[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[magiktori]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

LOL, really Finaldi? That's the ****ing stupidest thing I've read all day. This whole thing is stupid.

yeah is she was absued why would she keep all that stuff it reads like a spuned fan she should sell it its worth money she clearly want ir maybe she just wanta the world to know she was friends with mj and he moved on when she ourgrew him

 

[Rhilo]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

This is getting ridiculous by the day. I don't even want to waste my time reading this drivel by people desperate for a big payout.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I actually believe the more sexual abuse claims in the media against public figures the less credible these decades old accusations become. Real victims of abuse will find it more and more difficult to have people believe their stories, because it seems the trendin the last two decade is to use such claims to either ruin people lives with such accusation for a personal feud or try to become a millionaire On the back of some celebrity or an institution. After years of hearing that people would never do such thing for money especially children, it is obvious now that people are willing to go that route for monetary gain.

Agree totally. After a while a think like this becomes obvious as a money grab even to people who aren't necessarily fond of MJ.

This MAY have been taken on the same day as the Bad choreography rehearsal videos- the ones with Jeffrey Daniel?

I was wondering about that too but someone said to me it is a different tie so I am not sure.

 

[Bad7]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I haven't had time to read full complaint but what did they say about where this girl spent nearly a million she got from MJ and where the parents aware of that money?

They said nothing regarding the parents being aware of the money. The complaint has very little detail.

 

[valeryjackson]

A woman is suing Michael Jackson's estate claiming that he molested her when she was a teen and paid her close to $1 million in hush money to keep her quiet.

The plaintiff, identified only as Jane Doe in the lawsuit, is now a 42-year-old mother.

“My client was sexually abused by Michael Jackson in the mid 80’s to the late 80’s, beginning when she was 13 all the way through the time she was 15 years old,” attorney Vince Finaldi said.

The woman claimed the late King of Pop began abusing her in 1986 when her parents took her to his Hayvenhurst home on a sightseeing trip. Jackson spotted her as he was driving into the gate and invited the family inside.

“After that, he began calling her house, speaking with her,” Finaldi added.

The lawyer said Jackson invited his client to visit him at his home and on movie sets, where the abuse allegedly took place.

Finaldi claimed Jackson sent his accuser notes including one that read: “I really like talking to you. And you are so sweet…I love you and miss you very much. All my love. Michael.”

Another note said: “Please come to see me. Your mother and dad are nice. Bye. I love you. M.J.”

The accuser claimed she received more than $900,000 from Jackson over three years.

Her attorney showed CBS2/KCAL9’s Tom Wait the checks, including three in the amounts of $600,000, $150,000 and $130,000.

Finaldi said his client came forward now for multiple reasons. “The Jackson camp was saying well, you know, he didn’t only have boys around. He had girls around him. And there were girls at Neverland. And there were girls in his bedroom. And he’s never sexually abused a girl. She said: ‘Well you know in fact, I’m a girl, and he sexually abused me,” the lawyer claimed.

An attorney for Jackson’s estate released this statement to TMZ:

“This is yet another attempt to hit the lottery by suing the Estate of Michael Jackson more than seven years after Michael’s death and close to 30 years after these incidents supposedly occurred. We believe this claim was created from whole cloth and is without any merit. It’s also no coincidence that this woman is represented by the same attorneys involved in two other frivolous claims against the Estate.”

Source: cbs and mirror.co.uk

 

[HIStory]

Re: Woman claims that Michael abused her when she was 12

Is this really necessary when we are already discussing it in the Robson thread? And from The Mirror at that. Ugh.

 

[Lil]

This MAY have been taken on the same day as the Bad choreography rehearsal videos- the ones with Jeffrey Daniel?

this footage?

Looks similar but it does seem like a different tie..

Btw, I don't understand.. if WR filing his lawsuit without getting 'physically harmed' is the reason she's suing now too, then why did she wait another 3 years? Or is she claiming she found out about his lawsuit just now - exactly at the same time Finaldi the victim-fisher starts representing him? What an amazing coincidence..

Also, this quote: "Finaldi said his client came forward now for multiple reasons. “The Jackson camp was saying well, you know, he didn’t only have boys around. He had girls around him. And there were girls at Neverland. And there were girls in his bedroom. And he’s never sexually abused a girl. She said: ‘Well you know in fact, I’m a girl, and he sexually abused me”

..I haven't seen the 'Jackson camp' say anything like that recently, but I've heard Michael himself say it many times after '93, so why in the world would that be a reason for her to come forward now instead of earlier? I swear, the more they talk the less sense they make.

 

[Soundmind]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So even the estate does not know her name?

