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How should a MJ fan behave, is it wrong to be too fanatic?

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Sometimes fans are too fanatic on these boards and on the road, too.. What do you think is the line between being fanatic and TOO fanatic?

I think I've been too fanatic sometimes (not offline because I'm kinda shy, but online) and I regret that, but I still think people should be allowed to talk more fanatic on the web boards. I think only significantly negative posts should be locked or removed and all the rest should remain active.

I mean if someone makes him/her look stupid it's his/her problem. Just the more conversation the better I think. No matter what the topic is.
 
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I think a fan should be respectfull and stay realistic. This includes seeing the person you admire as a normal human being and don't just blindy defend everything he or she does, because you won't do this towards someone else.
I don't think negative posts should be blocked, everyone has a different opinion, if you're just here to bash on someone, then it's wrong, but if you just don't simply agree .. feel free to speak your mind, but try to bring your message in a respectfull way. Don't become too obsessed or unrealistic, you should realize that the person you admire is not god (unless it's god himself :p).
 
Fanaticism is an emotion of being filled with excessive, uncritical zeal, particularly for an extreme religious or political cause, or with an obsessive enthusiasm for a pastime or hobby.

According to philosopher George Santayana, "Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have forgotten your aim according to Winston Churchill, "A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject". By either description the fanatic displays very strict standards and little tolerance.

The difference between a fan and a fanatic is that while both have an overwhelming liking or interest in a given subject, behaviour of a fanatic will be viewed as violating prevailing social norms, while that of a fan will not violate those norms (although is usually considered unusual).

A fanatic differs from a crank in that the latter term is typically associated with a position or opinion which is so far from the norm as to appear ludicrous and/or provably wrong, while the subject of the fanatic's obsession may well be "normal", with only the scale of involvement being abnormally disproportionate

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So there you have it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanaticism
 
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Anything to the extreme is not a good idea. We,as human beings, were meant to keep moving on,changing and evolving. When a person is stuck on one thing, They stop thriving. They stop looking inside of themselves and look for the outer things and people to gain the love,approval,and acceptance that they are looking for. They become like zombies, really. Always devouring without question the topic they are so fanatic about. They personalize every experience to the point that everything becomes about them.. and Not the person they claim to be so fanatic about.

As for negative posts, I believe in constructive Criticism. What's the use of going around being all negative and insulting when it is really selfish... again... about the zombie and not about the person they are complaining about. It certainly makes no difference to ... for instance say... Michael Jackson. It doesn't do him any favors.
He gets put down all day every day.
BUT.. If you approach a person in love and concern, and Your heart is in the right place, Constructive criticism can do a world of good because often.. a person isn't aware of how their words and actions make another person feel. Constructive Criticism can make that person learn more about themselves and the world around them, how people percieve them.
 
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As for negative posts, I believe in constructive Criticism. What's the use of going around being all negative and insulting when it is really selfish... again... about the zombie and not about the person they are complaining about. It certainly makes no difference to ... for instance say... Michael Jackson. It doesn't do him any favors.
He gets put down all day every day.
BUT.. If you approach a person in love and concern, and Your heart is in the right place, Constructive criticism can do a world of good because often.. a person isn't aware of how their words and actions make another person feel. Constructive Criticism can make that person learn more about themselves and the world around them, how people percieve them.
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Wonderful said.
 
I'm scared of some MJ fans over how obsessed they are over Michael :mello: but each to there own :yes:
 
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You aren't too fanatic as long as you hurt nobody.

And If you are up to meet Michael and his children just make sure you don't injure them and of course take care of the other fans around.
 
I think the day fans start to lecture to others about how to be a fan, is the day when we have created the Michael jackson church.
Every celebrity has ther obsessed fans. people become obsessed about anything that makes them feel good. What ever it is, be it smoking, sex, celebrity, football,music, swimming, science. royal family, religion, God, Jesus. You just can't dictate to people how they should feel about things. that's just himan nature.
 
