[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

People's has 1900 comments already that I glanced thru. No one defending Michael


And this is why the Estate should do everything to refute this nonsense in the media!
All these idiots believe this BS because the facts are never issued by the Estate not even on MJ's facebook page.


After reviewing thousands of pages of evidence we have come to the shocking conclusion that Michael Jackson and select few managing agents/employees of MJJ Productions and MJJ Ventures inner circle designed, developed and operated what is likely the most sophisticated child sexual abuse procurement and facilitation organization the world has known," said victim's attorney Vince Finaldi.


And of course those same documents were not available for Sneddon Zonen the FBI the LAPD
noone ever saw those documents before Robson's newly appointed lawyers.
They came to this shocking conclusion NOW even though the very reason why they sued the companies
was that Robson claimed they knew about the abuse and covered it up.
Robson's former lawyers somehow were unable to come to the "shocking conclusion" looking at the very same documents.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I wouldn't be surprised if the next plan of attack is to hold a press conference, that is what they did a couple of years ago with Bryan Singer the director of the X-Men.....they went on a media blitz using Michael Egan and his mother to get sympathy from public and the media.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

You saw how well that went
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yuuup they withdrew the complaint against Michael Singer....with some of the media suggesting that Singer paid Egan off etc. Robson's lawyers have taken a page out of Sneddon's play book.....chopping and changing allegations hoping for a similar outcome.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I'll admit that I was unnerved by 1900 comments on one story, but I just flipped through a lot, but not all. I'm upset enough over it without dwelling on some public reaction.
I wouldn't be surprised about a press conference since that's Gloria Alreds usual plan of attack. And these attys seem similar. Wade would be a better speaker than that Michael guy was in the Singer case. If that happens, the estate will most likely respond.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I'll admit that I was unnerved by 1900 comments on one story, but I just flipped through a lot, but not all. I'm upset enough over it without dwelling on some public reaction.
I wouldn't be surprised about a press conference since that's Gloria Alreds usual plan of attack. And these attys seem similar. Wade would be a better speaker than that Michael guy was in the Singer case. If that happens, the estate will most likely respond.


And that is also what they want a public slanging match and will created more publicity for them......MJ is a dream come true for the lawyers who are now repping Robson.....its their Superbowl.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If the comments section upset you why are you reading it?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So, I see that references to 'Decedent' are being replaced with 'Michael Jackson'........(I thought I was joking when I wrote earlier today that Wade would claim that Michael was both here and not here)..........

Yep their are saying that Michael lure these kids to the companies and then sexual abuse them and the companies did nothing about it.

Michael was removed from the claim you can not sue a dead man
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Re. Respect's earlier comment on Para 81
(Wade is so unable to work, film, direct and dance. LOL.)...

He has now deleted the text re. his current plans for work in LA....so I guess somebody is reading here, and advising him accordingly.....


Irony of the week: Wade Robson sharing (and therefore presumably supporting) a video from 'Occupy Democrats' which is captioned (by OD) 'Pres. Obama vents about how the media just lets Trump lie'

I guess that will also disappear...
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

He has now deleted the text re. his current plans for work in LA....so I guess somebody is reading here, and advising him accordingly......

Too late, I already got a screenshot of it.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Bingo.....it makes perfect sense that this is one of the best MJ forums, that they would see what the latest news, feedback etc in regards to the case, and adjust their claims etc accordingly. After all they want this to be tried in the public and by social media, to force a settlement or poison a potential jury should this go to trial. That is their end game.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Bingo.....it makes perfect sense that this is one of the best MJ forums, that they would see what the latest news, feedback etc in regards to the case, and adjust their claims etc accordingly. After all they want this to be tried in the public and by social media, to force a settlement or poison a potential jury should this go to trial. That is their end game.

You got it.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yep their are saying that Michael lure these kids to the companies and then sexual abuse them and the companies did nothing about it.


And somehow no one asks the obvious question: why would a pedophile want anyone to know about what he was doing
especially someone knowing what a big target he was and how people had a tendency to betray him
and why would MJ need one let alone two companies to have kids around when kids like Robson were his fans left and right
and wanted to meet and hung out with him all the time?

MJ would have been the last person who would have needed such organization to get victims, if he had been a pedo.

