FT article: Michael Jackson estate says accuser is trying to extract $213mn

[OnirMJ]

Wasn't Teddy Riley meant to be releasing a book regarding what happened with the Cascio tracks?

He doesn't know what happened with them. He didn't record them. He was given already recorded and mixed tracks to remix them. And like I said, he was under contract to do the job as producer/remixer so he couldn't leave the project without facing legal action from Estate. That's his whole story. He said everything in DJ Vlad interview.

 

[Hot_Street]

Teddy Riley signed the contract to produce material and promote the album BEFORE he heard the songs. After he heard the songs he said to Taryll that the vocals are not MJ. But he was already under contract. He could have leave the project and face legal actions (which he should have done) or stay and work on them. Taryll wasn't under any kind of contract so he could leave and talk whatever he wanted. Teddy's contract probably had expiration date because in recent DJ Vlad interview, he admitted that the vocals are not MJ.

I know the story.
Everyone who was involved in the songs is as bad as the Cashios, regardless of the contract.

 

[christy]

Preemptive strike by the estate...play the offence...I like the sound of that

 

[christy]

Celebrities should zip up when it comes to politics

 

[alanram]

But there was definitely no talks about making false CSA allegations back in 2010 and any deals regarding that.

I would absolutely love to know where did you hear that. You are simply creating a baseless assumption.

The big mistake some MJ fans make is thinking the Estate would ever produce something with them as the target audience. They aren’t creating products for die-hard fans; they’re creating products for the general public, who might not be as interested in the story behind the songs.

The Cascios found this way to get money and take a step forward toward their dream. Without the threat of allegations, the Estate might never have included the songs.

 

[OnirMJ]

I would absolutely love to know where did you hear that. You are simply creating a baseless assumption.

The big mistake some MJ fans make is thinking the Estate would ever produce something with them as the target audience. They aren’t creating products for die-hard fans; they’re creating products for the general public, who might not be as interested in the story behind the songs.

The Cascios found this way to get money and take a step forward toward their dream. Without the threat of allegations, the Estate might never have included the songs.

And I'm the one making "baseless assumption"

So according to your baseless assumption, were Frank's book and all his appearances on TV and various events promoting the book, also part of the contract with the Estate? Did Estate put a clause in the contract that he has to do all that and talk nice about Michael? That he has to appear in David Gest movie The Life Of An Icon and talk nice about Michael? That he has to defend Michael on his private Twitter account after LN was released?

At least my "baseless assumption" is logical and make sense while your baseless assumtion is borderline conspiracy theory.

 

[alanram]

And I'm the one making "baseless assumption"

So according to your baseless assumption, were Frank's book and all his appearances on TV and various events promoting the book, also part of the contract with the Estate? Did Estate put a clause in the contract that he has to do all that and talk nice about Michael? That he has to appear in David Gest movie The Life Of An Icon and talk nice about Michael? That he has to defend Michael on his private Twitter account after LN was released?

At least my "baseless assumption" is logical and make sense while your baseless assumtion is borderline conspiracy theory.

Well, at least you know your argument is simply a baseless assumption.

I never stated that the Cascios were under contract all these years, nor that their public appearances and posts were part of a clause.

What I did say is that there must be a connection between the inclusion of the fake songs and these allegations.

It's better to have fake songs on your album than to face five new accusers in a $200 million lawsuit.

 

[kreen]

It's better to have fake songs on your album than to face five new accusers in a $200 million lawsuit.

It is likely that the Estate thought the Cascio tracks were real, and when they started to be contested, their natural reaction was to defend them, as they had bought them.

 

[Smooth72]

It is likely that the Estate thought the Cascio tracks were real, and when they started to be contested, their natural reaction was to defend them, as they had bought them.

I think it’s more likely they knew they were fake all along. I mean it was obvious.

 

[alanram]

I think it’s more likely they knew they were fake all along. I mean it was obvious.

Exactly. That was the only part of the story that made no sense at all.

Now, the final piece of the puzzle is right in front of us.

 

[kreen]

I think it’s more likely they knew they were fake all along. I mean it was obvious.

It's crazy. There are ways to shut Eddie Cascio up without knowingly putting out on a official album songs with fake vocals -- especially since, as fans are so proud to say, it was obvious they were fake. Why would the Estate knowingly expose themselves to such complications, including legal ones?

