[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[marc_vivien]

Re: [Discussion] Sexual abuse claims against MJ Estate (Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe)

02/02/2017 at 08:30 am in Department WEM, Mitchell L. Beckloff, Presiding
Motion to Compel (WADE ROBSON'S COMPLIANCE INPRODUCING DOCUMENTS) - Motion Granted

 

[Bubs]

Re: [Discussion] Sexual abuse claims against MJ Estate (Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe)

02/02/2017 at 08:30 am in Department WEM, Mitchell L. Beckloff, Presiding
Motion to Compel (WADE ROBSON'S COMPLIANCE INPRODUCING DOCUMENTS) - Motion Granted

If judge granted the estate lawyers motion, wouldn't that include computers as well because it was part of the motion?

 

[Soundmind]

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Haters posted this.

I knew Beckloff would not give him any sanctions but I hoped for the computer search. At least he was told to produce more e-mails and the electronic version of the book with metadata, but I don't trust him that he will hand over everything by himself if he hasn't before. He will just keep claiming he is unable to find them and that will be it.

BTW, haters posted it only a couple of hours after the ruling, it proves a close contact between them and Wade and his lawyers. But Wade doesn't know who they are, acc. to his deposition. Alright.

So if he cannot find them, but a computer specialist can and such information is vital to the case, why is it a problem to handover the computer to the specialist to find them? If the judge believes Wade does not want to hide anything and he is so sure of that then let a specialist help him!

 

[redfrog]

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Haters posted this.

Haters can say this but where is the proof? They didn't post the transcript so we cannot know what the judge really said.
Haters says nothing about the attachments, the improper redactions and obviously the judge had to make a decision on those too.
The issue is not just "more emails" and the metadata. Something tells me haters are omitting and spinning like crazy.

I knew Beckloff would not give him any sanctions

I suspected it too but only because Beckloff has been so wishy washy.
I wonder what Robson's substantial justification is.

Is it common not to give sanctions after the first motion to compel? Only if the party does
not comply after the motion is granted?

I know the Neverland 5's lawyer was sanctioned for withholding evidence but I don't know
anything about the circumstances of that ruling.

 

[myosotis]

Re: [Discussion] Sexual abuse claims against MJ Estate (Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe)

Haters posted this.


I knew Beckloff would not give him any sanctions but I hoped for the computer search. At least he was told to produce more e-mails and the electronic version of the book with metadata, but I don't trust him that he will hand over everything by himself if he hasn't before. He will just keep claiming he is unable to find them and that will be it.

BTW, haters posted it only a couple of hours after the ruling, it proves a close contact between them and Wade and his lawyers. But Wade doesn't know who they are, acc. to his deposition. Alright.

Maybe the judge doesn't feel that he needs much more evidence before he decides whether to dismiss / recommend for trial? (Hopefully the former).

Interesting that the 'hater site' doesn't mention progress on jane doe?

 

[redfrog]

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I never thought Beckloff would sanction him. Not now. But I hoped for the computer search because I don't trust Wade will produce everything if it is only up to him. Otherwise he was told he has to hand over the e-mails, even ones he claimed to be privileged before and he is also ordered to hand over the book with metadata. So it's not quite a win for Robson despite of hater's celebratory tone, unless they are so relieved he will not be searched because they were scared what it would reveal about their man and his lies.

How do you know the judge didn't order a search? Do you have any other source other than the haters' statement?

What about the redactions and the attachments? Was he ordered to remove / hand over those too?

 

[InvincibleMJ]

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It says so in the photo. If they lied about it we will find out eventually but I don't think they lied about the ruling. I think they desperately want to make it look like a win but the motion is actually granted so either way it's not a result Wade wished for.

 

[redfrog]

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It says so in the photo. If they lied about it we will find out eventually but I don't think they lied about the ruling. I think they desperately want to make it look like a win but the motion is actually granted so either way it's not a result Wade wished for.

No doubt they are spinning this as much as they can that's why I'd like to see a credible source about what exactly was granted
and what the judge actually said during the hearing.
How could he believe that Robson didn't intentionally hide evidence when he didn't even mention that book
for three years, for one thing. He forgot that he wrote a book about his "abuse"?
He forgot that he had more than one email where he talked about the "abuse"?
It just makes no sense.

 

[ivy]

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Guys relax. We will try to get the ruling and/or the hearing transcript so that we will know the specifics soon.