 

[marinajacksonlove]

Re: Woman claims that Michael abused her when she was 12

I'm so sick of all this people, if that was true she should have told the police 30 years ago, not now.
Thanks for the article though

 

[ILoveHIStory]

Re: Woman claims that Michael abused her when she was 12

I think its ok to have it as a separated thread from WR/JS

 

[redfrog]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It's not all over US media. Abc7 had it on their web site but nothing else I can see except Radar. Daily Mail and a few foreign sites.
DM said Finaldi explained that she was a tomboy and looked like a BOY-and Michael was confused. Yet, he fondled her genitals and raped her. For years. He really must have been confused.
These people are just funny. I hate they want to get rid of that statute for this kind of reason.

So now MJ doesn't know the difference between boys and girls.
Zonen and Sneddon did their very best to emphasize that MJ was not interested in girls at all.
I guess he was not confused in every other case BUT this one.

And of course it's easy for them to say that she looked like a boy since they are not willing to show who she is.
Brilliant.

 

[etoile 37]

Re: Woman claims that Michael abused her when she was 12

I wonder how MJ haters are taking this... The ones who love so much the thought of MJ being interested only in boys...

Anyway, that's a cute picture of Michael.

 

[HIStory]

Also, this quote: "Finaldi said his client came forward now for multiple reasons. “The Jackson camp was saying well, you know, he didn’t only have boys around. He had girls around him. And there were girls at Neverland. And there were girls in his bedroom. And he’s never sexually abused a girl. She said: ‘Well you know in fact, I’m a girl, and he sexually abused me”

..I haven't seen the 'Jackson camp' say anything like that recently, but I've heard Michael himself say it many times after '93, so why in the world would that be a reason for her to come forward now instead of earlier? I swear, the more they talk the less sense they make.

Michael said that because people always kept asking (eg. Diane Sawyer) him "why do you always hang with boys, never girls?" I lost count how many time I have seen people say that when that's not true. And that's what MJ was answering to. This narrative that he was only interested in hanging with boys - and in fact, hated girls - is a hater/prosecution/Victor Guiterrez/Diane Dimond narrative. In actuality, the MJ hated females narrative is also there in Safechuck's allegations because he took a lot of his stuff from VG.

So when fans said in defense of MJ he also hung with girls, it was in answer to those hater claims. Obviously now haters will change their narrative to boys and girls and after all those years of ignoring all the female kids around him and in fact, burying their photos, now they will start a whole new chapter on that. But it is ridiculous that after arguing all these years that MJ hated girls now all of a sudden he molests them too. But these people will claim just anything to trash him in a very opportunistic way. But I am sure Finaldi would have been happier with a male accuser. That ridiculously desperate thing about how "she was a tomboy so maybe MJ mistook her for a boy" shows that. Even in that pic with her face fully blocked out it is totally clear it is a girl. LOL.

 

[LindavG]

Btw, I don't understand.. if WR filing his lawsuit without getting 'physically harmed' is the reason she's suing now too, then why did she wait another 3 years? Or is she claiming she found out about his lawsuit just now - exactly at the same time Finaldi the victim-fisher starts representing him? What an amazing coincidence..

Forget Wade. What about Chandler, Francia and Arvizo? They're doing just fine so why didn't she realise all the way back in 1993 or 2005 that she wouldn't be harmed or go to jail if she went public with her allegations? For a woman in her 30s to believe this requires serious and persistent brainwashing, she wouldn't be able to function in a normal manner. Yet somehow she expects us to believe that up until a month ago she didn't even make the connection between her psychological issues and the years of childhood sexual abuse by the most famous man in the world.

Also...

Why would Michael send her cheques that can easily be traced (and of which she has copies herself) if he wanted to keep this a secret - and why didn't he do this with any other 'victim'?

How was Michael able to transfer almost a million dollars in cheques to a teenage girl, part of it in October 1993, without the FBI or the girl's parents noticing anything?

Why on earth would she keep notes from her abuser for three decades? It's not like they prove anything and some of them weren't even written by Michael himself.

None of this makes any sense. Just another pathetic and obvious money grab. The fact that Wade sought out these unscrupulous lawyers to represent him speaks volumes for me.

Also, this quote: "Finaldi said his client came forward now for multiple reasons. “The Jackson camp was saying well, you know, he didn’t only have boys around. He had girls around him. And there were girls at Neverland. And there were girls in his bedroom. And he’s never sexually abused a girl. She said: ‘Well you know in fact, I’m a girl, and he sexually abused me”

..I haven't seen the 'Jackson camp' say anything like that recently, but I've heard Michael himself say it many times after '93, so why in the world would that be a reason for her to come forward now instead of earlier? I swear, the more they talk the less sense they make.

