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Iconic artist PRINCE passes away at age 57

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Amaya said:
I'm trying to do the same. I actually installed a Firefox add-on that makes it where Youtube comments won't show up at all, because it's full of toxic, disgusting, often hypocritical asshats that I don't want to read anything from, yet at the same time I can't look away because of how baffling and awful they are. Having that add-on makes it easier, though.
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Serious question: Why do you need an add-on for that, can't you just not scroll down? YouTube comments only load for me once I scroll down to read them.

respect77 said:
The irony of this is that when MJ died no one talked about Prince.
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TBH, I feel most of the time I've seen them compare Prince to MJ in the past few days is when they mention how both died at young ages unexpectedly. In fact, thinking about it, I've seen a lot of people tweeting and commenting about how it feels similar to when Michael died. I think if Prince died back in 2009 and Michael died a few days ago, we'd probably be seeing similar things - especially given the Prince vs MJ "rivalry" back in the 1980s which I think is a main fuel for this.

Although I have been seeing these sorts of tweets/posts go viral over the internet, which are admittedly pretty funny hahaha

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HIStoric said:
TBH, I feel most of the time I've seen them compare Prince to MJ in the past few days is when they mention how both died at young ages unexpectedly. In fact, thinking about it, I've seen a lot of people tweeting and commenting about how it feels similar to when Michael died. I think if Prince died back in 2009 and Michael died a few days ago, we'd probably be seeing similar things - especially given the Prince vs MJ "rivalry" back in the 1980s which I think is a main fuel for this.
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The only comparations weren't because of their deaths. Barbee mentioned that there are articles out there trashing MJ to praise Prince. I have seen similar memes - actually ones that were downright vile towards MJ for no reason at all. Someone mentioned on another forum that the day Prince died she was watching the coverage on CNN and MJ was mentioned some 5-8 times during a two hours period while she was watching. Yesterday I have seen an article saying Prince's Estate will probably be more valuable than MJ's because supposedly he has some 2000 unreleased songs. Again, they just had to compare him to MJ and turn it into some kind of competition even in death, instead of just saying: "Prince has 2000 unreleased songs that will make his Estate valuable". Well, good for him that he was so profilic but that won't necessarily make his Estate more valuable than MJ's because those songs need to be sold to make them valuable financially. No disrespect to Prince but commercially he was never really a competition to MJ and I doubt he will be now after their deaths.

Anyway, the point is the comparations weren't only because of their deaths and when MJ died no one really talked about Prince and their supposed "rivalry" in the 80s. We also weren't creating memes praising MJ by bashing Prince. We cared about MJ in those days, we did not obsess about Prince. He wasn't even on our mind.

To be honest, I have always seen this phenomenon of bashing the other artist mainly coming from Prince fans towards MJ and only very rarely the other way around. MJ fans generally don't seem as obsessed with Prince to me as the other way around. Well, based on what I have seen over the years.
 
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respect77 said:
The only comparations weren't because of their deaths. As Barbee mentioned that there are articles out there trashing MJ to praise Prince. I have seen similar memes - actually ones that were downright vile towards MJ for no reason at all. I have also seen an article saying Prince's Estate will probably be more valuable than MJ's because supposedly he has some 2000 unreleased songs. Well, good for him that he was so profilic but that won't necessarily make his Estate more valuable because those songs need to be sold to make them valuable financially. No disrespect to Prince but commercially it was never really a rivalry and I don't think it will be now after their deaths. Anyway, the point is the comparations weren't only because of their deaths and when MJ died no one really talked about Prince and their supposed "rivalry" in the 80s. We also weren't creating memes praising MJ by bashing Prince. We cared about MJ in those days, we did not obsess about Prince. He wasn't even on our mind.
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Well all I can sum it down to is I've been reading different articles than you guys have as I haven't seen any of those sort of articles.

Like I said, most times that I've seen MJ brought up is when their deaths are talked about. I still think if Prince died in 2009 and MJ died a few days ago, similar sort of memes/death comparisons would occur.
 
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HIStoric said:
Well all I can sum it down to is I've been reading different articles than you guys have as I haven't seen any of those sort of articles.

Like I said, most times that I've seen MJ brought up is when their deaths are talked about. I still think if Prince died in 2009 and MJ died a few days ago, similar sort of memes/death comparisons would occur.
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Really? Do you think MJ fans would post and circulate memes parising MJ by trashing Prince? I highly doubt it. MJ fans were never that preoccupied with Prince as the other way around.
 