Still regardless of how others present it, this is still a win. No one expected or really cared about Robson being fined. The only thing Beckloff did not grant was the forensic examination of the accounts. He might be giving the benefit of the doubt and telling robson to make sure he gives everything. I'm sure he will magically find more stuff. If he doesn't and Estate can still see missing things they can go back to Beckloff who then can order a third party search. It looks like Estate is also getting the original book document as well as will get the emails without redaction. So it's good.

As for Jane Doe, I don't expect much in that regard, the last I checked Estate weren't even served with the complaint and the case was being transferred between judges. It looks like it is finally assigned to Beckloff so I assume this was just a hearing to start the process on that one.

 

[barbee0715]

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Judge Beckloff always says nice things to both sides. He complimented both side's attorneys' work before he pointed out things where Wade contradicted himself and he threw out the probate case.
I wish he had the temperament of the judge who presided over Michael's murder case.

 

[redfrog]

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Judge Beckloff always says nice things to both sides. He complimented both side's attorneys' work before he pointed out things where Wade contradicted himself and he threw out the probate case.
I wish he had the temperament of the judge who presided over Michael's murder case.

Right. I liked Judge Pastor too. Particularly during sentencing.
Beckloff acts like he is on a diplomatic mission. I wish he was like that judge who put Michael Egan in his place when he lied. And Egan's lies
were nothing compared to Robson's lies.

 

[jaydom7]

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Guys relax. We will try to get the ruling and/or the hearing transcript so that we will know the specifics soon.

Still regardless of how others present it, this is still a win. No one expected or really cared about Robson being fined. The only thing Beckloff did not grant was the forensic examination of the accounts. He might be giving the benefit of the doubt and telling robson to make sure he gives everything. I'm sure he will magically find more stuff. If he doesn't and Estate can still see missing things they can go back to Beckloff who then can order a third party search. It looks like Estate is also getting the original book document as well as will get the emails without redaction. So it's good.

As for Jane Doe, I don't expect much in that regard, the last I checked Estate weren't even served with the complaint and the case was being transferred between judges. It looks like it is finally assigned to Beckloff so I assume this was just a hearing to start the process on that one.

Ivy, is this a win for the estate?

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: [Discussion] Sexual abuse claims against MJ Estate (Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe)

Thanks for the update. Good ruling

 

[KOPV]

Re: [Discussion] Sexual abuse claims against MJ Estate (Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe)

Lets remember Michael was found Not Guilty in a case that had the largest raid in American history, collected as much 'evidence' they could.. There is no logical way Robson (or other) can win a case when the largest of all - Michael was exonerated!

 

[#MJforever57]

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Let see what Wade and his lawyers come up with now.

 

[wendijane]

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wade, they should nuke you first.

 

[terrell]

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Lets remember Michael was found Not Guilty in a case that had the largest raid in American history, collected as much 'evidence' they could.. There is no logical way Robson (or other) can win a case when the largest of all - Michael was exonerated!

You just summed it up. And that was when people were interested. Haters can go hide and get a life. Still chasing a lie on a man who is now gone. They look foolish.

 

[#MJforever57]

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You just summed it up. And that was when people were interested. Haters can go hide and get a life. Still chasing a lie on a man who is now gone. They look foolish.

I agree and that why this mess should end.

 

[redfrog]

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Lets remember Michael was found Not Guilty in a case that had the largest raid in American history, collected as much 'evidence' they could.. There is no logical way Robson (or other) can win a case when the largest of all - Michael was exonerated!

Logic never mattered when it comes to MJ. People saw the Sandusky investigation and how after Aaron Fisher came forward
tons of evidence including 7 other victims who were wiling to testify were uncovered. And they still keep saying that MJ got away with it
in 1994 because Chandler was paid off.

Let's assume Aaron Fisher had been paid off. Because Sandusky was a real serial molester and there was a serious investigation even without Aaron
the DA had more than enough evidence to get an indictment.

By 1993 MJ spent many years hanging out with various boys there's no way if he had been a serial molester Sneddon and Garcetti
wouldn't have found enough ammunition against him, especially with three raids and 400 witnesses interviewed during
a 14 months of investigation. 400!
You can indict a ham sandwich, it's easy.
One doesn't become a pedophile at age 35 for Jordan Chandler when
he had innocent brotherly relationship with all the other boys.
If despite spending so many months and so much money even using coercive interviewing tactics
they still couldn't indict him that's proof he was not a molester. Logically, at least.

 

[redfrog]

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Can we keep all the Sandusky discussion out of here? This "Sandusky this, Sandusky that" is starting to get a bit annoying. If you want to discuss Sandusky all the time please create a seperate thread for it in the relevant (non-MJ) section.