Never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence or stupidity. And always go for the simplest explanation over a more complicated one.

They wanted new, complete MJ songs. Here was a guy with 12 of them, with a story that made sense. Sold!

 

[Smooth72]

It's crazy. There are ways to shut Eddie Cascio up without knowingly putting out on a official album songs with fake vocals -- especially since, as fans are so proud to say, it was obvious they were fake. Why would the Estate knowingly expose themselves to such complications, including legal ones?

Never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence or stupidity. And always go for the simplest explanation over a more complicated one.

They wanted new, complete MJ songs. Here was a guy with 12 of them, with a story that made sense. Sold!

It is crazy. It’s probably more like we will have a problem explaining this entire family was not abused by MJ. So they have these 12 fake songs we will pay them for to keep them out of the news and if they decide to change their mind we will question their credibility because of the fake songs. You can’t make that shit up only in Mj’s world.

 

[mjmagicfan]

Will this madness ever end? These accusations hang over MJ like an extremely bad smell.

It’s so demoralising

With PDD aka Sean Combs case going, Michael is looking like a saint. just think of poor usher and Justin bieber … You really think ppl are going to take wade and James seriously now? the only person who ought to be demoralised is Dan Reed whom belongs in prison, but won’t survive a day.

this whole move couldn’t have been played out better for MJ.

 

[mjmagicfan]

It is crazy. It’s probably more like we will have a problem explaining this entire family was not abused by MJ. So they have these 12 fake songs we will pay them for to keep them out of the news and if they decide to change their mind we will question their credibility because of the fake songs. You can’t make that shit up only in Mj’s world.

which ever might be the case, the estate have been ready for it all along. I do not believe MJs estate can be blackmailed in this manner. as far as we know, they willingly placed the fake songs in order to later discredit this family.

 

[Victorious]

The most depressing thing might be that the only one who didn't want to settle was Michael himself..

 

[angelofhope]

I can’t believe all this cr**p is happening again.
but it sounds like the estate has a handle on this to a great extent.
the fact they are coming forward now means they are ahead of the game.

 

[kreen]

however might be the case, the estate have been ready for it all along. I do not believe MJs estate can be blackmailed in this manner. as far as we know, the estate willingly placed the fake songs in order to later discredit this family.

Come on. One can have made and sold fake songs and still be a victim of sexual abuse -- do you think a judge is going to reject allegations of abuse because of an entirely different issue regarding fraudulent songs -- which the Estate, by the way, has never admitted featured fake vocals?

If anything, Eddie Cascio could say he sold the fake songs because, having been victimized, it was only fair that he would want to get something in return now. He might even claim MJ had promised to record his songs as a way to make it up to him for not having been appropriate with him when he was younger.

 

[OnirMJ]

What I did say is that there must be a connection between the inclusion of the fake songs and these allegations.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. It's just your baseless assumption and not a fact.

Everything points out that they changed their story in 2019 after seeing LN and publicity (money) Wade and James are recieving. Just like Wade was pro MJ until 2013. Before that he wanted to do every single tribute show or performance for MJ, write extremely positive book forewords etc. Only when he had nothing more to offer (to profit from) or sell he changed his story.

 

[OnirMJ]

I think it’s more likely they knew they were fake all along. I mean it was obvious.

If they knew they were fake all along, why did they staged a listening session with many of MJ's engineers and producers? To get caught?

 

[Victorious]

I can sorta imagine people at The Estate believing it was Michael's voice, if musical experts tell you it's definitely him, only with some filters/auto-tune on top of it it's difficult to openly disagree..


It's not even 100% sure it's not Michael right? I mean it's not lol, but I mean technically it can remain a 'them versus us' situation..?

 

[OnirMJ]

It is crazy. It’s probably more like we will have a problem explaining this entire family was not abused by MJ. So they have these 12 fake songs we will pay them for to keep them out of the news and if they decide to change their mind we will question their credibility because of the fake songs. You can’t make that shit up only in Mj’s world.

They didn't even know they were "abused" until 2019 when they saw how much money Wade and James are recieving from hbo, oprah, interviews, soundtracks, "healing" podcasts and various csa organizations.

 

[OnirMJ]

which ever might be the case, the estate have been ready for it all along. I do not believe MJs estate can be blackmailed in this manner. as far as we know, they willingly placed the fake songs in order to later discredit this family.

