[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Geraldo Rivera didn't think he was guilty either and he's tabloid. Or was deemed it at one time. He was that positive MJ would be found innocent he said he'd shave his moustache off if he wasn't. Now that doesn't sound like much, but he said he hadn't shaved it for something like 20 plus years!
Exactly. He helped changed Bill Oreilly mind as well who ticked me off when he called MJ a "pervert when Mike was arrested (then Bill Oreilly had his own dirt to come out two months later with a woman accusing him). Geraldo us to think Mike was guilty until he got into the case and show everything for himself.
 
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Bad7, Great. Another good example of people who want to judge MJ. They have dirt and have done scum bags things. When that tabloid reporter talks, you should keep bring up the lie he told on those fans to show him you all know what he is all about.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Geraldo got alot of info from the defence team. Gotta keep your sources sweet. Like with topicano was it who gave info to another tv reporter
 
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Bad7, Great. Another good example of people who want to judge MJ. They have dirt and have done scum bags things. When that tabloid reporter talks, you should keep bring up the lie he told on those fans to show him you all know what he is all about.

I can think of another. Jan Moir of The Daily Fail. I discovered she mentioned the recent lies said about MJ in her column.

Jan Moir's past:

In October 2009, Moir wrote an article criticising aspects of the life and death of Boyzone (Irish boy band) singer Stephen Gately in the context of same-sex civil partnerships, and attempting to link his death to his sexuality, which she and the Daily Mail chose to publish six days after the singer's death and before his funeral. The article provoked much criticism, with Guardian columnist Charlie Brooker, for example, describing her article as "a gratuitous piece of gay-bashing" and urging readers to contact the Press Complaints Commission, albeit somewhat ironically. After receiving a record number of complaints, the PCC announced that it would investigate. Moir wrote an article in the newspaper a week later entitled "The truth about my views on the tragic death of Stephen Gately". On 6 November 2009, Moir was awarded the Stonewall Bigot of the Year Award jointly with Father John Owen.

On 17 February 2010, the Press Complaints Commission, whose chairman is the editor of the Daily Mail, confirmed that although it was "uncomfortable with the tenor of the columnist's remarks", it would not uphold the complaints made. The Crown Prosecution Service also concluded that there was insufficient evidence that the article had breached the law. In an interview on the BBC Radio's Today programme, PCC chairwoman Baroness Buscombe said the commission found the article "in many areas extremely distasteful" but that the Daily Mail had escaped censure because it "just failed to cross the line"

Other famous people criticised her also.

I'm not speaking about all journalists, but most of them are just a disgrace. Like MJ said 'Tired of you tellin' the story your way.
It's causin' confusion, you think it's okay.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^^I just have to ask. Does anybody cross the line with the PCC?
 
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^^I just have to ask. Does anybody cross the line with the PCC?

I'm really not sure. They've been accused of incompetence. They did very little in the way of The News Of The World phone hacking scandal which was huge here. That newspaper, which became defunct due to that scandal, hacked the phones of famous people. Most sickeningly they hacked a girl called Milly Dowler's phone after her death. She went missing and unfortunately was found to of been murdered. They were accused of deleting messages which gave the family false hope. It was this particular hacking that was the major decision in the newspaper ending.

Yet another corrupt police force as well.

In January 2012, it was revealed that Surrey Police and other police forces knew soon after Dowler's death that News of the World staff had accessed her mobile phone messages, but did not take issue with this. Instead a senior Surrey officer invited staff to a meeting to discuss the case

However, The News Of The World was the sister paper on a Sunday to The Sun. Not long after The Sun began to be printed on a Sunday. Basically, The News Of The World lived on in a sense.

These media sources have a heck of a lot of skeletons in their closets. Really, they can judge nobody.
 
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I can think of another. Jan Moir of The Daily Fail. I discovered she mentioned the recent lies said about MJ in her column.

Jan Moir's past:

Most of these rags are racist and homophobic. Their main target group are stupid bigots, like Kelvin MacKenzie pointed out in his infamous quote.

You just don't understand the readers, do you, eh? He's the bloke you see in the pub, a right old fascist, wants to send the wogs back, buy his poxy council house, he's afraid of the unions, afraid of the Russians, hates the queers and the weirdos and drug dealers. He doesn't want to hear about that stuff (serious news).[SUP][6][/SUP]


So no wonder if they STILL publish such articles from time to time, although of course most of the time they have to keep their racism/homphobia more subtle now, but it is still there a lot of times and not just in Moir's articles.


^^I just have to ask. Does anybody cross the line with the PCC?

That board is created by the papers themselves, so of course they are biased for the papers.
 
https://stevetopple.wordpress.com/2016/05/05/kelvin/ Mackenzie judging anybody is just ironic beyond words.