If he could have Bob Good, Emmanuel Lewis, Jonathan Spence, Sean Lennon, Mark Ronson, Safechuck, Brett Barnes,
Chandler, Frank Cascio, Eddie Cascio, Alfonso Riberio hung out with him without the companies
why on earth would he suddenly need TWO to have Robson around

They also don't ask if MJ silenced all those unknown victims
how come he didn't pay Chandler just 1 million in Aug 1993 if he molested Chandler, Culkin Robson, Francia, Safechuck
Spence?

Too late, I already got a screenshot of it.


Would you post it here? I'd like to use it against the morons.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If the comments section upset you why are you reading it?
No sorry-I meant that I'm upset about the whole Finaldi turn and was just a little shocked at the number. I just flipped some to see if there were any defense ones. I'm doing as Matty said and not reading it all-it's bogged me down for 25? years. I'm trying not to let it bother me. Not yet anyway. It's in tabloids only! I don't want any slinging matches in public either. "Silly" was fine with me. Let them have it in court.

Bingo.....it makes perfect sense that this is one of the best MJ forums, that they would see what the latest news, feedback etc in regards to the case, and adjust their claims etc accordingly. After all they want this to be tried in the public and by social media, to force a settlement or poison a potential jury should this go to trial. That is their end game.
and yes, I have seen some defense posts that look like they were copied and pasted straight from this forum. So sure Finaldi and co. are reading it.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

No sorry-I meant that I'm upset about the whole Finaldi turn and was just a little shocked at the number. I just flipped some to see if there were any defense ones. I'm doing as Matty said and not reading it all-it's bogged me down for 25? years. I'm trying not to let it bother me. Not yet anyway. It's in tabloids only! I don't want any slinging matches in public either. "Silly" was fine with me. Let them have it in court.

and yes, I have seen some defense posts that look like they were copied and pasted straight from this forum. So sure Finaldi and co. are reading it.
There are people defending Mike in those comments. Again, you have to remember that many of the same people post multiple times. That is what they do to everyone.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yahoo have always been horrible to mj. For the last 20 years they always stood out
Yahoo is horrible to everyone. I can not think of anyone who is treated good.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Well, he is one who need to hit back at Yahoo, NYD, British tabs etc.
 
OK, I got the complaint from Ivy that Ivy will later post on her website. I went through it.
Oh, BTW, the complaint was posted by Robson's lawyers themselves accompanied by another press release. So that proves they fully intend to play the media/bad publicity card in order to try to force the Estate into a settlement.

Highlights.

It is a 120 page document. First part argues why they should be allowed to amend their complaint. At least by their complaint the law sems pretty liberal in allowein amendments in complaints - even at late stages of a process. Even during a trial a complaint may be suggested. So if they are right about that the amendment may be allowed, but let's if the Estate disagrees and they have other legal arguments for it.

Andway Robson's lawyers are still bi***ing about the fact the Defense got its way on the issue of Robson's deposition. So they say this.

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Idiotic argument. The Robson deposition's pushing back to October was due to the Estate wanting to have the result of the medical exam. And even if they just weren't prepared, this is a completely different matter here. We are now after demurrer, so Robson's complaint has gone through a demurrer phase and to change means that there would be new allegations added and old old ones taken away and in this form this complaint actually did not go through the demurrer phase. IMO if the Judge allows this the whole thing should start again from the demurrer phase. There are significant changes here.

The main ones are that negligence causes of action had been added. The main argument for duty of care being breached and negligence is the following. They claim MJJP and MJJV, because they organized programs that involved children were organizations that employed people who were mandatory reporters of child abuse by law. In support of that they cite Penal Code section 11165.7 which gives a list of mandatory reporters. These are the specific points they base their claim on that MJJP and MJJV were organizations that employed mandatory reporters:

6) An administrator of a public or private day camp.
(7) An administrator or employee of a public or private youth
center, youth recreation program, or youth organization.
(8) An administrator or employee of a public or private
organization whose duties require direct contact and supervision of
children.

They argue that because MJJC and MJJP organized events that involved children this applied to them. Companies with mandatory reporters are required to inform their employees of their mandatory reporter status in a written form. They claim MJJP and MJJV failed in this obligation (and they say discovery so far supports this) therefore they committed negligence that resulted in Robson's and other children's abuse.

About the control issue: they make totally confusing and contradictory claims about it throughout the complaint.