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snorlaaax said:
I think a fan should be respectfull and stay realistic. This includes seeing the person you admire as a normal human being and don't just blindy defend everything he or she does, because you won't do this towards someone else.
I don't think negative posts should be blocked, everyone has a different opinion, if you're just here to bash on someone, then it's wrong, but if you just don't simply agree .. feel free to speak your mind, but try to bring your message in a respectfull way. Don't become too obsessed or unrealistic, you should realize that the person you admire is not god (unless it's god himself :p).
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That was very well said!

I'm trying to add something to that but can't really come up with anything.
But I think it's just, some Michael Jackson fans strive to be "the ultimate Michael Jackson fan" (in a sick way) and think less and get disgusted by other Michael Jackson fans that maybe don't agree with something Michael have said or done, or maybe just don't think that EVERY Michael Jackson song is his greatest.

I mean, people wouldn't hang here if they were not a Michael fan. I have hard to believe that there are people here just to bash him.
 
BruceWayne said:
That was very well said!

I'm trying to add something to that but can't really come up with anything.
But I think it's just, some Michael Jackson fans strive to be "the ultimate Michael Jackson fan" (in a sick way) and think less and get disgusted by other Michael Jackson fans that maybe don't agree with something Michael have said or done, or maybe just don't think that EVERY Michael Jackson song is his greatest.

I mean, people wouldn't hang here if they were not a Michael fan. I have hard to believe that there are people here just to bash him.
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If people will go on his youtube video's just to bash him, why is it so hard to believe that people will join a fansite just to bash him? It has haoppened before. The reason why fans are so defensive of MJ is becauise everybody and they momma seems to want to attack him. The come to a place of safely, so to speak and to hear him being bashed on a fansite is just too much sometimes.
 
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I am fanatic about Michael, I'm unrealistic, and I blindly defend everything he does. And proud of it.

Thanks.

:)
 
I think it's important to be realistic and balanced in everything we do, I live my life in this way and it's served me well.
 
I think most fans have individual crazy moments lol. It's ok to hoop and holler, and make a big commotion, IN THE APPROPRIATE VENUE of course. It's all in fun and in love, but as someone said before, respect for Michael is key.

If Michael is out walking with his kids, or looking like he's trying to have a quiet afternoon to himself etc., it's not cool to run at him full-speed, foaming at the mouth and screaming like a lunatic lol. I can image that the fans often scare the crap outta MJ's kids, let alone Michael himself lol. Not saying he can't be approached, but walk up to him respectfully, and ask him (or his security) if it's alright to speak with him briefly. If it looks like he's wanting to be left alone, leave him alone. We all have those "what if this is the only chance I ever get to be close to him" sort of moments, but that's no excuse to treat him inhumanely.

Michael isn't a commodity, he's a human being (although that can be easy to forget with all the celebrity bs). I say treat him how you would want to be treated if you were in his shoes.

As far as online, I'm a big advocate for freedom of speech. But, in online forums such as this, rules are put in place to discourage gossip and "he-said-she-said", out of respect for Michael and his personal life; which I can totally respect. I personally think some rules are a little strict for my taste, but I respect them because I know it's for the greater good. Not saying you have to pretend to feel a certain way when you don't, but all topics aren't always worth the energy of a conversation.

I know a lot of gossip talk isn't tolerated here, because Michael finds it distasteful (or so I've heard him say). And I know that a lot of sexual talk is frowned upon as well, because of younger kids visiting the board. If you're looking for racier conversations, you may have to visit a different forum. I'm not trying to run you away from this forum AT ALL. I just mean you may have to go to another site to get your particular MJ itch scratched, so to speak. For instance, I go to a certain site where fans write MJ fanfiction with more *ahem* adult content lol. It's nothing personal against mjjcommunity, cuz I DEFINITELY enjoy my time here. I just know that this isn't the arena where that certain brand of conversation is showcased.