I hated him before, but I didn't realise he did all this. A lot is before my time, unfortunately.

In 1990, Mackenzie was again before the Press Council accused of publishing a picture of a murdered journalist, David Blundy. The picture was of the deceased lying on a mortuary table, was instantly recognisable and had caused a great deal of distress to his family. Mackenzie callously dismissed their concerns, claiming that “The atrocity was the murder, not the photograph.”

The biggest irony of it all, relating to his nonsense about MJ...

Also in 1982 Mackenzie signed up the sixteen year old Samantha Fox for ‘page 3.’ Such was Fox’s age (16) her parents had to sign a disclaimer to allow Mackenzie and The Sun to print pictures of her bare breasts.

The twisted irony of Kelvin Mackenzie, wanting to publish pictures of naked children when he labels anyone that doesn’t share his sexual worldview as “perverts”, is there for all to see.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

PPC is self regulated totally pointless They tried to change it after all the phone hacking but because the prime minister has rupert murdochs hand up his arse and is friends with scum like rebecca brookes the goverment refused to implement the suggestions made by the inquiry that was set up
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Geraldo got alot of info from the defence team. Gotta keep your sources sweet. Like with topicano was it who gave info to another tv reporter

Joe Tapicano represented Frank Tyson,
one of the alleged "co-conspirators" at that time. LOL!
He couldn't rep Vinnie Amen cos it was conflit of interest.
Mike Tabbi, Dawn Hobbs,
Rita Cosby covered the case more objectively.
Sources coming out by Associated Press, where Linda Deutch was reporting
were deemed credible
and allowed to be posted on MJJ Forum.
She would rebutt Dimond with facts.
Where other reporters merely do a cut and paste job,
she actually researched hers.
We the fans and Mez held her in high regard for her journalistic intergrity

 
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Yes, Linda Deutsch is a journalist with ethics and integrity. Unfortunately more and more rare these days.

I am glad she received a Lifetime Achievement Award last year.

 
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Thanks christy.

I remember mj rang linda after to thank her for doing a proper job
 
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This thread is just awesome.
 
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Joe Tapicano represented Frank Tyson,
one of the alleged "co-conspirators" at that time. LOL!
He couldn't rep Vinnie Amen cos it was conflit of interest.
Mike Tabbi, Dawn Hobbs,
Rita Cosby covered the case more objectively.
Sources coming out by Associated Press, where Linda Deutch was reporting
were deemed credible
and allowed to be posted on MJJ Forum.
She would rebutt Dimond with facts.
Where other reporters merely do a cut and paste job,
she actually researched hers.
We the fans and Mez held her in high regard for her journalistic intergrity

I think Savannah Guthie (she I now on the today show) did a fair job as well.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Edit:

Fake page for Wade with bad joke. Eww.

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Just saw this on Wade's page. WTF?!

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I think that's fake. It only has one post. It's not the account with his friends and family added either. Nick Elchers isn't a friend on his official page.
 
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I noticed there was only 7 friends on that profile. Wouldn't surprise me if it's fake. Still a pretty tasteless joke :/
 
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This would be the real one, over 700 friends including Chantal, Joy and Amanda.

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I noticed there was only 7 friends on that profile. Wouldn't surprise me if it's fake. Still a pretty tasteless joke :/

Indeed. Although Jordan King appears to of seen the funny side... for some reason.

This would be the real one, over 700 friends including Chantal, Joy and Amanda.

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Yes, that's his one. He doesn't update much except to advertise his videos.
 
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His videos don't get that many likes compared to how many people he has on his list.
 
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His videos don't get that many likes compared to how many people he has on his list.

Maybe the 'Wade Robson supporters' group could boost his likes by buying some from an Egyptian company... like they did for their Facebook page.
 
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In the early days I saw them getting more people to join their group by saying that someone would win a Playstation. Ugh.
 
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In the early days I saw them getting more people to join their group by saying that someone would win a Playstation. Ugh.

I think I vaguely remember that. As if that's what a support network for abuse victims should be about. I take it they never gave one away, if you know?
 
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I think I vaguely remember that. As if that's what a support network for abuse victims should be about. I take it they never gave one away, if you know?

Yeah, it's a pretty cheap and tacky way to gain followers. I didn't stick around to find out if they ever delivered on their promise.
 
