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[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^^i was a little shocked that the person interviewing Tavis Smiley on Canadian radio brought up the porn, so I guess it still has some legs. I do think the estate needs to hire a PR firm. Nip this crap in the bud with truth.

I also agree that the verdict itself would have made no difference to me. Since I was trying to stay away from anything and everything salacious, I followed only CBS news and the AP reports. Linda was likely doing a good job but they'd only print parts of her column here. I, in fact, thought they were losing the case and were going to find him guilty. And I cried bitter tears every night over it. Not that I thought he was guilty, but they would find him so bc of the mistreatment thru so many years.

It's only been in the last 8 or 9 years that I've learned the real truth and detail of the trial and the actual evidence, which included 93 since prior bad acts were included. And I've felt vindicated by reading the evidence that I was correct all along.

But I've also run across all the hideous programming that I avoided at the time thru YouTube and I honestly didn't realize it was this horrible at this high a level. And that's why I'm still heartsick over it and feel hurt for Michael every day. I just wish I could have done something/anything about it.
 
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barbee0715 said:
^^i was a little shocked that the person interviewing Tavis Smiley on Canadian radio brought up the porn, so I guess it still has some legs. I do think the estate needs to hire a PR firm. Nip this crap in the bud with truth.

I also agree that the verdict itself would have made no difference to me. Since I was trying to stay away from anything and everything salacious, I followed only CBS news and the AP reports. Linda was likely doing a good job but they'd only print parts of her column here. I, in fact, thought they were losing the case and were going to find him guilty. And I cried bitter tears every night over it. Not that I thought he was guilty, but they would find him so bc of the mistreatment thru so many years.

It's only been in the last 8 or 9 years that I've learned the real truth and detail of the trial and the actual evidence, which included 93 since prior bad acts were included. And I've felt vindicated by reading the evidence that I was correct all along.

But I've also run across all the hideous programming that I avoided at the time thru YouTube and I honestly didn't realize it was this horrible at this high a level. And that's why I'm still heartsick over it and feel hurt for Michael every day. I just wish I could have done something/anything about it.
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If anyone is going to still talk about it, I would prefer it be about the adult porn. In truth, majority of men either OWN porn or seen porn. so that only shows MJ had wht most men had or seen. Believe me, Tavis and if the Canadian interviewer was a man, you can believe they have or seen the same thing MJ seen in some form.
 
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terrell said:
If anyone is going to still talk about it, I would prefer it be about the adult porn. In truth, majority of men either OWN porn or seen porn. so that only shows MJ had wht most men had or seen. Believe me, Tavis and if the Canadian interviewer was a man, you can believe they have or seen the same thing MJ seen in some form.
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You are most likely right. Since I'm a woman, I admit I usually don't see any porn.
No unfortunately this reporter was a woman and she specifically asked about the "recent story about the porn being used to groom children. ". So it's from that radar story. :(. Tavis gave her an ok answer about everything he had was presented in court and there was nothing illegal.
 
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There was nothing illegal". And that is good he told the truth and any reasonable person who cares about the truth will hear it and listen. Only are hater or moron will dismiss it.
 
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barbee0715 said:
You are most likely right. Since I'm a woman, I admit I usually don't see any porn.
No unfortunately this reporter was a woman and she specifically asked about the "recent story about the porn being used to groom children. ". So it's from that radar story. :(. Tavis gave her an ok answer about everything he had was presented in court and there was nothing illegal.
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That the porn was used to groom children was simply a prosecution theory, not a fact. People do not seem to be able to tell the difference between facts and prosecution theories. The stupidity of that is so frustrating. In the police report they only wrote "based on my training" such and such material "can be" used to groom children. They didn't even state it as a fact, but as a possibility. It was a standard text just to give a reason why they confiscated perfectly legal material. Yet, the media presents it as if it was a proven fact that he groomed children with porn.

It was never proven. The prosecution theorized it simply because that's all they had. Legal art books and legal heterosexual porn. MJ's taste in porn actually flies in the face of him being a molester of 12-14 year old boys when his sexual interest were women. So the prosecution had to give an alternative explanation for the kind of porn he had and that he used it for grooming is what they came up with to explain it away. But it doesn't make sense. The Arvizo boys' own grooming story doesn't make any sense (I wrote about that earlier in this thread). The grooming theory was simply a desperate move by the prosecution to try to criminalize the perfectly legal material that they found in his possession and also to explain away what seemed to be the sexual interest of a heterosexual man which flies in the face of him being the molester of 12-14 year old boys.
 
