[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

You need to step back matty we all do. For all the good things about the net one of the bad things is about how it over sizes (is that the right word?) Everything interms of what is going on in the world.sat in a thread you think a certain piece of news is everywhere when infact 99.9% of ppl neither know or care about it
 
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respect77 - I appreciate your posts, the likes of yourself and ivy are an asset to this board. But I worry about you at the same time (sorry if that sounds OTT, but I do). For me, I find this stuff exhausting to follow. So many times in the past I have wanted to punch a hole in the wall out of frustration about the sheer injustice of the media and their disgusting distortion of the facts regarding MJ, but I have learnt to step back from it, for the sake of my own sanity. Maybe you're more resilient or stronger than I am, but I don't know how you do it (I'm not talking about defending Michael, I mean picking apart the never-ending bullshit and getting to the bare bones of a story, which you do so well).

I will always defend Michael, but I just don't have the energy to combat all the bs the way you do. I really don't know how you do it without going mad.

Thank you, but don't worry. Much of my MJ fandom isn't actually made up of being frustrated about the media and the injustice of this modern day lynch mob. Most of it is actually made up of fun. But when injustice happens I have a strong reaction because I have a strong sense of justice, truth and fairness in general - not only about MJ - so injustice, lies, unfairness generally bother me a lot.

Yes, it does seem like a frustrating uphill battle at times, but I don't think the situation is actually as bad as it seems at times of a concentrated media attack like this. We as fans tend to have a tunnel-visioned focus on these things, but in the grand scheme of things there is a small but loud minority made of haters, tabloids and their gullible audience that try to keep up the smear campaign but how successful they are is questionable. I mean it doesn't seem to affect MJ's sales or streaming numbers which to me tells that most people (whether they are vocal about it or choose to stay silent) are able to see through the crap. A huge interest in this smear campaign doesn't even show up in Google. Here are the stats for MJ related searches in the past week. https://www.google.com/trends/explore?date=now 7-d&q=/m/09889g

There isn't a rise when Rosbon's new smear campaign came out (or just a very, very small one) and in fact when you roll down you can see that more searches for MJ were done in connection with Michael Snoddy (Paris' boyfriend) than with Wade Robson. LOL.

Then look at it side by side with Robson: https://www.google.com/trends/explore?date=now 7-d&q=/m/09889g,/m/02_yfd

There is a slight rise on Sept 15 - but that is compared to the general non-interest in him. LOL.

Then look at it for the past 5 years. https://www.google.com/trends/explore?q=/m/09889g,/m/02_yfd

The biggest bump he got was when he first came out with his allegations in May 2013, but that's still pretty small and insignificant. MJ's biggest bump is in May 2014 - when Xscape came out. People are a lot more interested in stuff like that than in Wade Robson.

When we also add Safechuck, he generates even less interest: https://www.google.com/trends/explore?q=/m/09889g,/m/02_yfd,James Safechuck
 
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Why does that article reads like a love letter to Chandlers? LOL. Neither one of them were "stunningly handsome"

Evan Chandler ...handsome???...

Someone pass me a puke bucket please! :puke:


Jordan got his looks from his mother and definitely not his father lol
 
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No surprise re dee dee. After all dimond claimed back in the day that mj was involved in her death because of that note. Nothing new there

BINGO! What have i been telling u guys all along!

DD is involved with this I'm telling ya'll!
 
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@Ivy, have you been in contact with MJ Bliss if they get this new amended complaint from courthouse?
I would love to read it and see what they try to change in it.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Also the story bout Jordan Chandler "breaking down and confessing to Evan"

Lol actually the story was Evan sedated Jordan with something at his dental office and concored jordy to "confess"

So basically If that's what truly happen
Jordy could not have literally "break down" while being sedated ! Lol

Heck when I used sleeping tablets once to make me go to sleep I couldn't even make my eyes open half the time!

So then how would be possible for Jody to just suddenly awake from sedation and "confessing" lol
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

From the school of victor guiterrez. Throwing stones to hide their hands
 
MattyJam;4166175 said:
Yeah, it makes for creepy reading doesn't it? Calling a child of 13 "stunningly handsome" sounds a little pedophilic to me.

Well, like Elusive Moonwalker said it is straight out of the Chandler-VG vocabulary. They did make plenty of references on the "good looks" of Jordan (and Evan) and in very creepy ways. Ray Chandler proudly bragged in the media in the late 90s that Jordan looked "like a male model". Who does that when talking about someone in the context of alleged child molestation? Actress Carrie Fisher in her autobiography wrote about how much Evan creeped her out with his braggings about the "good looks" of his son.