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I always wondered whether the police took advantage of being all alone in that house.
They could take anything and put them anywhere they wanted.
The picture they painted that porn magazines were all over the place in MJ's bedroom just didn't make sense.
If that was the case how come McManus and Francia never reported finding such magazines? They cleaned his
room for years. And how come no kid or adult ever claimed that they accidentally found a magazine somewhere
in that bedroom complex?
I'm pretty sure as desperate they were to find anything incriminating against MJ it was the police which
put certain magazines in certain places. Not even the Arvizos claimed that they accidentally found one
in drawer or nigthstand or under the bed. MJ most likely kept those magazines in one place,
a suitcase and in his closet and that was it.
it also didn't make much sense since the raid took place in Nov and the Arvizos left in March so even if all those mags
had been all over the place how does that prove the situation was the same in March or at any other time?

I also noticed that Sneddon claimed in court that the book Cronos was in MJ's bedroom. But the police document
says they found it in the upstairs library room of the video/arcade area. So clearly Sneddon tried to fabricate
evidence by placing these books in more "incriminating" locations.
And I bet they did the same with the two nude boys books too. I makes no sense that MJ would put those books
in that file cabinet then give the key to Blanca Francia or anyone for that matter.

The police report states that Room to play was found in the downstairs cellar area of the video/arcade area.
But during the trial Janet Williams testified that she sized Room to play in the downstairs area of Mj's bedroom suite.
Did they find this book twice? If so that pretty much proves MJ didn't even know he had it.
 
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I also noticed that Sneddon claimed in court that the book Cronos was in MJ's bedroom. But the police document
says they found it in the upstairs library room of the video/arcade area. So clearly Sneddon tried to fabricate
evidence by placing these books in more "incriminating" locations.

He did. He also claimed that the nudist magazines were found among his porn at the base of his bed. Sneddon claimed that in that motions haters so love to parade around and also in his opening statement.

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However, the officer who actually found the nudist magazines, Janet Williams, testified on April 19, 2005 that she found the nudist magazines in the downstairs portion of MJ's bedroom in one of those boxes that contained a lot of art books. Not among porn and not upstairs at the base of MJ's bed.

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The police report states that Room to play was found in the downstairs cellar area of the video/arcade area.
But during the trial Janet Williams testified that she sized Room to play in the downstairs area of Mj's bedroom suite.
Did they find this book twice? If so that pretty much proves MJ didn't even know he had it.

There were two copies of Room to Play found.
 
respect77;4155075 said:
There were two copies of Room to Play found.

Oh this proves he wanted to look at "sexualized" children both in his room and in his arcade. I wonder how he could live without that book while he was in the kitchen.


respect77;4152617 said:
I noticed another manipulation in this document. On page 7, there are pics from a book by Larry Clark: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Clark

Problem is a book by Larry Clark was NOT found in MJ's possession.
PS: Never mind. It seems the book contains pics by many photographers, including clark.

They took the Larry Cark photos from this website!
http://www.itsnicethat.com/articles/isabella-burley

It's in a Larry Clark book not in the Fourth Sex. MJ did not own those pictures. Just more lies by Radar
and Daily Fail copy pasted it.

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Ironically Fourth Sex is one of Isabella Burley's favorites. I guess she is a pervert too.

There was also a picture form Christiane Meyer-Stoll's book , MJ didn't own that either.
Daily Fail wrote about that picture:
“Some of the images were so graphic in Jackson’s collection that they had to be entirely blacked out (above)”

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Then there is this:
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Original, a man and a woman. OMG child porn!
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^ Great find. So 90% of the pics that Radar Online posted were NOT from the books MJ owned. Wow.

I wonder if those picture pages were added by Radar or by the Robson/Safechuck team.

ETA: What I think happened is that they googled “Fourth Sex: The Adolescent Extremes”. The search probably came up with pictures leading to Isabella Burley’s article (because Fourth Sex was mentioned in it) and they just took all the pictures (but especially the most graphic ones) from that website, regardless if they were in Fourth Sex or the other books mentioned on that website. (And the most graphic ones were in other books, not Fourth Sex.)

In fact, I just gave it a try. I googled Fourth Sex: The Adolescent Extremes with the image google. Already in the third row it comes up with links to Burley’s article and there are more links to it on the fourth row, sixth row and further down.


Despite of that, I do not think this was an honest mistake. Not, accompanied with those extremely vile, malcious and manipulative articles. This was deliberate. They were too happy to run with those other pictures that they found on that website.

And if it was a mistake they should not have just silently removed the pics from the docs, but should have apologized for the misinformation. But they did not. They are all too happy to leave the myth that they created out there.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

All this just to get money now if the ppls can't see that Wade has some loose screws up there then they have a problem this is not normal.

This prove it we have some very sick ppls in this world ppls just do not care and this is what they want to believe instead of the truth it just plain sick. Wade/James and they lawyers need to be lock up this case need to be dismiss now. This is just to much.
 
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