blemish yet, couldn't understand Mj when he had it and it spread on him! Amazing! SMDH
 
Last edited:
Autumn II said:
Thanks, Ivy. There's one thing I don't understand, from this quote?

"Jermaine realizes a white blemish on his left thigh. Doctor says it's vitiligo and not to worry unless it spreads."

Does that mean JERM had "a white blemish," i.e. vitiligo? Or, he saw that on Michael's leg, or what? Because if Jerm, too, has vitiligo (but a far less spreading form), that makes it even less understandable that he wouldn't know the reason for Michael's lighter skin?
Click to expand...
It was Jermaine that had the blemish and yes this is interesting.....
 
It's Jermaine who realizes a white blemish on his left thigh.

Nothing about Michael's Vitiligo yet - I'm at the Wiz years.
 
Jermaine now has the blemish? Is that what he is saying? So he only notices it on himself? But, then doesn't believe MJ Vitiligo got worse even though a doctor had already told him that it could happen to him? lol Like I said he keeps digging the his hole. Whatever the story is now? lol
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top