“But remember that dentist who sued Michael for molesting his kid?
Yes, that was my dentist. Evan Chandler, D.D.S. Dentist to the Stars. And this same Dr. Chandler — long before the lawsuit was brought (though not necessarily before it was contemplated) — needed someone to brag to about his son’s burgeoning friendship with Michael Jackson. (This was years before Michael had children of his own.) And so my “dentist” would go on and on about how much his son liked Michael Jackson and, more important, how much Michael Jackson liked his son. And the most disturbing thing I remember him saying was, “You know, my son is very good looking.”
Now I ask you—what father talks about his child that way? Well, maybe some do but (a) I don’t know them, and (b) they probably aren’t raising an eyebrow and looking suggestive when they say it. Over the years I’ve heard many proud fathers tell me, “My son is great,” or “My kid is adorable,” but this was the only time I’d ever heard this particular boast:
“My son [unlike most average male offspring] is VERY [unsettling smile, raised eyebrows, maybe even a lewd wink] good-looking [pause for you to reflect and/or puke].”
It was grotesque! This man was letting me know that he had this valuable thing that he assumed Michael Jackson wanted, and it happened to be his son. But it wasn’t who his son was, it was what he was: “good-looking.” [6]

 
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Thanks respect first time ive read the full quote. Doesnt that tell you everything you need to know. Nothing been planned there *eyeroll*

What was i saying about throwing stones.sounds like evan lived in a glass house
 
Linda Stasi did not break any story.The lies she told inthis story is infuriating. Linda Stasi was in it with the Chandlers and clearly still is. I’m sick of this crap I have had up to here with these people getting a free pass while Michael up until the day he died had to put up with nonsense like this and now his kids do. In the meanwhile they no one says a damn thing about real pedophiles.That bastard Jordan Chandler lives the lifestyles of the rich and famous off blood money while Michael rots in a casket.
 
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Linda Stasi did not break any story.The lies she told inthis story is infuriating. Linda Stasi was in it with the Chandlers and clearly still is. I’m sick of this crap I have had up to here with these people getting a free pass while Michael up until the day he did had to put up with nonsense like this and now his kids do. In the meanwhile they no one says a damn thing about real pedophiles.That bastard Jordan Chandler lives the lifestyles of the rich and famous off blood money while Michael rots in a casket.

yep! she's in it knee deep.. The Chandlers used her and the NY POST/NY Daily News at the time to tell their lies too. I remember her from back in the day appearing on those tabloid shows. Her behind is still working for that crappy newspaper, still doing the same old thing.. :bugeyed It's shameful actually.. Her story is full of lies and she knows it. The Chandlers were proven extortionists and the fact that Evan, Jordan and Ray were trying to hide during the 2005 trial and didn't want any parts of testifying demonstrates to me they are liars and never wanted so called 'justice' but cash. Jordan definitely wanted no parts of a criminal trial because he told the Santa Barbara cops he would file charges against them if they tried to force him to testify. It's blood money for sure, but I just have a feeling that in the end, he will end up just like his daddy. He's living a lie and he knows it.
 
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I think Ray is making jordy shut up for some reason
 
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Jordan is a coward with no morals and no conscience. He has millions of reasons to say nothing. All i hope is he suffers the way his father did as there will be no other justice for ppl like him
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Did anyone google Linda Stasi?
I did, and seemingly she is stupid with poison pen.
 
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Did anyone google Linda Stasi?
I did, and seemingly she is stupid with poison pen.

Did she ever work outside the tabloid press?
Any serious paper or show?
 
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^Always thought Diamond claimed to break the story, not this Stasi woman. Oh well, this is not real media anyway-it's yellow journalism pure and simple. Anyone who starts out that Jackson changed himself into a white woman and use the word freak repeatedly is not to be taken seriously.
 
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Sorry for posting just the link you are right thanks :)(y)
 
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Wade Robson Claims Michael Jackson Ran the 'Most Sophisticated Child Sexual Abuse' Operation in History in New Complaint.





Wade Robson's Fight for Justice: What to Know About Michael Jackson's Alleged Accuser





Just read this and the mention of Wade throwing everything at the wall to see what will stick guess what it will all fall down.

You can read them if you like. I did not want to post the article here. Their just might try use what Latoya said about Michael Wade and his lawyers are trying to pull out all of the stops.

They will lose.. Yahoo should be ashamed of itself for posting this bs... I won't read it. What is the consensus? People would sense know who he is and what he has said about MJ for the past 25 years. Hopefully folks can see right through this money grab.
 
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^ I thought the MJJC policy was either post the article or don't post anything at all. Posting just the link will do exactly what we want to avoid - ie. giving traffic to nonsense like this. The second article already declares in its title that Wade Robson is fighting for "justice" when in reality he is fighting for money (if he really fought for justice his mother would be the first person he would blame not MJ's companies - but of course he cannot sue his mother for that much money), so I am not particularly interested in it after such a biased headline.
 