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Had their death dates been switched I don't think people would be bringing up Prince half as much as they're bringing up MJ now.
Not only do people love to trash MJ, but they also love to root for the underdog.

I think that many of Prince's fans (not all), and even non fans that are just MJ haters are jealous of MJ's level of success, so they're taking advantage of the love and praise Prince is getting to be mean to MJ on a larger scale then usual.
 
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respect77 said:
Really? Do you think MJ fans would post and circulate memes parising MJ by trashing Prince? I highly doubt it. MJ fans were never that preoccupied with Prince as the other way around.
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I'm talking about internet users in general. I don't pay attention to this MJ vs Prince fanbase stuff and I never go on MJ fansites (bar this one, and even then I don't spend much time on here now), let alone Prince ones. Almost everything I've seen about Prince's death has been in a newspaper or on your typical social media websites.

But to answer your question, yes I think some would - I have seen MJ fans in the past try to bring MJ up by downplaying other artists. Some of those memes I've seen related to MJ/Prince meeting in heaven were retweeted/reposted by the odd old MJ account I still happen to follow on the various social websites. On top of this, the person who posted that tweet I posted above is actually a fan of both MJ and Prince.
 
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Funny how we won't see (God forbid) photos of Prince's lifeless body splashed every where like MJ's. Only Michael Jackson could have that done to him!!!!
 
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HIStoric said:
But to answer your question, yes I think some would - I have seen MJ fans in the past try to bring MJ up by downplaying other artists.
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I think it's very different when this or that artist comes up in forum discussions and some MJ fans put them down during those discussions than many fans of a fandom regularly being preoccupied with one particular other artist pretty much since the 80s. So much so that they are even preoccupied with said artist on the day of the death of their fave. I disagree with your theory that MJ fans would do the same - well, because they simply did not do the same on the day MJ died.

And yes, I know that not ALL Prince fans are like that. I would like to hope that most are not like that, actually. But I have seen enough MJ-obsession by Prince fans (including those in the media as well - eg. Chris Rock) over the years. On the day MJ died there have been pretty vile comments about him on Prince.org, for example. Here on MJJC you have seen mainly nice comments about Prince. In 2005 Prince himself got some of his fans banned from his forum when they talked trash about MJ.
 
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respect77 said:
I disagree with your theory that MJ fans would do the same - well, because they simply did not do the same on the day MJ died.
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TBH I can't really respond to the first part of your response because I'm not really familiar with what you're talking about - like I said, I'm not really involved in this fanbase stuff.

When it comes to the memes and jokes, the ones I've mostly seen seem to revolve around Prince/Michael running into the other in heaven (or similar, and for that you need both individuals to be dead), so of course such a joke wouldn't have happened when MJ died. So yeah, still sticking by my theory about "if the death dates had reversed" or whatever. Feel free to disagree.

respect77 said:
And yes, I know that not ALL Prince fans are like that. I would like to hope that most are not like that, actually. But I have seen enough MJ-obsession (including those in the media as well) by Prince fans over the years. On the day MJ died there have been pretty vile comments about him on Prince.org, for example. Here on MJJC you have seen mainly nice comments about Prince. In 2005 Prince himself got some of his fans banned from his forum when they talked trash about MJ.
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I too hope that a majority of MJ and Prince fans aren't that vile tbh. Generally I try to remember that the vast majority of an artist's fans don't really speak out at all on such fan-sites and many times in my life I've found the minority (with the often most controversial opinion) to sometimes be the most vocal.

I really respect Prince for how he treated MJ. I've watched some clips these past few days of him responding to questions on Mike and he's always been very respectful, it's a very admirable attitude to take.
 
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LindavG said:
Why was he cremated so soon? Is it for religious reasons?
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Body was released to the family friday. So i guess he left instructions. No need to let things drag on if you arent waiting on family etc to arrive.
 
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LindavG said:
Why was he cremated so soon? Is it for religious reasons?
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Prince was a Jehova's Witness. Do JW have specific rules regarding burial? But then Katherine is a JW too and they did not hurry with the burial, so maybe it's unrelated to religion.
 
I suppose it is natural for people to making comparisons between Michael and Prince, not just due to the ancient rivalry in 80s, but also due to the circumstances of their disappearance. For many this feels like June 2009 all over again. Speculation of addiction to painkillers, strange 911 calls, press conferences and the like are all eerily similar. However, all of that simply feeds the media monster. The ones who feel the need to belittle anyone are the truly obscene characters, be they media people or ignorant members of the general public. Further adding to the fire they start accomplishes nothing.