Looks like they're trying the Trump tactic. You know Trump denied on national TV that he had ever assaulted a woman and soon after a flood of women (a dozen within days) came out and said "actually, he did assault me" - many of them with numerous corroborating witnesses and such. But that's not what happened here, so far this "Jane Doe" is the only female victim to come forward despite weeks of desperate fishing by these lawyers.

I guess this is the "shocking revelation" Finaldi was talking about in that radio interview a few weeks back.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So even the estate does not know her name?

I wonder about when they will learn the name. Eventually they will have to have it, otherwise they are handicapped in their defence if they don't even know the person they should do discovery on. Whether the public will know is a different matter.

I actually do not see any reason for her name to be sealed and I hope the Judge will unseal it. I mean every defendant has a right to face his accuser. Now, I know it isn't a criminal trial and MJ isn't here anyway but someone is trashing his name and then hides behind anonimity. That is not fair and at the very least the public should know the person who is doing this. While it is a civil case, it basically tries a criminal matter by nature (which is another unfair thing, but that's a different subejct).

Of course they will claim stuff like she is scared of those incredibly dangerous MJ fans who have never done anything to any MJ accuser except for a couple of disapproving FB comments (but not to the point of harrassment), but I think there is more to this. Possibly they don't want the public to know the name because she would be easily debunked.

 

[Lil]

Michael said that because people always kept asking (eg. Diane Sawyer) him "why do you always hang with boys, never girls?" I lost count how many time I have seen people say that when that's not true. And that's what MJ was answering to.

^ I know, but that quote made it seem like she felt she had to come forward now, (I thought she was afraid to be harmed, but ok), to prove he did also molest girls. While Michael has been saying he had girls around too for decades, so why didn't she want to come out and say "well you know in fact, I’m a girl, and you sexually abused me" after he said it in the Diane Sawyer interview or the countless other times he mentioned it? It just doesn't make any sense as an explanation for why she's coming forward now instead of 20 years ago. But of course, none of it does :dntknw:

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Why would Michael send her cheques that can easily be traced (and of which she has copies herself) if he wanted to keep this a secret - and why didn't he do this with any other 'victim'?

And why didn't he just pay off the Chandlers who offered to go away and keep silent for $1 million?

 

[HIStory]

Re: Woman claims that Michael abused her when she was 12

I think its ok to have it as a separated thread from WR/JS

The conversation is going on there already since yesterday. It is also related to Robson/Safechuck as it is by the same lawyers.

 

[redfrog]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Why would Michael send her cheques that can easily be traced (and of which she has copies herself) if he wanted to keep this a secret - and why didn't he do this with any other 'victim'?

Why on earth would she keep notes from her abuser for three decades? It's not like they prove anything and some of them weren't even written by Michael himself.

None of this makes any sense. .

Yep I asked the same questions. These idiots don't realize that a criminal would not pay hush money
with checks unless he is an idiot especially not during a criminal investigation in 1993!
He would pay in cash.

And Robson Safechuck and this woman ALL had the strange habit of keeping his letters, pictures, gifts
even as adults because they all loved a serial child molester so much they just couldn't get rid of his stuff.

 

[Lil]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

For a woman in her 30s to believe this requires serious and persistent brainwashing

Yeah, another miraculous thing.. Wade and Safechuck actually seemed to have had a pretty close friendship with him, and they came up with the whole story of being brainwashed into thinking it was consensual and that it was 'love', but none of that in this complaint so far.. they only offer an explanation as to why she didn't say anything (because she was threatened etc.) but nothing on why she actually kept going back to see him after he first started molesting her? He wasn't a constant factor in her life at all, and it takes a firm grip on a child to make them put themselves in this kind of situation again and again. A few phone calls and a signed poster aren't gonna cut it

 

[ILoveHIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Guys, PLEASE, COMMENT ARTICLES AND LET THE PEOPLE KNOW THE FACTS.

We can not ignore this bs.

People out there... I guess..., believe in some hush money for unidentified what? They think of a crime by paying for something... beforehand thinking rationally of circumstances surrounding the bs allegation.

we have to believe that MJs companies or the Estate can show the payments and have the saved documentaries and files aboot these transactions.
But people discussing the articles posed as judges, as usual, knowing that some checks are the proof of anything, but till these days, nobody knows what exactly for.
The allegations are not about graphic details, but the checks or payments.

We should comment the articles and let people know the facts.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So is she trying to sue the companies or going down the route of sueing mj cause i didnt know mj was gone or i just realised i was abused.

 

[KOPV]

Re: Woman claims that Michael abused her when she was 12

how many ways can I spell B.S?

 

[KOPV]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

another one jumping on the bandwagon.. and look she has notes with Michael calling himself "The Monopoly King" oh the evidence I tell ya! cuz playful banter about being good at Monopoly could not be what he meant..

ironic how the layers are using her to monopolize the attack on MJ!