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Yahoo was my first website on the internet-i used it for both email as well as a news aggregate. Always great news articles culled from AP, UPI, Reuters.
In the last 2 years and especially the last few months it's horrendous. It's 99% tabloid.
 
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Yahoo was my first website on the internet-i used it for both email as well as a news aggregate. Always great news articles culled from AP, UPI, Reuters.
In the last 2 years and especially the last few months it's horrendous. It's 99% tabloid.

And its comment sections are full of racists.
 
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Did she ever work outside the tabloid press?
Any serious paper or show?

http://www.politico.com/media/story/2013/09/news-recruits-longtime-post-tv-critic-linda-stasi-001182

She is also hypocrite
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2009/12/linda_stasi_criticizer_of_friv.html

There is a reason who the writer of this article uses word venomous to describe her. She could be Demon D's twin sister, both poisonous.
 
Mod note : I edited out the links to the articles about Robson. Please copy the content and do NOT provide link back to the such negative articles. We don't want them to get hits.

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Wade Robson Claims Michael Jackson Ran the 'Most Sophisticated Child Sexual Abuse' Operation in History in New Complaint

staff@people.com (Stephanie Petit) September 14, 2016

An alleged victim of Michael Jackson claims the legendary performer operated the "most sophisticated public child sexual abuse procurement and facilitation organization the world has known" in new documents.

According to The Hollywood Reporter, celebrity choreographer Wade Robson made the shocking claims in an amended complaint to his 2013 lawsuit against MJJ Productions, the late musician's entertainment company, and MJJ Ventures.

"MJJ PRODUCTIONS and MJJ VENTURES were held out to the public to be businesses dedicated to creating and distributing multimedia entertainment by MICHAEL JACKSON, however, in fact, they actually served dual purposes," attorney Vince Finaldi said in a complaint filed Friday. "The thinly-veiled, covert second purpose of these businesses was to operate as a child sexual abuse operation, specifically designed to locate, attract, lure and seduce child sexual abuse victims."

Robson, 33, says he first met Jackson when he was 5 years old after winning a competition run by MJJ Productions in his native Australia. Two years later, his family was invited to stay at the King of Pop's Neverland Ranch home in California, where he slept in Jackson's bed and was first sexually abused by him, according to THR.



The choreographer claims the abuse continued for seven years and ended only when he "began showing signs of puberty" and Jackson was "no longer as interested in him sexually."

Robson didn't come forward with his abuse claims until after Jackson's death because he did not believe he was molested until he entered psychotherapy following a nervous breakdown in 2012. He had previously appeared as a witness for Jackson's defense during a separate sexual abuse trial in 2005.

MJJ Productions did not immediately return PEOPLE's request for comment. In 2013, Jackson estate attorney Howard Weitzman dismissed Robson's original complaint as "outrageous and pathetic" in an interview with TMZ. A judge threw the case out of court in May 2015.

Although the singer was acquitted of child molestation charges during a 2005 trial, more abuse claims against Jackson have emerged since his death. In 2014, James Safechuck, then 36, claimed he was sexually abused by the singer when he was 10 years old after appearing in a Pepsi commercial with him.

Robson's trial is scheduled for March 13.

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Wade Robson's Fight for Justice: What to Know About Michael Jackson's Alleged Accuser

staff@people.com (Brianne Tracy) September 14, 2016



In new bombshell court documents, Wade Robson – a celebrity choreographer who's worked with 'NSYNC and Britney Spears – alleges Michael Jackson operated a sophisticated child sex abuse ring.

Going into graphic detail, Robson, 33, claims in an amended complaint obtained by PEOPLE to his 2013 lawsuit against the late musician's entertainment company MJJ Productions and MJJ Ventures that the businesses were operations "specifically designed to locate, attract, lure and seduce child sexual abuse victims." (MJJ Productions has not returned PEOPLE's request for comment.)

Robson claims in the new filings he was sexually abused for seven years by Jackson until he was 14 years old and "began showing signs of puberty."

Though he previously appeared as a witness for Jackson's defense during a separate sexual abuse trial in 2005, Robson came forward with abuse claims when he underwent psychotherapy treatment after suffering a nervous breakdown in 2012. A judge threw his original case out of court in May 2015.

So who exactly is the man accusing the late legend of sexual abuse? Here's what you need to know about the choreographer who got his start as Jackson's young protégé.

1. Michael Jackson discovered him

Robson was a fan of Jackson since birth. His mother used to play Jackson's songs nonstop when she was pregnant with him, and by the age of 4, he knew all of the King of Pop's famous moves. When he was 5, Robson won the national Jackson dance-impersonation contest. The grand prize was a meeting with Jackson, who then invited Robson to perform at his Brisbane concert. Jackson later encouraged his mother to bring Robson to the States, where he later had a stint on Star Search. Jackson cast him in several of his music videos and signed him to his private label. Robson once defended Jackson during a separate trial, saying the singer never behaved inappropriately with him.