As much as the media loved to put Prince and Michael against each other, I am convinced there was great respect and camaraderie between them, especially in the later years. Sure wish their fans and those standing on the outside feverishly looking in would offer the same type of mutual respect……

Another thing I resent deeply whenever someone connected to Michael passes away how people instantly dream up scenarios of the supposedly groovy parties he and others are having all up in the clouds and how he is always in the welcoming committee. I find this imagery not only spiritually immature, but also most probably inaccurate. But hey, if people find it healing, who am I to disagree, right?

I think the world would be far better off if people sought to make it more livable rather than speculate about what goes on in the great beyond. Although we are called to care about our eternal destiny, as time-inhabiting creatures we are also meant to enjoy life to the fullest and experience heaven on earth before aiming for the never ending one.

Being a pragmatist by training and practice I cannot help but feel that people ought to be shown love, understanding and respect while they walk this earth. Hopefully, both Prince and Michael knew just how much and how deeply they were loved. The loss of anyone dear is always a cruel reminder of the frailty of life. And even though they will indeed become immortal through their artistic output, the limits of their humanity are also obvious. Because the only thing more certain than the immortality of art is the mortality of the body.

One last thing – I appreciated very much President Obama’s statement about Prince and I like to believe that there was more than mere PC and simple calculation in his delay to address Michael’s sudden loss. And nope, my impression is not fueled by my admiration for his persona and the agreement I have with most of his policies.

I think it’s very easy to judge public figures without having a full understanding of their circumstances. I still remember how so many of Prince’s fans were angry with him back in January because he hadn’t joined the online chorus in deploring David Bowie’s death. He would later perform Heroes, including in his very last performance, if I’m not mistaken….People deal with these issues in different ways and we should try to understand that, be they anonymous Eddie or Ellie at the corner store, one of the world’s most creative spirits or the President of the United States who happens to have on the daily agenda the U.S. economy, international security and other similarly tiny issues.

P.S. Sorry for the long intervention folks, the slightly generalistic tone and veering off topic. I would hope though that Prince, who was a reflective soul, wouldn’t mind it terribly if his passing offered people the chance to meditate on wider themes as well.
 
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respect77 said:
Prince was a Jehova's Witness. Do JW have specific rules regarding burial? But then Katherine is a JW too and they did not hurry with the burial, so maybe it's unrelated to religion.
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No set rules but its not dragged out like many funerals .they like to do it within a week or so. Its not abig event so easy to organise

Kj may call her self a j.w.....
 
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LindavG said:
Why was he cremated so soon? Is it for religious reasons?
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I know it's not to do with Jehovah's Witnesses, but I imagine, as a private person, he left instructions to do it quickly and privately. No need for press to be hovering over this-not only Michael was disrespected with a picture in the ambulance but Whitney's picture was taken at the funeral home and splashed across supermarket tabloids. It's disgusting. Who wants that?
David Bowie did the same-

Sorry I was ragging about the articles I was reading earlier. I could kinda understand it if it was from social media or fan clubs or even YouTube (although I used to read very informative comments there).
But I'm reading news articles culled in Yahoo Music and I expect to be reading a retrospective of Prince's work, an analysis of what he meant to our culture, not garbage dissing one artist over another. Or garbage speculating on medications. I'm very, very shocked about Princes death and I'd like to know more about him. I don't care about articles like this -Especially not articles packed with provable lies.

I mourn for journalism, actually.

I don't remember when I exactly noticed the change-that our press was becoming a version of the gossip rags that you could buy for a dime-maybe it was when they turned on Michael so hard. But it was startling and I couldn't understand it and still don't. It makes you feel like you're living in an alternate universe or something.
 
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HIStoric said:
Serious question: Why do you need an add-on for that, can't you just not scroll down? YouTube comments only load for me once I scroll down to read them.
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Like I said, it's very hard to not look at the comments, kinda like a train wreck where you know it's bad yet you can't look away. It's like I would tell myself "Don't scroll, don't scroll... oh ok maybe a little peek wouldn't hurt", and then I get disappointed. It's very hard for me to resist doing that, hence the add-on.
 
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I am nor being disrespectful to Prince by bringing up the media's attention to MJ at this time but it has been disrespectful and I thought I was the only that recognized it. This board has given me comfort. I remember going to see Prince in concert in 1984/85 and I even bought the secret Black Album that was sold behind the counter. I watched the coverage for Prince but MJ was brought up at every opportunity and it was an unfavorable comparison. The point for me that had me tune out was when the "journalist" said how Prince's videos were groundbreaking, revolutionary, you had to stay home and watch, and they got you on the dance floor (part of that sentence is correct). When I listened to talk shows on the radio, they once again said he was revolutionary, did more for African American youth than any other contemporary of his "including Michael Jackson", wrote songs that had meaning and powerful messages and he was the messenger of the 80's and continued his iconic path through the 2000's. Off went the radio.
 