You have a very special definition of "all the time". I mentioned that case maybe four times on this thread and only to illustrate
the difference between a real serial molester case and Mj's case. Tons of people compare MJ to Sandusky when in fact they
are the exact opposite. Since the 2005 trial was mentioned as evidence that no incriminating evidence was found so how could Robson have anything I pointed out that it's not just the trial but the 1993 investigation itself is totally contrary what you get in
real serial molester cases Bennell, Sandusky, Geoghan or Saville, you name it.

 

[barbee0715]

Re: [Discussion] Sexual abuse claims against MJ Estate (Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe)

You have a very special definition of "all the time". I mentioned that case maybe four times on this thread and only to illustrate
the difference between a real serial molester case and Mj's case. Tons of people compare MJ to Sandusky when in fact they
are the exact opposite. Since the 2005 trial was mentioned as evidence that no incriminating evidence was found so how could Robson have anything I pointed out that it's not just the trial but the 1993 investigation itself is totally contrary what you get in
real serial molester cases Bennell, Sandusky, Geoghan or Saville, you name it.

The thing is, redfrog, is that you don't have to compare these real molestation cases to Michael's, because we all know that he didn't do it and wasn't a molester, much less a serial one.

I'd save it for the comment sections on news/entertainment sites where people do like to compare the cases. I've seen you, or someone very much like you, post a ton of facts there-however, it's usually trolls you're talking to, and they don't read the arguments either. The only good thing about posting on those sites is for the uninformed reader who has no opinion and doesn't really know the truth.

 

[#MJforever57]

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The thing is, redfrog, is that you don't have to compare these real molestation cases to Michael's, because we all know that he didn't do it and wasn't a molester, much less a serial one.

I'd save it for the comment sections on news/entertainment sites where people do like to compare the cases. I've seen you, or someone very much like you, post a ton of facts there-however, it's usually trolls you're talking to, and they don't read the arguments either. The only good thing about posting on those sites is for the uninformed reader who has no opinion and doesn't really know the truth.

You are right.

 

[redfrog]

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The thing is, redfrog, is that you don't have to compare these real molestation cases to Michael's, because we all know that he didn't do it and wasn't a molester, much less a serial one.

Yes but we also know that Gutierrez is a disgusting liar and we still post evidence here that he is a disgusting liar.
We know Mj's books had nothing to do with pedophilia but we still post about his books not having anything to do with pedophilia.
We know Robson is a liar and his story is full of holes but we still post about his lies and why his story is full of holes.
I don't see how comparing MJ's case to real molester cases is in any way different than those other arguments supporting
his innocence. The British in particular like to compare him to Glitter, Saville I think it's important to know how to counter those
misconceptions.

 

[myosotis]

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^ I agree that it's helpful to discuss Gutierrez, claims in press reports etc during the course of these case hearings where current issues need to be 'debunked' (or clarified, eg by showing that a complaint relates to specific evidence from a prior case, or from Gutierrez etc). However, this thread is already very complex as it includes three complaints all at different stages of progress, and adding discussion about other cases does make it difficult to keep track. We were not anticipating three complaints when this thread started, and I think a fair bit of general discussion was helpful at the beginning....but it would be good to try and keep on track with the current case(s) progress and concentrate on that now.

 

[#MJforever57]

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This is why these cases need to be dismiss there is no truth in these cases nothing but lies on top of lies. All Wade and his lawyers are trying to do is to keep these cases going.

 

[SarahJ]

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I'll bet Robson & Co are keeping an eagle eye on the IRS trial, just waiting to see what the outcome is.

 

[PoP]

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This is why these cases need to be dismiss there is no truth in these cases nothing but lies on top of lies. All Wade and his lawyers are trying to do is to keep these cases going.

AAH!!! Damn these b@$^@#%$, we know the case is going nowhere, but they're gonna keep at it until the judge takes their case? That's the work of the devil they're representing here and I'm getting sick and tired of it going on and on and on.

 

[KOPV]

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When I run up on someone that still questions IF he did it or not, I almost get taken back by it..


Though it's annoying when I deal with it, I'll say I appreciate the fact that I am In a time that I can ben 'taken back' by someone who believes Michael as guilty.. Much of my life I had the feeling of needing to constantly defend Mike against everyone.. Now the tide has shifted for sure!

 

[#MJforever57]

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I bet you too Wade and his devils are watching that trial.

 

[Goddess4Real]

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I bet you too Wade and his devils are watching that trial.

Of course they are.....to give them more ideas etc