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Ovet 50's and plumpers is defo gonna work on a teenage boy! doesnt matter that one of the mags that s***head claimed mj showed him was dated after the last time her ever saw mj.a blatent lie
 
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respect77 said:
What reason would you have not to listen to him if you believe in his innocence? Wrong verdicts can happen. A lot depends on what kind of jury a case has, how smart they are, how good job a defendant's lawyer is doing etc. (You can ruin even a good case. Brian Oxman, for example was heading in that direction with his foolishness of trying to make it a race issue etc.) The jury system is vulnerable. People can get wrongly convicted. It happens. That doesn't change a thing about the fact they are innocent if they are innocent. So how does a verdict in itself influence you if otherwise you are convinced of someone's innocence based on everything that you know about a case? In fact, that's exactly the situation when a person would need support and not abandonment by those who believe in his innocence.

Just like I find it a bad argument when fans says "he was innocent because he was acquitted", this one is a weird thing to say as well IMO. It's not the verdict why I believe in MJ's innocence. The verdict in itself doesn't influence me one bit in what I think of the case. It is only the facts of the case that influence me. It is because I researched the case thoroughly why I believe in his innocence, not because 12 other people thought so too.
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Because the innocence and the purity of it all would have been robbed out from under me, regardless.

I want to be clear that I was talking about listening to Michael's music after a guilty verdict, only. My belief and opinion of his innocence would not have changed dependent on the verdict. I had thought that would be clear.
 
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respect77 said:
That the porn was used to groom children was simply a prosecution theory, not a fact. People do not seem to be able to tell the difference between facts and prosecution theories. The stupidity of that is so frustrating. In the police report they only wrote "based on my training" such and such material "can be" used to groom children. They didn't even state it as a fact, but as a possibility. It was a standard text just to give a reason why they confiscated perfectly legal material. Yet, the media presents it as if it was a proven fact that he groomed children with porn.
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Exactly. And that was my point here-I could hear the disgust in her voice as she brought it up and could tell she got it from the Radar story only-not the actual trial -why the Estate needs to hire a PR firm if only to get fact out there.
Tavis didn't sound that knowledgeable except he quoted a statement Tom made last week. He also said Michael's fans didn't trust Sneddon and don't now, which is true, but makes one immediately think of crazy fans.
I personally would have preferred if he had just given a straight forward answer like respect just did.
I know he wasn't there to debate the allegations, but he should have expected it. At least he said "I wasn't in Michael's bedroom" only once. :(
 
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^ I never put much hope in this Tavis guy anyway. Isn't he someone who was on the MJ-bash bandwagon in 2005?

He was supposedly close to Prince why doesn't he write a book about him? That might be more informative and less speculative.
 
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respect77 said:
^ I never put much hope in this Tavis guy anyway. Isn't he someone who was on the MJ-bash bandwagon in 2005?

He was supposedly close to Prince why doesn't he write a book about him? That might be more informative and less speculative.
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That's what I've heard. Personally I didn't discover him or his show until 2009. It wouldn't surprise me.

He talked a bit about his conversation with Prince after Michael's death that lasted til the sun came up. Now, that would have been interesting to read.
 
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Yeah a big fat hater back in the day.
 
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But to hear him tell it, he has been a lifelong fan. SMH.
 
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ivy said:
you don't? how about suing the estate for tens of millions of dollars as a reason?
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Exactly how would saying that MJ hated Branca and Weitzman help her win the case?
That's not a legal argument and does not make her claim valid. Nobody would say oh MJ hated them therefore you deserve money.

respect77 said:
That 2002 Will is MJ's last known Will. It does not get invalid just because MJ fired Branca. The two have nothing to do with each other.
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Branca was fired because MJ didn't trust him anymore. He believed he conspired with Mottola. He wanted Legrand to investigate him
and then fired him. Why would he want someone like that to run his Estate?
The judge ruled it's valid that does not mean it is. Why did Branca have that will at all after he was fired? Shouldn't he have returned it after he was fired?
As far as I know MJ had no dealings with Branca at all after 2003. That note does not prove they in fact reconnected. Is there any evidence they actually communicated and if so what came out of it? Did anyone see them together after 2003?
And why on Earth would he trust Weitzman after what he said on TV in 2005? The dude was a disgrace.
I was not speculating about any later will at all. I asked whether there is any cause I just don't know about any.