They can't discredit the family using the fake songs. Because if they admit that they intentionally released fake songs and that they knew they are fake - they would face the biggest customer fraud case in the history of music industry and all of them (the Estate, Sony Music, Jason Malachi, James Porte and the Cascio family) would all have to pay tens of millions of dollars.

So your reasoning is just idiotic. Sorry, but it is.

 

[mjmagicfan]

Come on. One can have made and sold fake songs and still be a victim of sexual abuse -- do you think a judge is going to reject allegations of abuse because of an entirely different issue regarding fraudulent songs -- which the Estate, by the way, has never admitted featured fake vocals?

If anything, Eddie Cascio could say he sold the fake songs because, having been victimized, it was only fair that he would want to get something in return now. He might even claim MJ had promised to record his songs as a way to make it up to him for not having been appropriate with him when he was younger.

forget about the songs, This will never go to court .
The Mother was mostly there and MJs relationship with the family continued and are well documented Through over 2 decades And not a crime that can be covered up.

 

[mjmagicfan]

They can't discredit the family using the fake songs. Because if they admit that they intentionally released fake songs and that they knew they are fake - they would face the biggest customer fraud case in the history of music industry and all of them (the Estate, Sony Music, Jason Malachi, James Porte and the Cascio family) would all have to pay tens of millions of dollars.

So your reasoning is just idiotic. Sorry, but it is.

I am not saying the estate is going to discredit them in court, because it will never go to court. All I mean to say is that people should give the estate a bit more credit.

 

[dam2040]

They didn't even know they were "abused" until 2019 when they saw how much money Wade and James are recieving from hbo, oprah, interviews, soundtracks, "healing" podcasts and various csa organizations.

Have they even said that?

The understanding is the Estate approached them, and that’s when they said we’ll flip unless you pay us.

It just sounds like extortion. They haven’t actually alleged anything, as far as I’m aware. Just threatened it.

 

[kelley]

This thread on reddit makes some great points

https://www.reddit.com/r/MJInnocent/comments/1fnduvd

 

[zinniabooklover]

This thread on reddit makes some great points

https://www.reddit.com/r/MJInnocent/comments/1fnduvd

It really does. I had many of the same doubts myself. I tried to nail down the time line for the two reports - the FT one which claimed it was a scoop - and the Stacy Brown one and didn't get anywhere. And, sure, two different news reports on the same story could def have different details depending on the reporter's contacts etc. But there are some weird differences in these two accounts. I came to the same conclusion - something isn't adding up here.

I hadn't noticed the mj vibe piece being deleted. That's interesting. I posted that one bc they asked some pertinent questions at the end.

 

[Korgnex]

Why is it not strange that people would fall for this? (Fall for it)
Who is that hated family you're thinking of? (You're thinking of)

THIS IS FAKIN' NEWS (FAKIN' THE NEWS)


This just proves that people working for big names publications (FT) are still horrible in verifying their so-called sources. LMAO!
Spreading complete nonsense like this is the very same social issue currently prevalent in the USA that led to a fraudster named Donald J. Trump becoming president in 2016 and Janet Jackson falling for tabloid reports about Kamala Harris' ancestry.

 

[kreen]

Why is it not strange that people would fall for this? (Fall for it)
Who is that hated family you're thinking of? (You're thinking of)

THIS IS FAKIN' NEWS (FAKIN' THE NEWS)


This just proves that people working for big names publications (FT) are still horrible in verifying their so-called sources. LMAO!
Spreading complete nonsense like this is the very same social issue currently prevalent in the USA that led to a fraudster named Donald J. Trump becoming president in 2016 and Janet Jackson falling for tabloid reports about Kamala Harris' ancestry.

The Financial Times is not some no-name website, it's a serious newspaper. The article was written by their US media editor, and a note at the end adds that the Estate added some info to the original article. If this were "fake news" Branca would have issued a statement and the article would be withdrawn. It's been picked up by The Telegraph and Billboard.

 

[Oldtimer]

If

The Financial Times is not some no-name website, it's a serious newspaper. The article was written by their US media editor, and a note at the end adds that the Estate added some info to the original article. If this were "fake news" Branca would have issued a statement and the article would be withdrawn. It's been picked up by The Telegraph and Billboard.

Who is that US media editor?