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barbee0715 said:
I don't remember when I exactly noticed the change-that our press was becoming a version of the gossip rags that you could buy for a dime-maybe it was when they turned on Michael so hard. But it was startling and I couldn't understand it and still don't. It makes you feel like you're living in an alternate universe or something.
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I think social media made a big change as well. So many people these days get their "news" from Facebook and Twitter and don't bother to check anything. Before you know it it's been shared a thousand times and by then people aren't interested in hearing the truth.

Speaking of social media, I just came across this post on Facebook (it's been reposted quite a few times because it's so sad/hilarious). It's in Dutch so not everyone is going to understand but I just had to share it for those who do:

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I don't think they should release Prince's autopsy to the public.
If he has so much as a Tylenol in his system the media is going to run with it, and even if he comes up with nothing in his system people are still going to make something out if nothing, so why release it.
Let people speculate because they're going to do it anyway.
 
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Hello, my first post here. I was a fan of Michael Jackson, but a fanatic of Prince. But I can tell you that many many Prince fans do like Michael Jackson.

And I just read this on an article about Tavis Smiley the talk show host on his connection with Prince: "(I'm missing) Mostly our talks. In person, on the phone, across America, around the world. I will never forget the night we sat on the rooftop of his hotel in Switzerland, after he'd slayed the Montreux Jazz Festival. Michael Jackson had recently passed, and Prince would talk for hours that night about his own mortality and what the loss of Michael Jackson really meant for him. " http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2016/04/22/tavis-smiley-prince-dies/83381318/

I want you to know that at one time I was at Paisley Park, Prince's studio complex, talking with his engineer Femi Jiya about music at the very mixing board that Prince used. And we weren't even talking about a Prince song. We were talking about how great the song "Butterflies" was. That was the single at the time. Now Prince wasn't there... I wish.

I know that part of grief can be anger, and that some Prince fans are very hurt and angry by what reality has thrown down. they might talk shit, but it's part of it.

But it's rough you know, I was extremely hurt and saddened when Jackson passed, as were my friends. He was magic. And now I am grieving that Prince is gone, even as I write this.
 
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Pink Diamond Princess said:
I don't think they should release Prince's autopsy to the public.
If he has so much as a Tylenol in his system the media is going to run with it, and even if he comes up with nothing in his system people are still going to make something out if nothing, so why release it.
Let people speculate because they're going to do it anyway.
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Unfortunately, autopsy reports are made public by law.
 
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Paris78 said:
Shana Mangatal ?@ImShanaMangatal

We were all blessed to have lived during the same time as these 2 amazing men. #MichaelJackson #Prince
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This Painting is so Beautiful....

Both Michael Jackson and Prince are now in Heaven.
 
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ExoticPrincess said:
Unfortunately, autopsy reports are made public by law.
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Not all states. It varies.
They make them available to the next of kin. But the press can request it under the Freedom of Information Act if the deceased is a public figure.
 
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Unfortunately according to US law dead people have no privacy rights.

The Federal Privacy Act and the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) do a fair job of protecting people's privacy, but there's one law that comes into direct conflict with them: the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). This law is intended to create government transparency, making it harder for government officials to keep secrets from the citizens they serve. Sometimes, someone files a FOIA request, and the government has to decide if releasing the information violates someone's privacy.


There are several exemptions to FOIA that the government can invoke to avoid releasing information. One allows the government to deny a FOIA request if the request includes "personnel and medical files and similar files that would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy." This allows the government to tread the line legally between FOIA, HIPAA and the Federal Privacy Act in most cases.




That covers the privacy rights of living people, but what happens after death? The Privacy Act is very clear -- it doesn't apply to dead people. Once you die, your information is no longer protected under that law. However, court precedents have shown that the privacy concerns of surviving family members also weigh on the decision to release information via FOIA. When these cases go to court, judges have ruled against FOIA requests in cases where the release of death-scene photos, autopsy photos or coroner's reports would cause anguish and harm to the deceased person's family. They may allow the information to be released if they feel the information itself is harmless or if many years have passed since the death in question.
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http://people.howstuffworks.com/lose-right-to-privacy-when-you-die1.htm
 
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