In any case even if Branca had got the Estate legally that does not change the fact that he and Weitzman don't give a **** about
MJ's reputation and there is no excuse for that. They are pathetic and disgusting as they use the Estate to make money for themselves while they won't even refute the media's garbage with the most obvious facts of MJ's innocence.
 
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respect77 said:
^ I never put much hope in this Tavis guy anyway. Isn't he someone who was on the MJ-bash bandwagon in 2005?

He was supposedly close to Prince why doesn't he write a book about him? That might be more informative and less speculative.
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He said that in 2009 he personally called Katherine Jackson, so that he could get tickets for This Is It. If the 2005 MJ bashing was true, then he had some nerve to ask MJ's mother for This Is It tickets, after what he (maybe) said in 2005.
 
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redfrog said:
Exactly how would saying that MJ hated Branca and Weitzman help her win the case?
That's not a legal argument and does not make her claim valid. Nobody would say oh MJ hated them therefore you deserve money.
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you need to follow the case to make informed comments. Branca filed a probate motion against her claims. she argued he cannot bring those claims by arguing the validity of the will. So you see questioning the validity of the will and badmouting branca is actually beneficial to her multi mullion dollar lawsuit.

In 2009 she went on an talk show and said he asked MJ twice if he needed a new will and he said to her he has a will that he is happy with. Now she is suing Estate aka Branca for tens of millions and suddenly questions the validity of the will and the executors.

Don't be this naive.

and kindly calm down and end this irrelevant side topic or at least clean up your language/tone.
 
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Hey guys, I just found a video which features a leaked phone call including MJ speaking about Madonna, and here is a quote from it:

"You know, at the time I was with Madonna, she was into all these books. All over, a whole collec -- like a library of books of women who were tied to walls... She said, 'I love spanky books'. Why would I wanna see that, right? ...I think she likes shock value."
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So clearly from this we can assume MJ wasn't into the kind of BDSM-esque type porn that the media said was included in the so-called 'porn collection'. Maybe this isn't a huge deal but I think it's always good to find some concise evidence to point out the lies, especially the more vague ones (Michael could've possessed such pornography and that too would've been legal and normal)... but was obviously a LIE to add to the image of depravity they were trying to create.

Video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm3imwQqjzQ
 
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I've never heard him MJ bash?!? and he's done a lot of MJ related interviews etc throughout the years.. he always seamed like an MJ fan to me
 
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There are two spanish sites now stating that Macaulay Culkin held a press conference to announce that Michael molested him. These sites have supposed quotes from Mac.

I hope this story doesn't start making rounds too.
 
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Rhilo said:
There are two spanish sites now stating that Macaulay Culkin held a press conference to announce that Michael molested him. These sites have supposed quotes from Mac.

I hope this story doesn't start making rounds too.
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Are you serious?? Is this press conference supposed to be recent?
 
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No date of the conference no place no context , out of the blue he called for a conference that no one seems to have attended and made that announcement that no one seems to know about but obscure Spanish websites. The quotes are about mj threatening to kill his parents if he talked lol the parents he hated so much by the way lol
 
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barbee0715 said:
Are you serious?? Is this press conference supposed to be recent?
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I don't want to post the links, but if you google Michael Jackson news, you'll find this somewhere at the mid to end section of the page.

I think it's made up. If Mac did hold a press conference to make such an announcement, you'd think English media would be all over it.

Of course the top Michael news story right now relates to his son, Prince :)
 
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Rhilo said:
I don't want to post the links, but if you google Michael Jackson news, you'll find this somewhere at the mid to end section of the page.

I think it's made up. If Mac did hold a press conference to make such an announcement, you'd think English media would be all over it.

Of course the top Michael news story right now relates to his son, Prince :)
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ok thanks. It's about midnight here and a lot of times they announce things overseas in the middle of the night. I'll admit, my heart flipped for a sec.
All I've seen all day and night is dragging Prince.
 
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It seems to come from (obscure) South American and Central American websites (Columbia, Panama). I wonder if Victor Gutierrez's hand is in it.

Like said, it is not realistic. Even if he had made an announcement overseas such an announcmenet would be all over the news, not just obscure Spanish speaking gossip websites.

Here is a Google translate of some Panaman/Columbian gossip website.

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It's stupid and obviously made-up.

No place and time is given as to where this press conference supposedly happened. They claim the international media reported it, but the international media doesn't report any such thing. Only obscure Spanish language gossip webistes.
They claim the FBI brought to light "several evidences accusing the singer with violation of children and women". But the FBI hasn't done any such thing. I guess they refer to the tabloid nonsense of the past week but since when are tabloids=FBI?