Think of it like you're going over a friend's house, what may be allowed in your home, your friend may not allow in theirs. Some households are stricter than others, but the rules are put in place for a good reason.:)
 
Topflux said:
Sometimes fans are too fanatic on these boards and on the road, too.. What do you think is the line between being fanatic and TOO fanatic?

I think I've been too fanatic sometimes (not offline because I'm kinda shy, but online) and I regret that, but I still think people should be allowed to talk more fanatic on the web boards. I think only significantly negative posts should be locked or removed and all the rest should remain active.

I mean if someone makes him/her look stupid it's his/her problem. Just the more conversation the better I think. No matter what the topic is.
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that being said, what's too fanatical and what's too negative? where does the line get drawn? either u have too little leeway or too much.

all one has to ask themselves is is their hobby or their fandom getting in the way of their 'real' life...if it is, then something needs to be done
 
Obsessive behavior is dependent on one's perception. Someone may think being in an online fanclub is obsessive. I mean, how is it defined? What are its characteristics and who defines those characteristics?
I say just do you!! Don't hurt anyone or yourself:cheeky:
 
I'm fanatic to the point of disrespect. Like I wont stalk mike but I'll curse our or beat sumones ass if they disrespect him
 
I think fanatic starts when ppl have obvious problems to admitt that they do not know Michael Jackson (in person).
A second hind is when it starts to direct ones life more than issues about themselves... spending too many thoughts... spending too much time... spending too much money... spending too much of themselves instead of having something or someone 'real'... well instead of having a life.
 
When he is with his fans they should be able to exercise some self control. I'm sure if he were to leap at someone, scream and pull their hair they would think he was crazy.

And y'all knowwwww I ain't lyin'. lol
 
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Been trying to find the right words to say. Since I am in my 40's, married, have kids, and have been a Michael Jackson fan since the 70's, I hope you would appreciate where these words are coming from:
When your fandom for Michael "completely" takes over your entire being and you do not allow anyone or anything elese in; not even interaction with that cute available guy who just
fell over his own foot trying to get your attention-
That to me can be taking it too far. Ya' know what I mean?
 
My own opinion is MOST of us in here inlcuding me are fanatic... And are obsessive about Mike to an unhealthy extent.. Those who that struck a nurve with, that might mean it's you too.. lol!

Think about how many hours a day we spend EACH DAY here.. researching and studying him more so than we did a subject in school.. lol!

How much time does this forum end up taking away from people..


While there are some that just come here out of boardum at work or whatever.. But probably a good majority of us, put Michael infront of a lot of things that we should not..

I'm talking to myself too, so I'm not hating on anyone..


What about another HUMAN (That we don't know personally) attracts us so much that we spend this much time and attention to??

I'm a FAN of several people.. Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles, 2 Pac, Bruce Lee, Jean Claude Van Damme.... But I don't know even a FRACTION about them as I do Mike.. And I don't spend a FRACTION of the time learning, making graphics of him, writting about him, visiting forums to that extent..

There are several SIGNS that show 'fanatic' in MOST of us here..

Now the first step to recovery is admitting it.. Those who are willing to take the first step say..



"I"......... AM AN ADDICT"








lol! but seriously... some of us need to put our priorties in order.. INCLUDING ME.. It's very hard to, I KNOW.. I've been struggeling with it for a LONG TIME..
 
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Yep i know i,m more of a fanatic than i,d like to addmitt but as long as you are respectfull and above all whaen we have a chance someday to meet michael lets always remember he is a human being and try to stay as calm as we can.
 
KOPV said:
My own opinion is MOST of us in here inlcuding me are fanatic... And are obsessive about Mike to an unhealthy extent.. Those who that struck a nurve with, that might mean it's you too.. lol!

Think about how many hours a day we spend EACH DAY here.. researching and studying him more so than we did a subject in school.. lol!

How much time does this forum end up taking away from people..


While there are some that just come here out of boardum at work or whatever.. But probably a good majority of us, put Michael infront of a lot of things that we should not..

I'm talking to myself too, so I'm not hating on anyone..


What about another HUMAN (That we don't know personally) attracts us so much that we spend this much time and attention to??