 

[myosotis]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yep I asked the same questions. These idiots don't realize that a criminal would not pay hush money
with checks unless he is an idiot especially not during a criminal investigation in 1993!
He would pay in cash.

And Robson Safechuck and this woman ALL had the strange habit of keeping his letters, pictures, gifts
even as adults because they all loved a serial child molester so much they just couldn't get rid of his stuff.

Actually, when I looked to see what MJ was doing on the dates of the cheques, the largest cheque is the most interesting.
23/12/93, $600k, was paid the day after MJ appeared on CBS, NBC, CNN and ABC live when he spoke in his defence. (LaToya's infamous interview was a week or so earlier, on 8th Dec.)

The cheque for $130k on 21/01/93 was between the 19/11/93: 52nd Presidential inaugural gala - MJ sings Gone too Soon
and 25/01/93: 20th American Music Awards- MJ received International Artist Award from ET.
I can't see much of interest on the other dates.


C. 18/12/1991 ($10k) :girl aged 17ish
18/12 MJ took Brooke ******* out for dinner

G. 11/10/93 ($10k) 'for Entertainment'
11/10/93 MJ on tour in Buenos Aires - throws pillows and paper aeroplanes from hotel window to fans below

 

[Allusio]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I really want to know who this woman is. Something tells me it will say a lot.

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So this is the big story another victim and she is a girl. Well let see how long it will take before we hear again what Latoya said about her brother and the checks she claim she saw that Michael had paid these family hush money.


Wade and his lawyers really want this money now.

 

[PoP]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So this is the big story another victim and she is a girl. Well let see how long it will take before we hear again what Latoya said about her brother and the checks she claim she saw that Michael had paid these family hush money.


Wade and his lawyers really want this money now.

Okay let's not drag LaToya into this, we already knew she said about the checks and all that wasn't really her own words, it's was all coached by that b@$^@#% Jack Gordon who hated Michael and wanted him down.

 

[myosotis]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

In the 'Other correspondence' are these notes:

http://[URL=https://imageshack.com/i/plrvMhrbj][/URL]

http://[URL=https://imageshack.com/i/pomAPE16j][/URL]

Which I think may relate to this film:

Boys Town (Wiki)
Boys Town is a 1938 biographical drama film based on Father Edward J. Flanagan's work with a group of underprivileged and delinquent boys in a home that he founded and named "Boys Town". It stars Spencer Tracy as Father Edward J. Flanagan, and Mickey Rooney with Henry Hull, Leslie Fenton, and Gene Reynolds

A convicted murderer asks to make his confession on the day of his execution. He is visited by an old friend, Father Flanagan (Spencer Tracy) who runs a home for indigent men in Omaha, Nebraska. When the prison officials suggest that the condemned man owes the state a debt, Father Flanagan witnesses the condemned man's diatribe to prison officials and a reporter that describes his awful plight as a homeless and friendless boy who was a ward in state institutions. After the convicted man asks the officials to leave, Father Flanagan provides some comfort and wisdom. On the train back to Omaha, Father Flanagan is transformed in his humanitarian mission by revelations (echoed in the words) imparted by the condemned man's litany of hardships experienced as a child without friends or family as a ward of the state.
Father Flanagan believes there is no such thing as a bad boy and spends his life attempting to prove it. He battles indifference, the legal system, and often the boys themselves, to build a sanctuary which he calls Boys Town. The boys have their own government, make their own rules, and dish out their own punishment. One boy, Whitey Marsh (Mickey Rooney) is as much as anyone can handle. Whitey's older brother, in prison for murder, asks Father Flanagan to take Whitey (himself a poolroom shark and tough talking hoodlum) to Boys Town. Whitey's older brother escapes custody during transfer to federal prison. After thinking he has caused the death of a younger boy, Whitey leaves the un-fenced Boys Town and wanders the streets of town. Whitey is accused of bank robbery and murder on circumstantial evidence. Popular sentiment (stirred by sensationalized media reports headed by an unsympathetic newspaper owner) turns against Boys Town, and it seems likely the home will be permanently closed. Whitey joins his brother, but Father Flanagan rescues Whitey and helps capture the gang in the act of robbery. Whitey and Father Flanagan return to Boys Town

(The highlighted part is interesting...especially as MJ's notes pre-date 1993)
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I'm curious about this note:

http://[URL=https://imageshack.com/i/pl2gtMQej][/URL]

It's unusual for teen boys to be 'entertained' by girls....I wonder if she had some link to film / video stores or something similar (via her parents)?

I wonder if Dave Dave remembers her?

 

[PoP]

Re: Woman claims that Michael abused her when she was 12

Now Finaldi's going into my list now.