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Just because the companies had control over some of MJ's businesses and personal affairs (at MJ's orders and instructions since hw was the boss) that doesn't mean they controlled MJ. MJJP/MJJV had no control over MJ and over hiring/firing him, placing him in specific positions or removing him from them. Since he was the president/owner, no they did not have that type of control over him. The "some control over his personal/business affaris" are just control about arranging his stuff - as per MJs own orders. That doesn't help them.

Then they make the confusing claim that MJ's companies are not seperate entities, they are identical to him.

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How does this make any sense?

All through the complaint they keep deliberately using language as if MJJP/MJJV were schools. They call MJ a "teacher" and "mentor". Robson a "student". Even the companies "school" at one point. They try to make them schools and like it is the school and church cases these lawyers mostly tried but no amount of semantics will make two entertainment companies "schools". They also call MJ an "employee" of the companies and claim he was under the companies' supervision. Obviously this is because ot the control issue. For them to establish the companies had control over MJ they have to say MJ was just an employee that the companies could control, hire, fire, supervise, place into certain positions etc.

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LOL, sure the owner and founder of the company is just being "hired" by them like any other employee. Alright.

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They totally pretend like MJ was just this employee that the companies "hired" to "teach" and "mentor" children and they "placed him" into certain positions. No amount of pretending will make it true.

Complete idiocy:

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The next part is them posting the amended complaint. So we are onto that part now. Mostly they repeat the same allegations as we already had in the previous complaints, but now the graphic details of the alleged sexual acts aren't blocked out any more (which is why, I am sure, they are so happy to distribute this document to the tabloid media). There are also some modifications, additions. Eg. they now include the allegations by the usual suspects in their complaint: Quindoy, Blanca Francia, Charlie Michaels, Orietta Murdock.


This too is total idiocy:

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So Robson's mother calls Norma Staikos but it makes Norma the "madame" and "this event was purposely orchestrated by Ms. Staikos, MJJ Productions and MJJ Ventures as a further means for Michael Jackson to acquire another sexual abuse victim and grooming him and his parents for such." How could MJ, MJJP or MJJV "purposefully orchestrate" Robson's mother to call them after two years of not having met them? Through telepathy? Black magic? Or what? Pure, utter lunacy.

Another contradiction that he claims that MJ started losing interest in him sexually when he reached puberty at 13, yet he claims the anal penetration happened at 14, "but while penetration occured, the attempt was unsuccessful" - whatever that means.

They completely changed the narrative on Norma. Before she was portrayed as an employee who might have suspected something, but now she is being portrayed as an active and deliberate enabler of MJ sexually abusing Robson. I wonder if they approached her and she sent them to hell. LOL.

Now look at this:

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So they claim that MJJP/MJJV paid Joy's salary. But according to her own 2005 testimony this is only technically true. In reality she was paid by a cosmetics company that she worked for. And MJ did not start to sponsor them until they were already in the US for six months...

9 Q. Now, when you came here in September, you

10 also went to work for MJJ Productions, correct?

11 A. No.

12 Q. You -- let’s see if I get this right. You

13 had a job in a -- cosmetics?

14 A. Yes.

15 Q. And because you were here on a certain kind

16 of visa, they couldn’t pay you; is that correct?

17 A. They did pay me, but they paid me through

18 Michael Jackson’s company.

19 Q. So your checks were from MJJ Productions?

20 A. Well, that makes it sound like MJJ

21 Productions was paying me. They were not.


22 Q. I just -- the question was, the checks came

23 from MJJ Productions?

24 A. They were diverted through Michael Jackson’s

25 company.

26 Q. In other words, your company would pay them

27 the money, and then Mr. Jackson’s company would pay

28 you the money? 9251

1 A. Yes.


2 Q. Just in all fairness. I’m not trying to

3 trick you.

4 A. Okay.

5 Q. And that arrangement was worked out with the

6 approval and the help of Mr. Jackson, correct?

7 A. I think so. I’m -- I mean, I didn’t speak

8 to him about it.
I spoke to Norma Stakos about it.

9 Q. Do you recall telling and testifying to the

10 fact that what actually happened in September of

11 1991 is that Mr. Jackson was your sponsor when you

12 came to the United States with your son?

13 A. Not initially. We were here for six months

14 and then he offered, he offered to sponsor after we

15 arrived.


BTW, the complaint says Joy was employed as Wade's manager. So wouldn't that give HER a duty of care? And funny how they quote Murdock on Norma allegedly telling her never to leave her son alone with MJ, but they "forget" to quote him on saying that Robson's mother kept calling their office and kept pushing for the green cards every day.