In the international media the latest news about Mac are about him being in a commercial:http://www.ew.com/article/2016/07/08/macaulay-culkin-commercial-meerkats
 
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The Mac thing is a load of hogwash! :toofunny:

Trust me if that were true it would've been all over tv, radio , major and I mean major internet news sites which it hasn't. Sounds like to me wade &.Co are grasping at straws and are doing anything they can do now cuz they know people are don't believe them
 
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Didn't Macaulay talk about Michael two weeks ago? Don't believe these websites, if it was real we would have heard it in other places too.
 
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respect77 said:
It seems to come from (obscure) South American and Central American websites (Columbia, Panama). I wonder if Victor Gutierrez's hand is in it.

Like said, it is not realistic. Even if he had made an announcement overseas such an announcmenet would be all over the news, not just obscure Spanish speaking gossip websites.

Here is a Google translate of some Panaman/Columbian gossip website.

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It's stupid and obviously made-up.

No place and time is given as to where this press conference supposedly happened. They claim the international media reported it, but the international media doesn't report any such thing. Only obscure Spanish language gossip webistes.
They claim the FBI brought to light "several evidences accusing the singer with violation of children and women". But the FBI hasn't done any such thing. I guess they refer to the tabloid nonsense of the past week but since when are tabloids=FBI?


In the international media the latest news about Mac are about him being in a commercial:http://www.ew.com/article/2016/07/08/macaulay-culkin-commercial-meerkats
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Saw that advert last night.the meerkats are iconic in the uk lol.
 
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respect77 said:
Great article by Raven Woods in Huffington Post (now this is something to give clicks to): http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...nd-thenor-now-the_us_577fdfbce4b0f06648f4a3f8
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I wish there was a program that automatically gives tons of clicks to that post.
Excellent job from Raven:clapping:

I was wondering if she gets into troubles now because in the post, she names Wade and his legal team as possible culprits who are behind of this tabloid rubbish?



Yes, people give plenty of click, re-tweet and share link to this article.
 
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I read that story about Mac about a week ago, but knowing the media would've been all over it if he'd really made such statements, I figured he never did. There's a new article now that debunks the story, here's a translation of it:

"The truth behind the harsh accusations against Michael Jackson by Macaulay Culkin: a horrific montage

Strong statements about their relationship to Macaulay Culkin and Michael Jackson came to light recently. The alleged confession of the actor has been around for all social networks, showing a very wicked King of Pop side. But is this true, or was based on false sources information and authorities who want to tarnish the image of Jackson?

The supposedly "official" statements had major charges:

"Michael and I were great friends, he loved me and I also got to love him, I told stories and was a sort of guide for me. I was very young and famous, for my normal life was not an option and friendship helped me deal with my problems. But after several months he was completely transformed his attitude was that of a sick and began to threaten me, repeatedly said he would kill my parents if I said something. Michael abused me many times, even once, in my parents' house while they slept. So I fell into drugs."

This was linked to the recent allegations and evidence revealed police in Jackson's home, before which his own daughter to come to defend him. But reports have been very confusing, and after having spread the latter information, which blames the pop singer to be the "destroyer" Culkin's career since their abuses "have taken his drug addiction."

But this is completely false.

One of the "media" has confirmed the grisly version is Ok News, who through an edited video, misrepresented the testimony and have released the always dubious "truth" Culkin. It has now been confirmed that the above said is not true, or at least the child actor has not made such statements in the media formally.
An unfortunate situation that such situations shared with suspicious data, leading them to a version of the story, which turned out - for many, a relief - not real."
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http://www.elciudadano.cl/2016/07/0...&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=socialnetwork
 
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^ The media is so trying hard to destroy MJ. SMH.

The last time Mac really said something about MJ was a couple of weeks ago when he praised him in an interview he had given to a French newspaper.

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"Having - as he - experienced the disorienting status of child star , Michael Jackson was one of the few near Macaulay able to guide it in the Hollywood jungle. Their relationship was profound and the actor does not hide his emotion when he speaks of his "friend" , who died tragically in 2009. " This is one of the most important people of my life , says he . He was my best friend. We were interrelated because he knew what I endured . Stress, abuse, oppressive family. He was always present and understanding. "
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http://www.voici.fr/news-people/act...-macaulay-culkin-se-livre-comme-jamais-596512
 
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