2. He set 'NSYNC in motion

Robson created signature moves for the boy band in the '90s and was the man behind their dance routines for their No Strings Attached tour in 2000. Despite not having any formal musical training, Robson also co-wrote four songs with 'NSYNC's leading man, Justin Timberlake, on the band's 2001 album Celebrity. Robson worked with Timberlake on his hit single, "Pop," and even got a chance to fill in for an injured Joey Fatone as his dancing double in the music video.

3. Britney Spears' infamous python moment at the 2001 MTV Video Music Awards? His idea

It's been nearly 15 years since Britney Spears strutted on stage to perform "Slave 4 U" with an albino python around her neck at the VMAs, but the moment still remains iconic. Robson is the one to thank for thinking up the performance that shocked audiences everywhere. Robson got his start with Spears when he was just 16 years old after she hired him to choreograph her first big U.S. tour in 1999. After watching a sampling of Robson's moves, Spears decided to hire the teenager.

But he also allegedly made his way into other parts of Spears' life. Rumor has it he may have been the one responsible for making Timberlake and Spears' relationship go "Bye, Bye, Bye." In 2002, Spears allegedly cheated on Timberlake with Robson. At the time, Robson said reports of him being the cause of the breakup stung, but Timberlake's songs like "Cry Me a River" are said to be written about the duo.

4. He had his own TV show on MTV

Robson once served as the host and executive producer for the eponymously named MTV show, the Wade Robson Project, which aired in 2003. The dance-battle inspired TV show was well-received, but didn't last very long.

5. He was a familiar face on several dancing competition shows

For several seasons, Robson appeared as a choreographer, performer and guest judge on So You Think You Can Dance. He won two Emmy awards for Outstanding Choreography for his routines "Ramalama" and "The Hummingbird and the Flower."

In 2007, Robson choreographed and performed a special performance for Dancing with the Stars.
 
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Did anyone checked People if they have lawsuit as mention one of those articles above
"Going into graphic detail, Robson, 33, claims in an amended complaint obtained by PEOPLE"

I was thinking some of the lawsuit's after Michael's passing, such as Conrat Murray trial, Aeg.
Both, Conrad and KJ's team tried to win their cases in the media,leaking this and that to media, but in the end, the party who kept quiet won their cases in the court and rightfully so. I looks like Wades team are doing the very same, try the case in the media.
 
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^If you notice, yahoo is just using People's article. In fact on the desktop you get kicked out of yahoo and linked directly into people while reading a story. I guess that's how they're making money these days.

And all these racist comments have been fast and furious the last few years-I get attacked all the time there now.
 
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Yahoo have always been horrible to mj. For the last 20 years they always stood out
 
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People mag knows the facts of the case. They also know what Robson has said about MJ for the past 20 or so years. They also are aware of his court room testimony from 2005. They should be ashamed of themselves too.
 
MJJC Mod Squad #2;4166224 said:
Jackson later encouraged his mother to bring Robson to the States

Funny how hard the media is trying to twist it as if MJ wanted them to come to the US when in fact it was Robson's mother who contacted him and begged him for the green cards. Funny how the media is never telling this FACT that the Robsons testified about time and time again in the past. Ironically I just found this today in my old files:

Life in LA, since moving there in September 1991, has been a far cry from their relatively quiet suburban lifestyle in Brisbane and, at times, Joy has been tempted to pack the six bags they took with them and head home, but it was not to be. “Michael told us when we were first considering a move to LA, to `follow our heart’, and it felt right to go,” said Joy. “The first 18 months in LA was really tough going. We had taken six suitcases and little money and knew no-one in LA, only Michael who spent much of the time away. And, we virtually had to start from scratch with Wade’s career because he was unknown, but we persisted and eventually – though difficult – we found a good theatrical and dance agent, and started trying out at auditions.”

http://onwiththeshow.com.au/the-inside-story-on-life-in-michael-jacksons-shadow-1995/

So MJ told them to follow their hearts and do whatever felt right for them regarding the move. Wow, yeah, such a pressure he put on that family to move to LA. And when they do and his "sophisticated child abuse procurement" finally brings its result he spends much of the time away. LOL.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I think it's very clear by now that this lawsuit is an extortion exercise, with robson choosing lawyers who specialize in extorting money from people / organisations.

This is exactly what this is. Wade and his old lawyers could't get any proof that the companies had a reason to know and did nothing about it so now this new lawyer want to claim Michael lure kids and then sexual abuse them come on who is going to believe that.
 
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