In order to elevate his "credibility" as a victim of child sexual abuse Wade inserts a story of bedwetting (which is typical of abuse victims and of course he would have read about it in the books he was reading about the subject when he prepared his lawsuit). But his story is constructed so that it would also quickly explain why no one ever realized this bedwetting problem. Because MJ cleaned him and dressed him in clean clothes while he was a asleep. How much more contrived a story can be?

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They are so trying to make a square shape fit into a triangle - ie. make MJ look like some regular employee whom the

companies could hire and fire and place him or remove him to/from certain positions. That they keep repeating this mantra

won't magically make it true.

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What sexual abuse had "already occured" that the companies knew about?

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Did they copy&paste this one below from some school case they had? This was not a school and MJ was not an employee. SMH.

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They keep repeating the companies had control over MJ but instead of saying how they just keep pretending he was some regular employee.

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Next:

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They still keep spouting this lie, despite of the fact that Robson has directed several music and dance videos and short films since 2013. BTW, Robson deleted his latest about a music video that he was gonna direct that he posted on his FB the other day. I guess these new lawyers are a bit more conscious about the contradictions between his claims in his complaint and his actual behavior.

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What is it that they don't understand in MJ being the sole owner/founder of these companies and not some employee that his companies could supervise, hire or fire? SMH.

According to them the companies negligently hired MJ - their founder and sole owner. LMAO. This cannot be real life!

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What prior criminal history? Jesus! They make up things as they speak.

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

LOL. They don't have a case. in fact robson is now in a worse position than before.

we can all agree that these lawyers are extortionists, as they are conspiring with the tabloid to shake shown the estate of a wealthy man.

and those previous testimonies by the robsons are very damning, and they can't turn around and say "MJ told us to testify that way". the law does not work like that. plus, MJ isn't here to offer his version of the story.
 
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These tabloid reporters need to quit their jobs and write fiction because they are good at it.

Oh, and those claims from Wade and his lawyers saying MJ and his companies had this organized pedophilia crime ring going like he was some kind of Mafioso is comical. It's ridiculous and doesn't help their case any because they'd have to find some way to prove it. Talk about grasping at straws.
 
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""Two months ago, our firm was asked to become attorneys of record for Mr. Robson."

Robson was getting nervous for not getting settlement money so he decided to change law firm.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

""Two months ago, our firm was asked to become attorneys of record for Mr. Robson."

Robson was getting nervous for not getting settlement money so he decided to change law firm.

I think they have been working for Robson since June, and were behind those hit pieces in Radar, so I think the above statement is :bs as well as those 125 pages of :crazy what a bunch of :censored:
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

"Plaintiff is further informed and believes, and thereon alleges that MJ was the president/owner and a representative/agent of MJJ Productions at all times relevant herein, and that in that capacity, MJJ Productions had the ability to exercise the control over MJ's business and personal affairs."

If I were judge B reading this, I would have my eyes popping out as this is as idiotic as they come.


The whole thing reads like duplicate from their case against school/teacher. Maybe they used the base of that case, but changed the school/teacher name to MJ/companies.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

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If I were judge B reading this, I would have my eyes popping out as this is as idiotic as they come.

That is how my eyes felt reading this "latest version" of Robson shit! :wtf:
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Nothing sinister about MJ's room, everyone stayed there!



And let's not forget it's not that he tried to hide it from the world:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPbezJ7Vb_g


OK, I got the complaint from Ivy that Ivy will later post on her website. I went through it.
Oh, BTW, the complaint was posted by Robson's lawyers themselves accompanied by another press release. So that proves they fully intend to play the media/bad publicity card in order to try to force the Estate into a settlement.


OK where is the "shocking evidence" that these companies ran the most sophisticated public child abuse organization?

"Informed and believes" is enough to win summary judgement?
Don't they have to produce some proof?

did he change the first trip story?
In his original complaint he said he was abused the second night when he was alone
there with his sister. By now he has to know that his sister said she slept in that bed
the second night.
He previously said he slept in a bed with MJ in his condo and was molested there being alone with MJ.
But Francia testified there was no bed in that condo at all only sleeping bags and his mother testified
that she and Chantal slept there too with Wade and MJ.
Did he "correct" those things?
 
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