I'm a FAN of several people.. Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles, 2 Pac, Bruce Lee, Jean Claude Van Damme.... But I don't know even a FRACTION about them as I do Mike.. And I don't spend a FRACTION of the time learning, making graphics of him, writting about him, visiting forums to that extent..

There are several SIGNS that show 'fanatic' in MOST of us here..

Now the first step to recovery is admitting it.. Those who are willing to take the first step say..



"I"......... AM AN ADDICT"








lol! but seriously... some of us need to put our priorties in order.. INCLUDING ME.. It's very hard to, I KNOW.. I've been struggeling with it for a LONG TIME..
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That was very well-said KOPV! (Allow me to give my 2 cents, even though I mostly lurk :lurkingtroll heh: ) Just to come to this forum a lot might equal being a fanatic. But whose to say? Fanaticism can be really subjective. It's tough drawing the lines, especially judging by what other people say. For example, a couple of people here have said that investing too much time and thought and even money into something is too fanatic, but I'm not sure this is really the case. I really think it comes down to a personal level. To each their own, you know? I just ordered a MJ shirt the other day, but I also ordered a Batman shirt (another thing I'm a BIG fan of - that might just be the extent of *my* "balance" LOL :laugh: ). That's just a tiny example of my "fanhood", but yeah - I definitely have spent a lot of time, thoughts, & money over MJ. And I honestly don't know if I could have it any other way. They say if your fanaticism starts affecting your personal life, then you've gone too far. But that's something for fans to decide individually, I think. Or at least it's important for people to try and come to their own conclusions about their fanhood & what balance is because it could all be relative or not - most of us don't know about other members' personal lives on these forums, nor are we really in any position to assume or judge. Don't get me wrong - it's absolutely important to keep healthy habits though. I'm just saying it's difficult to define an exact set of rules for a fan's behavior. All I know is that I have indulged in a number of fandoms & interests over the years, but MJ is probably the only real person I've ever come to be obsessed with. That actually bothers me a little sometimes, but at the end of the day if I come away with something positive from it and it just happens to make me happy, then that's what matters to me. As far as fans go in general, well as MichaelsGuardianAngel and others have said: as long as you're not hurting anyone and still respecting Michael, that's key. Also, I gotta say - MJ fans are a different breed entirely :happy:. Seriously, I have never seen fans be so warm & kind to each other in general, and I've seen a number of different fan communities. MJ fans are aware that they all come from different places and are usually quite tolerant of each other's fanaticism & levels, so that's got to count for something too.

I dunno if that made any sense, but I hope it did.(By the way - *Raises hand* "I'm an unhealthily-obsessed MJ ADDICT... possibly." :rofl:)

cc514 said:
Obsessive behavior is dependent on one's perception. Someone may think being in an online fanclub is obsessive. I mean, how is it defined? What are its characteristics and who defines those characteristics?
I say just do you!! Don't hurt anyone or yourself:cheeky:
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You know, those questions actually make for a very fascinating anthropological topic. Hmm... :reading:
 
Yes, I admit that I'm an MJ fanatic to the fullest and proud too! lol

However, I do not let my likeness for Michael interfere with my real life. I still go to work, go to school, spend time with my b/f, go out with friends/family, etc. I will admit though that there are times when I should be doing an assignment or something important, but instead I am watching damn MJ or Jacksons video's on youtube at like 3 am lol. I can't seem to pull myself away at times. Michael and his music are addicting. I just feel like as long as you are not too overboard and realize that Michael is human and realize that he does mistakes & are realistic when it comes to him and don't let your fanatacism take over your life, then I see no problem with it. Everyone has something that they are into.

I mean some people spend their time obsessing over things like comics or cars or whatever the case is, me on the other hand, I happen to love Michael Jackson lol. Being a fan is fun for me and listening to his music or seeing a video of his always puts a smile on my face. Like I said, I think it's okay as long as you have your priorities in order and don't let your love for Mike take over your life or interfere w/ your real life.
 
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